Journalistic Capture?

With regard to the Cramer vs. Stewart affair, Will Wilkinson offers some commentary based on this great piece by Glenn Greenwald .

Greenwald's main point:

...there's absolutely nothing about Cramer that is unique when it comes to our press corps. The behavior that Jon Stewart so expertly dissected last night is exactly what our press corps in general does --

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At least give credit to Cramer for facing his critics and addressing (and even acknowledging the validity of) the criticisms. By stark contrast, most of our major media stars simply ignore all criticisms of their corrupt behavior and literally suppress it.

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Unlike Cramer — who at least admitted fault last night and said he was “chastized” — most establishment journalists won’t acknowledge that there was anything wrong with the behavior of the press corps during the Bush years. The most they’ll acknowledge is that it was confined to a couple of bad apples — The Judy Miller Defense. But the Cramer-like journalistic behavior during that period that was so widespread and did so much damage is behavior that our press corps, to this day, believes is proper and justified.

Greenwald also shows the transcript of the Russert-Moyers interview where Moyers filled the role of Stewart and pursued Russert on the poor and lazy journalism before the Iraq War.

While Cramer fessed up and admitted he was lied to and failed to substantiate anything, Russert stood by his work.

Will Wilkinson goes on to make a point about "journalistic capture"...like "regulatory capture"...whereby the media (like government) is so dependent on insiders for information to do their job that the product winds up being tainted with the asymmetrical info of its sources....much like politicians who rely on the very people they seek to regulate to gather intelligence to craft new regulations.

Talk about the fox in the hen house in both cases.

Will:

And here’s something I’d like John Stewart to grasp. In some important sense, Timothy Geithner faces the same assymetrical information quandry Cramer did. The government is so incredibly dependent on Wall Street for much of the information it needs that it is almost inconceivable that the government (and thus the taxpayers) is not being gamed. Somehow I’d never thought much before about the similarity between regulatory capture and a journalist’s becoming a tool of her sources, but it’s a pretty striking similarity.

Indeed.

Of course I like the point Greenwald and Megan McArdle made. I share the sentiment.

Here's Megan:

On the one hand, I am not a fan of financial cable news (Bloomberg usually excepted). I think Jim Cramer should be illegal. Anyone who invests money based on one of these networks, or Wall Street Week, should seriously consider making themselves a ward of the court. Anyone in the business who goes on one of those shows is talking their book. If anyone has a good way to make money above and beyond broad, boring strategies like stock indices or bond funds, will not tell you about it.

Amen, Megan (and Glenn...who made a similar point).

Hanging on Cramer's word to make stock picks is like using horoscopes to plan your day.

For people to believe everything that someone like Cramer says and take it to the bank and never question it or seek out alternative sources shows how naive these people are about such a complex world. If financial and economic life was that simple and predictable, it'd be a much different world.

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Is Cramer in the press corps?

 that's news to me.

  Kudo's to Stewart,

 The notion that these  'experts' of business on CNBC, who claim to know the financial world in and out, have been caught off guard, by the events that unfolded on Sept 18th, as if they had no clue what was really going on.

  It would be like an expert weather man standing in a  hurricane and wondering why it's raining.

  That's all Stewart was trying to say. For some reason Cramer took it personally, the question is why? 

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That's an easy one.

For some reason Cramer took it personally, the question is why?

He took it seriously for the same reason Stewart would take it seriously if someone told him he wasn't funny.

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Exactly the same....

 okay.

  Manipulating the markets with false information and shorting stocks is exactly the same as being an unfunny comedian. Sure. You betcha.

 

  

  

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Jon built himself a neat

Jon built himself a neat little fortress of solitude.  From within it, he can say or do anything he wants with regard to the interpretation of current events.  (Or I suppose some people might still call it news...  I hope not many)  And whever anyone says,"But, John..."  he simply gets to remind them that he's a comedian on a comedy network and his coating of vaseline is complete.

If you are going to sit there and try to make people understand that some news (or whatever you want to call it) has an effect on people and some news doesn't, you've got a bit of a double standard going...

