Drugs. Two Great Recent Videos

For a plethora of reasons, I'm generally sympathetic to and for the arguments of legalizing and/or decriminalizing drugs...especially marijuana. It's well covered territory on both sides of the argument but, in the end, the anti-legalization arguments fail to convince me that it's a better way to handle this issue. To me, it's not an issue of whether people can or will have access to these drugs because they do. So, "illegal" clearly does not mean "no access" or "diminished access" or "keeping us all drug free". Likewise, "legal" does not mean the opposite.

To me, it's a given that people will get the drugs the want and try the drugs they want whether it's illegal or not. The only choice we face is how that happens and what consequences we create along the way.

And we aren't even touching the issue of medically recommended medical marijuana. That THAT should illegal...especially at a federal level...is preposterous.

Will this ever change? I don't know. I hope that, in time, it will.

Meanwhile, here are two great videos that came out recently.

First is Ron Paul vs. Stephen Baldwin on drug legalization:

Next, from the 3-13-09 episode of 20/20, here's Stossel and Drew Carey covering medical marijuana and an unfortunate casualty of this fight: A doctor in California.

(BTW, The Liberty Papers has all six segments from that 20/20 episode available in one spot. Great viewing.

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Ron Paul vs. Stephen Baldwin

OK, this is admittedly a shallow observation, since I know neither of these guys personally, but this just seems like the intellectual equivalent of a boxing match between Muhammad Ali and Punky Brewster.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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....Muhammad Ali and Punky

....Muhammad Ali and Punky Brewster.

Or Tyson vs Carol Channing

Baldwin was full of slippery slopes arguments that made little sense. I suppose he'd argue against teaching evolution in schools, because it would lead to schools teaching kids to worship a giant H-Bomb that is in the middle of a cathedral.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Faith-based, Conservative Viewpoint?

 Baldwin? I could have mistaken that for a SNL parody....

I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.
Learn to swim.
Moms gonna fix it all soon.
Moms comin round to put it back the way it ought to be.

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hehehehe

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Drug Decriminalization in Portugal

Glenn Greenwald has been working on a 50 page paper for the Cato Institute that he will present on April 3 at noon at Cato Institute in Washington.

In 2001, Portugal became the only EU-member state to decriminalize drugs, a distinction which continues through to the present. Last year, working with the Cato Institute, I went to that country in order to research the effects of the decriminalization law (which applies to all substances, including cocaine and heroin) and to interview both Portuguese and EU drug policy officials and analysts...Evaluating the policy strictly from an empirical perspective, decriminalization has been an unquestionable success, leading to improvements in virtually every relevant category and enabling Portugal to manage drug-related problems (and drug usage rates) far better than most Western nations that continue to treat adult drug consumption as a criminal offense.

Great work, Glenn. See his link for more info...

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I just don't see Greenwald & the Cato in the same setting.

The Cato is way more libertarian than he is.  Should be interesting.

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They're collaborating

on an issue where Greenwald has a libertarian position: drug legalization...or at least decrminalization (for starters).

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economist on the drug war

FYI, last week's economist has a cover story about ending the drug war(s).

http://www.economist.com/printedition/index.cfm?d=20090307

Sorry if I'm repeating an earlier comment...

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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I don't know drug addiction research, but I do know research

Baldwin's gateway drug argument is pathetic. When he makes completely unfounded assertions such as "marijuana leads to doing worse things. That's just a fact.", I can only conclude that he is a liar.

Without looking at the research on the issue, I can confidently state that he is unjustified in making strong assertions about the gateway drug hypothesis:

1) We can't do controlled experiments on human drug use. We cannot take one group of kids, give them pot, and then come back 10 years later and see if they are using harder drugs. Selection bias will seriously complicate any study examining the relationship between marijuana use and other drugs. Reserachers can try to account for this by using fancy statistics, but it is almost impossible to draw any conclusions.

2) Even if we could examine the impact of pot smoking on other drug use in America, we would still have no information about whether this relationship would hold up if marijuana were legalized while leaving the other drugs illegal.

