Obama: So Far So Good

Well, the Obama presidency is only a few days old and it's been pretty good...so far. Yes, there will be disappointments and bad policy in the coming months (from my POV at least) but in these first few days, Obama has made or is starting to make good on some good campaign promises...and that's always a good thing.

As a libertarian, I don't get much to cheer about regardless of which party is in power so seeing little battles being won in a long, daunting and bleak war is the best I can hope for.

 

I was listening to Political Talk Radio on a long car ride this morning for the first time in..well...as long as I can remember. Granted, I realized pretty quickly that I don't miss it but it was nonetheless worth a little of my time...in retrospect. "Brian and the Judge" is a program on Fox Radio that is at least tolerable, in my opinion because "The Judge" Napolitano...a libertarian of sorts when it comes honoring the spirit of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution...is an uncompromising non-partisan champion of civil liberties and the rule of law. (that show, however, is followed by John Gibson, at which point it is clearly time to put on music. ;))So, when hot topics like Obama's moves on Gitmo come up, it can be very, very entertaining to listen to him take on Brian and 99% of the phone callers. You can easily imagine how that went over. You go, Judge.

 

Then, I happened across this post by the always-interesting Will Wilkinson who linked a post by equally content Radley Balko of Reason and his own blog "The Agitator". Both seem to share my contentment in how the first few days have gone. See link for the list of quick steps in the direction that Obama has taken.

As I had said several times during the campaign, an Obama Presidency seemed preferable to me over a McCain Presidency...and these types of actions are why. Obama can make these changes with the stroke of a pen and with little to stop him. These are matters that the president can take by the horns and make changes...virtually single-handedly. Yes, there will be many matters where I will wish Obama would think differently but most of those matters are standard fare issues in which Congressional deliberation will keep any one man from exerting his will.

Moreover, I still hold fast on my opinion that Obama will enrage his most strident far-left supporters and leave them disillusioned on some matters of economic policy. I have seen it happen already on many hyper-liberal blogs. May it continue! Obama is not Boxer, B. Sanders or Kucinich on economics...he is much closer to Bill Clinton...for better and for worse...better in some ways and perhaps less so in others but still more in that direction. Obama may have easily won the far-left vote but he won't be doing their will on many matters of economic policy. Thank God. I think he'll do just enough to keep both main camps somewhat grumblingly encouraged yet frustrated and unfulfilled...if they can figure it out from his smooth-talk rhetoric.

May more quiet executive victories keep coming.

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I think some on the far left

I think some on the far left were already unhappy about Obama. My history professor last year was quite unappy about the choice when it was down to Hillary and Obama in the Dem camp ( maybe still Edwards somewhat), he thought all the canidates were bought and paid for, and warned the students that all the empty promises about hope... had been made before by previous canidates. When I jokingly said that agreed with him about being against Obama, because he was too liberal, he said you don't know what a liberal is. So the far left was already unhappy with Obama. That said, I would think Obama would make the center left pretty happy, he doesn't really have anythhing to stop him, and I certainly don't think he's a centrist.

My professor, BTW is not an American citizen he's German immigrant.

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However,

President Obama left the living wage out of the stimulus package that he's announcing, and it seems that it's being allocated to businesses and not the regular people who need jobs with helping to rebuild the nation's infrastructure.  People need a decent wage to survive on, and it was not provided for in this package.

Also, and here's another thing that people aren't going to like, but I'll say it anyhow;  There are two big reasons that President Obama was elected POTUS:

A)  He's half white

B)  He has continued to effectively skirt the whole issue of  racism, race and the problems of high crime rates, which frequently result in high incarceration rates among young males in American ghettoes, and the fact that racism is still alive and kickin' here in the United States, which it will be for a long time.

I also might add that those two reasons combined enabled many people  not to think of Barack Obama as a  black man, and therefore get him elected POTUS.   That being said, had President Obama talked frankly about the problems of race and racism in this country, and the problems resulting, at least in part, from racism, or it weren't for the fact that President Obama is half white, he wouldn't have stood a ghost of a chance of being elected.  I think the fact that President Obama managed to run a campaign on hope by skirting important issues, in addition to beginning to send troops to Afghanistan indicates ONE thing:  He's a hypocrite and a phony, which I knew pretty much the whole time. 