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*cough*

Jon Stewart is successful at what he does. He is making money. He is employing people and he has good ratings. I would think you would celebrate his productivity, in the competitive industry known as the media. Stewart isn't trying to rip any one off.

If you don't like what you see, then change the channel.

Unfortunately, if you took Cramers advice to buy and hold Bear Stearns, even after you turned off the TV, you can't forget what he said, when you look at your account balance. 

 Jon Stewart wasn't trying to create a false impression of a companies portfolio so that he could short that position after you turned off the TV. There is some question as to whether Cramer was using his show to hedge his bets in the stock market. See the difference.

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double standard confirmed. thanks.

n/t

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You live in a strange world

and it's all yours.

I suppose Bush never lied either. What an ass Stewart was to bring that up, while CNBC was promoting it's freedom agenda via the stock market.

Whatever. 

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Objectivity void.

 Or should I say Objectivity Chasm.

 You are so blinded by what you think is your 'objectivity' that you have become completely non-objective.

 Because really leveraging equities at 35 to 1 is the most rational position to take. Cramer says so.

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I think you missed his point.

I'll leave it at that.

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The Gods of Reason and Rationality Speaks

 I didn't miss the point. I don't agree with it.

The excuses people continue making for these Wall Street heisters. 

 Someone calls them out and all of a sudden, there is a hue and cry about a double standard.

Whatever.

 

 

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Like I said,

The excuses people continue making for these Wall Street heisters.

you missed the point.

If that is what you think we're doing then you missed the point.

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I sure did

I missed the whole point that the media has done a crap job of asking good questions and a comedian gets high marks for doing so.

Clearly Cramer was unfairly abused by a comedian pretending to be a journalist.

And Cramer was also abused for his high journalistic standards as well.

It's never the actual message with you is it. It's not the content of what was discussed. We will just skip that part and put our fingers in our ears.

 

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On the contrary

It is indeed the content. It's all about the content.

But when the content of what you say is trying to twist the point you are responding to or run off on a tangent, I notice.

The tone is telling. SOme points are a little gray and subtle and don't need pushes to extremes.

But that's just what I see.

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Double standards

Sometimes, double standards are justified. Should we hold Mary Hart to the same journalistic standards as Tom Brokaw? I suppose you could, but I personally wouldn't have a problem if you didn't.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Cramer is no Tom Brokaw

not by a long shot or by any stretch of the imagination.

I think part of this little issue within the bigger issue here is that I (and I think magilson) don't hold Cramer up to the standard that others seem to. Yes, his job is more serious than Stewart's...but not by much and not nearly as much as some would like to believe.

And I think that plays into the idea put forth by magilson on "double standards" Namely, the idea that nobody should  get on Stewart's case because "after all, the guy's only a comedian" even though he's clearly more than that. Yet, Cramer's show is not much different in that it's financial advice and entertainment and to be taken with a grain of salt. Like I said in my diary (and greenwald and mcardle stated as well), you'd have to be a moron to base your financial moves on a blowhard like Cramer. Yet, Cramer doesn't seem to have as much recourse as he should. Stewart's got the "but I'm a comedian" angle...yet Cramer doesn't seem to get a piece of that slack...and he shoud. His show isn't serious.

That of course, does not change the fact that CNBC in general is subject to "journalistic capture" (which is the real point of the diary) as Wilkinson stated. It's a risk that more people should take seriously.

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True dat

Cramer is no Tom Brokaw

And Jon Stewart's legs aren't nearly as nice as Mary Hart's.

Namely, the idea that nobody should  get on Stewart's case because "after all, the guy's only a comedian" even though he's clearly more than that.

If Stewart has done something that may have harmed gullible watchers, than yes, there's no reason someone shouldn't get on his case for it. I suppose a red-bar might say that he is harming gullible young people by turning them off from the Republican Party. I'm not entirely convinced that that is "harm" though! :)  And he does throw in at least a smattering of jokes at the Democrats' expense as well, though obviously not nearly as much. Mostly, I think he is doing a positive service by bringing topics like media accountability into mainstream discussion.