 

 

 

 

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He's right

Dennis Kucinich is a liberal.

Obama is a centrist.  Always has been.  Always will be.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Kucinich is a leprachaun

short, funny looking, and amazing luck (have you seen his statuesque redhead tongue pierced wife?  Mamamia)

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Obama, centrist?

How so?

He certainly has not "always" been one.

How does a centrist obtain if not the, one of the, most liberal voting records amongst their colleagues?

How does someone with such a high rating from the liberal orgs be termed a centrist?

I'm afraid this is just wishful thinking on your part Stiney.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Another sports analogy.

If one thinks Obama is a leftist, then they just might think the 6'9" Sam Perkins was a short NBA player, because he was short compared to Wilt Chamberlain, Shaq, or Lou Alcindor.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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You missed the free throw...

He was not compared to selected colleagues, he was compared to the League as a whole if you will.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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All the same

Obama is generally center-left.  I think that qualifies as "centrist".

The only people I'd call "liberals" in the Senate are Bernie Sanders, Barbara Boxer, Sherrod Brown (although he's moderated a lot since he became a Senator), and Russ Feingold.

On the other side of the aisle, I'd call most of the Republicans center-right.  There are more exceptions than the liberals, but the Republicans are mostly center-right.  For instance, just about every Senator from the old Confederacy is a "conservative".

Why more conservatives than liberals?  The Senate is a more "conservative" body in general.  Conservative both in temperament and in politics.  Why in politics?  They have to win state-wide election, not just win a primary in a gerrymandered district.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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And as an addendum to the other reply

Voting record ratings are BS.  They attempt to measure a multi-variable equation with one variable.

Case in point: Dennis Kucinich voted against the SCHIP bill in 2008 when Bush vetoed it.  That vote was along with a lot of conservatives.  Did Kucinich see the light and decide that government shouldn't be in the business of health insurance?  No.  He voted against the bill because it didn't cover children of illegal immigrants.  He thought it wasn't "liberal enough" as it were.

Yet another case is when Kucinich (and Bernie Sanders) voted against the bailout.  Why?  Because they saw it as a giveaway to corporate america rather than because they were staunch supporters of the free market.

I'd dare to say someone who gets a 100% rating from any "liberal" organization isn't all that liberal.  And even if I gave any weight to these ratings (lol, I made a funny), they don't rate based on why someone voted they did -- just how.

And then we'd have to get into the whole idea that political philosophy is way too diverse to be restricted to the liberal/conservative dichotomy.  What is Ron Paul?  How about Jeff Flake?  Well, yes, they're libertarians, but where do they fit on the left/right spectrum.  The correct answer is that they don't.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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+5, Stiner

5 excellent paragraphs.

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No, thats not how I understand it at all...

It would be convenient if that were the case, however, (and I just emailed them to find out in greater detail), they take much more into consideration than A voted B = C. They do obviously record their voting record, and that is black and white, but then they do a great deal of analysis in addition to achieve an accurate position. Remember, it is not their goal to paint any one member as this or that, it is to develop a understanding of what the reality is in congress.

I will post the response I get to illustrate in detail the lengths they go to, but rest assured, it is a much closer corollary that exists than you would like us to believe in your post.

How ACU Determines Its Ratings and Why They Are Significant

As the premier conservative rating listed in all major political almanacs and reference guides, ACU's "Rating" is often quoted by the media and is extensively used by political strategists and candidates running for public office.

As the umbrella grassroots lobbying group of the Conservative Movement, ACU tracks a wide variety of issues before Congress, ranging from taxes to spending and national security to abortion. Accordingly, our ratings encompass three general categories: (1) economic and budget matters; (2) social and cultural issues, and (3) defense and foreign policy. ACU endeavors to analyze votes from each category in order to obtain a balanced, comprehensive picture of an individual member's ideological predisposition based upon recorded records.

Each member of the House and Senate is rated on a scale of 0 to 100.

The purpose of the "Rating" is to inform the public, in as unbiased a method as possible, exactly where individual Senators and Members of the House stand on the ideological spectrum from liberal to conservative.