I never watched Cramer's show, nor have I watched the Cramer/Stewart interview yet, so I can't really speak to how serious he tries to be taken in general. From the clips I've seen, he certainly does appear to be pretty clownish.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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The populist position is

 already circulating via the inter-tubes with a hue and cry to hold CNBC accountable for fluffing up billionaires while encouraging regular joe to invest for the long term, so that venture capitalists would have money to game the system.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/cnbc/?r=3074&id=2992-1497811-txIEdix

On March 12, Jon Stewart of The Daily Show discussed another serious problem: financial news networks like CNBC that promoted Wall Street propaganda and then blamed the financial crisis on "losers" who couldn't make their mortgage payments. 

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I have no doubt that gullible

I have no doubt that gullible people are really upset after finding out they're gullible.  Also, gullible is written on your ceiling.  FYI.

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Stupid moochers.

 Those lazy worthless people. How dare they question Jim Cramer's wisdom. The nerve

You'd think they would outlaw free speech in this country. Them unedemucated types shouldn't be allowed to speak their minds.

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Your side's tryin' ...

You'd think they would outlaw free speech in this country.

It's called the fairness doctrine, but it is exactly the opposite.

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Big Lie

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Republicans do play the victim so well I have to admit.

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Completely laughable.

Manipulating the markets ...

Cramer wishes he could actually manipulate the markets ...

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And even that's not really

And even that's not really the point.  People who are upset with Cramer would love it to be.  Because they could have him fired or come up with some regulation or stipulation for investing advice or some other such nonsense.  The real lesson should be people need to take their investments more seriously and make much more careful considerations than they obviously did.  This obsession with "it's never my fault" personal philosophy is just pathetic and childish.

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Propaganda

can  move a nation to the edge of bankruptcy. 

I suppose Bernie Madoff could prosecute all those who invested with him and send them to jail for stupidity.

 

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Madoff and Cramer are not the same thing.

Most clearly. Madoff had actual control of and direct consel over other people's investments.

And yes,

Propaganda can  move a nation to the edge of bankruptcy.

However, it's a stretch to apply that to Cramer.

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I am not applying that to Cramer

I am saying the media, as in CNBC can be complicit in swaying people.

That 65% of the country thought that Iraq attacked us on 9/11 proves that propganda is very effective at dumbing people down.

The Wall Street schtick of CNBC second by second billions can be made, and give you ever lasting freedom. Yeah. Money comes from air according to CNBC. Don't work. Just use other peoples money to make money.

 Bernie Madoff was a smooth talking swindler, with a long history of good returns. IN a sense CNBC has performed a similar swindle on the John Q Public. CNBC knew the inside scoop. Those folks aren't stupid. They knew there has been a shadow banking system ignoring the rules, and they knew that it was going down. CNBC, like Bernie, was hoping that one more big stock trade, or one more investment would save the day and keep the system from collapsing.

 Think about it. We have to pay for this scam twice. We have to pay the banks for screwing up, and we have to pay AIG for insuring the scam. Did the smart folks at CNBC really have no clue here.

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It's true

Propaganda can  move a nation to the edge of bankruptcy

The "hope" and "change" campaign was pretty effective, I'll give you that.

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Yeah hope sucks doesn't it

What could be worse. Hope = Hitler, isn't that how it goes.

Therefore believe nothing, trust no one. Live in Glenn Beck's tomb of paranoia! Hope is coming to get you....... run!

 

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Hope = Hitler?

 Nope.  But Obama = Pedophile.

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Abolish the FCC...

 there, problem solved...

 

btw, i thought the interview was a red herring of sorts to the extent it focused on short selling; short selling had nothing to do with this;

I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.
Learn to swim.
Moms gonna fix it all soon.
Moms comin round to put it back the way it ought to be.

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The Vaseline Covered Satirist

 aka Jon Stewart, hits a nerve with the talking heads and print journalists.

 The media re-examines itself, as the Sunday talking heads ask, are they asking the right questions, and how did they all miss the economic crises? Was there a journalist that predicted our economic Pearl Harbor?

 Well, George Soros and Nouriel Roubini predicted the downturn. But of course they were poo-poo-ed as radical leftists.

 Will the MSM give them credit for having the wisdom to foresee the problem?

  

 

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