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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When John agrees

Then I must be right. :-)

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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You would a thunk it ...huh?

...alas, it is not to be...

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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hehehehe

priceless.

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I'd tend to agree with you that Obama's center left

 However, I don't consider center left to be centrist. Centrist would be more like Ben Nelson.

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Hi John - Good to see you posting...

..but we go different directions on this one.

Lets see...

The prisoners in Gitmo tribunals are on hold for 120 days, perhaps indefinately...furthermore...

6 Years Ago Today

"…Daniel Pearl was kidnapped , later to be brutally beheaded by his captors with the video proudly posted on the Internet for the world to see.

The terrorists who committed this act, were they to be captured today under the Obama Administration’s policies, would be brought to the mainland United States for trial in civilian courts, be granted the rights of habeas corpus and the right to remain silent, could not be subjected to any coercive interrogation practices, and would have the right to see all evidence against them, as well as cross examine their accusers.

Rest in peace, Daniel."

 

We are now looking at piling on another unaccountable net TRILLION dollars on our collective credit card...including democratic pork.

Leon Panetta is back...and running the CIA!? Which is bad enough...but...

Robert Reich is not only back, he out of his F'ing mind ...

The only change I see is the offices the same old liberals sit in.

...I'm depressing myself...so I will let it be at that....

But you get the drift.

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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The suspension of trials for...

...the enemy combatants is only important if you believe they were fair.  Since I don't believe they were, I can honestly say I am glad Obama is no longer wasting people's time.  You can be sure the trials will resume when Obama's team feels they've found a solution that creates a better environment for justice for these prisoners.  Besides, I remember a time when Republicans were appaled that they were even afforded trials at all...

As far as Democratic Pork... Well... Let's just say I've collected a large number of sources pointing out Republican Pork in the last...ever.  No side is immune to the practice and finger pointing will do nothing to eliminate it and everything to bring MissL around to start an argument.

And given the number of sources that John and I both read regularly (as evidenced by his previous posts) I'd say he and I both agree with the issues facing our nation with the current plan to get us out of this "crisis".

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Pork... in an Emergency Economic Stimulous Package?

Frick'in despicable!

The whole bailout is a scam!

Rationalize it all you want friend, it's a horror show!

Want more great developments in the new POTUS administration...

...tax evader  Tim Geitner is head at Treasury...

...former Raytheon lobbyist William Lynn is Dep Sec of Defense...

WHAT THE F!

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Don't mistake fair evaluation with rationalization.

Just because I don't feel Republicans are any less likely to add "pork" doesn't mean I think it's okay for Democrats to do the same.  I do not agree with the "Stimulus Package" in so far as I don't feel that the government can appropriately allocate the money.  I would, however, be perfectly willing to re-acquire my own money up to but not exceeding the total amount I pay in taxes.  And I would spend it.

I do not agree with the TARP program and I do not agree with the allocation of money to be given to GM, Ford, or Chrysler, either.  All of these things have been communicated, in writing, to my Senator and Representative.  Of the many letters I've written I have only received one response.  I've never even received an automated response.

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What party are your Senator and Rep from?

Of the many letters I've written I have only received one response.  I've never even received an automated response.

I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
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They are...

...Roy Blunt (representative for my district, Republican) and the two Sentors would be Kit Bond (Republican) and Claire McCaskill (Democrat).  So far only Roy Blunt has provided a response.  And it was a response to a critique with a suggestion to change his view to be more consistent with the philosophy he claimed both during his campaign and on his website.  I suppose I was a bit surprised to hear back on that one.

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Well, talk aabout a contrast in responses...

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Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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In what way do you mean?

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Just that in one post you...

...seemed accepting and dismissive of Johns postulation...and in the last you were critical and harsh of the same.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Sorry, but I'm not seeing it.

You'll have to be more specific.

John made the point that as a libertarian he was happy to see the order to close Gitmo.  I agree.  You made a point to say the trials were being suspended as if it were inconsistent with some libertarian ideal.  While I agree the right to a trial is important I don't feel the trials were just and so I don't see a downside to their end at this time.

John also made the point that he doesn't agree with the way our government officials feel we should end the current financial problem.  I agree.  I made the additional point that the only stimulus I feel is appropriate would be to return the money we've paid in taxes (with a small clause to indicate I don't agree with the forceful movement of money from one person to another) so we could prevent further inflation.

Like I said, I don't see the inconsistency.  Please explain.

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No worries...

I saw it as this...

In his original post, John made a point of making the theme of his diary, 'So far so good", he referenced these points as justification of that premise;

In response I posted what I believe is a substantial number of incredulous appointments, and related circumstance that gives me pause, and provides what I see as reason to adopt a contrary position to that of John.

We are now looking at piling on another unaccountable net TRILLION dollars on our collective credit card...including democratic pork.

Leon Panetta is back...and running the CIA!? Which is bad enough...but...

Robert Reich is not only back, he out of his F'ing mind ...

...etc.

 You added that you agreed with BO's Gitmo policy, and generally substantiated John's "All's well so far" contention.

the enemy combatants is only important if you believe they were fair.  Since I don't believe they were, I can honestly say I am glad Obama is no longer wasting people's time.  You can be sure the trials will resume when Obama's team feels they've found a solution that creates a better environment for justice for these prisoners.

I replied with another series of what I submit are poor decision making on the part of the Obama administration.

...tax evader  Tim Geitner is head at Treasury...

...former Raytheon lobbyist William Lynn is Dep Sec of Defense...

...etc.

 And you then responded and seemed to provide a series of reasons why you did not agree with the Obama camp.

I do not agree with the "Stimulus Package" in so far as I don't feel that the government can appropriately allocate the money.  I would, however, be perfectly willing to re-acquire my own money up to but not exceeding the total amount I pay in taxes.  And I would spend it. I do not agree with the TARP program and I do not agree with the allocation of money to be given to GM, Ford, or Chrysler, either.

That's all I meant.

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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First you have to define pork

 It's sort of like pornography -- you know it when you see it.

But one person's pork is often someone else's vital project. For instance, McCain several years ago ranted about federal money to help restore Vulcan, the world's largest cast-iron statue, which sits atop Red Mountain overlooking Birmingham, Alabama. McCain saw it as a waste. In Alabama Vulcan is viewed as the symbol of the city, much like the Statue of Liberty is to New York and the Gateway Arch is to St. Louis. 

Most of the money to restore Vulcan was raised privately but there was so much damage (cast-iron tends to rust) that it cost many millions so there was a need for government money to supplement the private money.

Likewise, some project in Arizona might look like pork to folks elsewhere. A lot of these projects get trivialized by critics and you never hear anything about why funding was sought in the first place for the project.

 

qui tacet consentire

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McCain is a pagan? Vulcan?

McCain was spending all that time in order to restore a statue of one of the gods. That could have made a great attack ad premise in certain demographics.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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I think defining pork is very easy.

Pork can be defined simply as spending outlined within a bill that does not directly acheive the directive of the bill.  I guess it depends on the way you define the role of tax distribution.  I don't see how the restoration of a statue requires the attention of our federal government and so I agree with Senator McCain on that particular subject.  I am not naive enough to think McCain has never petitioned for money for similarly innapropriate uses of tax money for his constituents, however.

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Riders/pork

All Riders that spend money are Pork?

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Yes Brutus.

Crazy talk huh?

There should be no riders.

It's called accountability and transparency.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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How can we praise the NAIA volleyball champs without Riders?

But not all riders that spend money are pork barrel.

Whether or not Riders should be allowed is a different story.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Congressional accomodation...citation...

What do you want to do, buy them all new car's?

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Buy American

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In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Pork?

Maybe, maybe not.

However, if the statue of Vulcan needs to be replaced or refurbished, the city of Birmingham can foot the bill or perhaps the state of Alabama.  If they can't or won't raise the money, then the statue wasn't all that important now was it?

Everyone is always less careful with other people's money than they are their own.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Hey, RW

What's with the yellow?? ;)

Your answer shows you looked better in red.

Anyway, we'll have to disagree on my points then.

That said, I never said I agreed with everything...stimulus plan included (as you would expect).

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Why do you say that?

I am a Republican with Libertarian Ideological beliefs, and it comes up yellow?

Just like Democrats and Republicans...Those with Libertarian Values can differ on certain things...

I mean come on...there is no partisanship to it...just common American sense...Leon Panetta -CIA? A tax cheater -Treasury....A Raytheon Lobbyist-Dep Sec at Defense? William Corr, an anti-tobacco lobbyist in HHS? What happened to Obama's big promise to the American people about no lobbyists!

$825 BILLION in the liberals hands to, in R. Reich's word's, redistribute to non white contractors and unskilled workers!

$300 Million for condoms for planned parenthood! How will that stabilize the economy!

WTF John, come on, there is a time to be non-divisive, and there is a time to speak the truth!

What do you possibly see good in any of this?

It's been a rocky start in my view!

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Well, I never said I favored any of those things

I was referring specifically to the matters in the link.

I don't have very high standards on achievment.

I know the stimulus will push through. And I know there will be appointments that smell of corruption and impropriety...but that's politics. I am very opposed to the stimulus package...but slimy appointments is par for the course for any President.

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Well, your post was kinda rosey...

...and when you compare a couple administrative acts to the almost litany of questionable dealings and goings on, etc...

I guess we just differ here...

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Like I said, RW

I have very low standards when giving props to politicians.

I saw a string of genuinely good actions...as did others who think more or less like me.

That fact that these good acts will occur amid a cesspool of bad acts goes without saying. ;)

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What is the deal?

I keep hitting reply on a comment I'd like to reply to and it seemingly puts my reply wherever it pleases...  It's a bit frustrating.

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Say what?

 $300 million for condoms? Where does that figure come from?

Planned Parenthood has been getting about $300 million a year for a while from government grants and contracts (state, federal and local combined). And that includes from the former Republican Congress. 

So why are you laying this at Obama's feet?

 

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Well this is an emergency economic stimulus package...

...whay is there $300 million bucks worth of rubbers in there?

It's BS Quaoar...

...how you been anyway, long time. ;-)

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Do you even read your own links?

Or are you just oddly fond of using the word "rubbers" for some reason? You've repeated that line several times now. We're not trying to create bumper stickers here, you know. At least you provided the link to show the reality.

And I think it is at least arguable that reducing unwanted pregancies would in fact be good for the economy.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Did you read the story you linked?

 Sounds like a program that dates back more than 10 years that allowed states to offer contraception (not just condoms) through Medicaid, but only after first seeking a waiver from the federal government. The change offered now is eliminating the need to seek a waiver.

 

 

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OMG! Ya...did you?

...a contraceptive, a french letter, a johnny, prophylactic, protection, raincoat, rubber, or sheath...

Whatever you care to call them..from wherever BS spending program they came from...why are they in a economic recovery stimulus package?

Why can we not focus on fixing our government and healing our economy...?

And avoid decorating the State Dept., planting grass along the mall, and all the other things that democrats think will pretty up there work environment, or further their ideological philosophy?

Condoms...geeze?

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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If it prevents health problems

and disease it saves money. It cuts down on health care costs paid for by the state  and foster care programs, that are paid for by the state. In the end it shrinks  government at little expense.

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$ 3 0 0 M I L L I O N ! ! !

1/3 OF A BILLION DOLLARS...ON CONDOMS...THAT'S YOUR ANSWER TO FIX THE ECONOMY!

AND YOU HAD THE MALE ANATOMY TO SUGGEST YOU DIDN'T THINK "I" UNDERSTOOD CRISIS WE'RE IN....LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Please?

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Yeesh

You do realize that there are other means of contraception beside condoms, right? I'd guess that much more of the money in question would go towards birth control pills than condoms. (That would be slightly more difficult to fit on a bumper sticker, though.)

Expanding access to contraception not only will save money, but will reduce the number of abortions performed as well. Possibly as much as $1.5 billion saved, and 200,000 less abortions . Pretty good deal for $300 million, I'd say.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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You have got to be joking...

I must say I am disappointed, I thought you were less prone to jumping on the Obama-rama blind faith sort of thinking it takes to defend something as grossly inappropriate as this.

Hey world...look how we handle our economic crisis - we're gonna tackle this thing by borrowing 1/3rd of a BILLION dolloars from...(CHINA!)..and nip this thing in the bud by spending it on...

....birth control...?

No wonder we're in an economic F'ing crisis!

I can not find anyone...not even the democrats themselves coming out in support of this! But you and the band of dodo's can't resist!

Lame-o!

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Blind faith

All I can say is that spending 300 million to save 1.5 billion seems reasonable to me. Reducing the number of abortions is a nice bonus, too.

You can make it all a big joke with your spending money on condoms schtick, but if it does what it is meant to do, then it is a good idea. Do I know that it will save 1.5 billion? Of course not.* Nobody knows if any of this stuff is going to work. That's kind of the problem, you know?

*Edit: But data from those states that have expanded Medicaid to cover contraception gives us pretty good evidence that it will save a significant amount.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Well, lol, I am...just stunned...

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Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Are you from Newfoundland?

Just wondering if you meant definition 1 or 2 . :)

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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When I encounter #1...

...I often find out later they were #2. ;-)

That may explain Miss L... Hmmm...

But no, I am from AMERICA, thats why I am concerned about all this...

And I use an American dictionary, but how neo-globalist of you, Obama would be proud.

But that explains a lot...thanks? (Do I hear "we are the world" playing in the background..)

LOL!

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Health control

 not birth control.

 You need to look at things with some fresh eyes. You are getting a little hysterical. Yelling doesn't make you any more correct.

 note: imagine 

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Ok miss L...

...ok...

You go right ahead and blindly pledge your empty mind to the empty suit, and run our country right into a full fledged DEPPRESSION...

...just remember that you had an opportunity to do the right things...

...and you chose health control...!?

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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I already did the right thing

 I voted for Obama.

 

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Right vs. Wrong:

"I already did the right thing.  I voted for Obama"

Well, bully-bully for you, sweetie!

Doing a write-in of one's own ticket at the polls is wrong?   As someone who did a write-in at the polls,   oh, ho, I don't think so.

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The right thing

...is to vote for the person you feel is right for the job. Sounds like you both did the right thing. :)

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Thanks, Spiritual Lefty!

 

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A new site I've been trying

A new site I've been trying out lately had an article which I found appropriate to this discussion:

There is something else important here: there is no principle at stake for Obama in backing away from a provision like this when it is in an unrelated, but “must-pass” bill.  If this is a program that Obama ultimately wants to implement (whatever I may think of its merits), he sacrifices no principle by removing it from this legislation and fighting for it later on as a stand-alone program.  This willingness to compromise without sacrificing ultimate principles is the epitome of “good” compromise rather than the bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship that makes so many of us cringe.

I think it goes along with my point about "pork" (whatever your defintion).  I really hope you read the entire article as I think it brings up great points.

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oops, figuring this place out...

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By the way...

We've never met I don't believe...Welcome to SC.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Yes, welcome

Nice to see a fellow independent libertarian.

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I can't read this page anymore.

 All that yellow hurts my eyes!  :)

I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
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I need a red and yellow bar....

LOL!

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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NSA 'Monitored All Communications' of Americans, Targeted Press

This:

www.alternet.org/blogs/video/121723/former_nsa_analyst:_nsa_%27monitored_all_communications%27_of_americans,_targeted_journalists/

has been out there for a few days & I haven't seen much discussion about it.  Former analyst for the National Security Agency Russell Tice says that:

"The National Security Agency had access to all Americans' communications -- faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications. And it didn't matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the country, and you never made any foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications. [...] But an organization that was collected on were U.S. news organizations and reporters and journalists."

So, now that we have proof that our government copied ALL of our communications during the bush43 years how do you feel about it?  How do you libertarians feel about being considered part of those worthy of being watched?

As a progressive, I think the government overstepped it's authority.  I'd prefer a more targeted approach.

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We've known they had access for years...

..and we've known they look not at the person, but for key words, or series of words, the if it gets flagged, they look closer.

Get used to it, it will always be that way, even if Al Franken became POTUS, which is where you guys are headed, it's not going away.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Al Franken becoming President of the United States?!?

 Al Franken will NEVER become President of the United States, even if he gets the Democratic nomination.  Americans  aren't ready to accept a Jewish President.

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Sarcasm IM.... ;-) But I would Q your postulation...

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Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Oh, geesh!!

I guess my snark-o-meter is broken.  (lol) 

 

Or, perhaps, due to the way in which I was originally hard-wired together, I never really had one.

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Well, Joe Lieberman was within a few votes in FL of being VP

...so, I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.  If people were so anti-Jew, it's hard to believe that 50% of the people would vote for a ticket with a Jew as VP.  History tells us that if Gore had won, Lieberman would have stood something like a 20% chance of becoming president.

But yeah, Franken will never be president, because, well, sanity will somehow prevail one would hope and we would not be electing second-rate comedians and partisan political talk-show hacks to the most important office in the land ;-)

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Fly on the wall scenerio.

Just imagine being a fly on the wall in the Oval office of a Gore/Lieberman administration on 9/11 & after.  Joe would have wanted to throw nukes around....we all know that.  In that respect I'm glad he never got that kind of power.  But also in retrospect, I suspect I'd have been happier under a Gore Lieberman administration than I was under bush43's.

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VP's always want to nuke someone

Supposedly Cheny wanted to help Israel bomb Iran.

Okay, it wasn't a nuke, but...

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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However,

Joe Lieberman drifted more and more to the right thereafter. 

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a Jewish VP?

Americans  aren't ready to accept a Jewish President.

We came very close to having a jewish VP back in 2000. Do you think that this discrimination is only applicable to Presidents and not VP (we saw with Cheny that the VP can pretty-much run the show if he's allowed to). Also, there are plenty of Jewish politicians in high elected office (Congress, Governors, Mayors). There were even a number of people who wanted Bloomberg and Feingold to run for President in the last election.

 

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Is Joe Biden disingenuous about the economy and how to fix it?

Why does Joe just keep treating the American people as if the are learning impaired? He has made so many foot in mouth statements that the latest may not be much of a surprise. But if you are trying to understand this stimulus, and the economic woes we are facing, Joe may not be a good source of reliable information ...

In a TV interview last month, Vice President Joe Biden said the following:

"Every economist, as I've said, from conservative to liberal, acknowledges that direct government spending on a direct program now is the best way to infuse economic growth and create jobs."

That statement is clearly false. As I have documented on this blog in recent weeks, skeptics about a spending stimulus include quite a few well-known economists, such as (in alphabetical order) Alberto Alesina , Robert Barro , Gary Becker , John Cochrane , Eugene Fama , Robert Lucas , Greg Mankiw , Kevin Murphy , Thomas Sargent , Harald Uhlig , and Luigi Zingales --and I am sure there many others as well. Regardless of whether one agrees with them on the merits of the case, it is hard to dispute that this list is pretty impressive, as judged by the standard objective criteria by which economists evaluate one another. If any university managed to hire all of them, it would immediately have a top ranked economics department.

So what is one to make of the vice president's statement? As a logical matter, I can think of only four possibilities:

  • Biden knew what he was saying was false.

  • Biden was saying what he believed to be true and somehow got this incorrect idea in his head without talking about the issue with the very talented team of economists working for the new administration.

  • Biden talked to his economic advisers about the issue, and they purposefully misled him into thinking that there was a consensus among economists, even though there isn't.

  • Biden's advisers were themselves mistaken. They expected an overwhelming consensus of support for their fiscal plans and were surprised at the number of prominent economists on the opposite side the issue.

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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I just get a kick out of the

I just get a kick out of the fact that no one remembers when Biden had to interject his false memory about fireside chats and calming the American people during crises.  A few short months later and he's doing exactly what former President Bush did when first addressing the American people.  For all the bull he spewed about Cheney he sure could take a page from his book by shutting his mouth and staying out of sight...

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I know Obama wouldn't mind if he started telecommuting... ;-)

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Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Al Gore Die Hards!

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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GoRight has been busy forwarding pics of his wintertime hobby

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In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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LOL!

Obama: Hey Joe, Joe, hey Joe.. I can never get this guys attention...

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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