So, Baldwin has no basis for making his claims. The fact that he followed his comment with "I don't care what anyone says" indicates that he has no empirical basis for his claim. He's just making it up.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Greenwald's talk of Portugal's drug decriminalized

is impressive & it's worked out really well.  I didn't know.

Just imagine how much money you'd suck out of organized crime.

 

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what does the research say about "marijuana gateway drug"

I did a PubMed search for "marijuana gateway drug ":

Here's what I found:

There is a well established correlation between early use of alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, and later use of other illicit drugs. Of the studies that I looked at, few actually tried to separate out causal factors of later drug use

Understanding the association between adolescent marijuana use and later serious drug use: gateway effect or developmental trajectory?

Rather than supporting the interpretation that earlier marijuana use "triggers" later hard drug use, these results suggest that the longitudinal pattern of drug use that has been interpreted as the "gateway effect" might be better conceptualized as a genetically influenced developmental trajectory.

Reassessing the marijuana gateway effect .

CONCLUSIONS: Marijuana gateway effects may exist. However, our results demonstrate that the phenomena used to motivate belief in such an effect are consistent with an alternative simple, plausible common-factor model. No gateway effect is required to explain them. The common-factor model has implications for evaluating marijuana control policies that differ significantly from those supported by the gateway model.

This later article lead to a series of comments by other researchers , some seemed to be frantically re-emphasizing that the existence of an alternative to the gateway hypothesis does not automatically invalidate the gateway hypothesis. Others proposed ways to distinguish between the gateway hypothesis and the common-factor hypothesis. I got the impression that there really hasn't been much serious research on the gateway hypothesis.

One of these researchers (MICHAEL LYNSKEY) pointed out the following item of interest:

In the Netherlands it was argued that the link between cannabis use and progression to other drug use arose from the social context in
which cannabis was used and obtained. The de facto
legalization of cannabis use was therefore seen as a strategy to
reduce ‘hard’ drug use by separating the hard and soft drug markets. To the extent that the probability of cocaine use conditional on prior cannabis use appears
lower in the Netherlands than in the US, there is some evidence to suggest that this strategy may have been at least partially successful (MacCoun & Reuter 2001).

 

In the end, I guess the issue is whether you are comfortable throwing people into jail due to indirect problems that their behavior may cause, especially when the causal relationship between their current behavior and the future problems is largely speculative.

 

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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gateway drugs and responsibility for your actions

Some conservatives place a big emphasis on how a person is responsible for their actions, regardless of genetic or social factors that may influence their behavior.

I wonder if these people see any conflict between that opinion and the argument that the gateway drug hypothesis has any bearing on whether we should throw pot smokers in jail. If they really believe in personal responsibility, they would have to argue that a person uses heroin because that person decided to use heroin, and the people who only smoke pot are not responsible for the actions of the heroin user.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Gateway drugs are gateway drugs for one reason usually-

the supply of your drug of choice is interrupted and so you turn to some other drug to fill in.  That isn;t an issue with decriminalized drugs in general because the supply isn't subject to the wild variations you see in illegal drugs (between drug busts, cartel rivalries, etc).

Personally I'm for decriminalization of mariuana and a bunch of the less damaging/addicting drugs.  Psychodelics I think should be available with a counselor's agreement.  The drugs I have trouble with legalizing are the most extremely addictive and damaging; Heroin, PCP, crack.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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addictions

The drugs I have trouble with legalizing are the most extremely addictive and damaging; Heroin, PCP, crack.

Don't forget power.

If I were in charge, megalomania would be prohibited.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Welcome to anarchism...

nt.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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"Anarchism" in big lettering...

...with "so long as it's end result supports a progressive, liberal agenda" really small just below it.

 

I kid.  I kid. 

But really I don't. 

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What about saturation effects?

You get so used to weed that you get bored of it and want to try something more stimulating.

I have no idea whether this can acutally happen with marijuana or any other drug.  I do have some pothead ex-roommates who moved on ecstatsy/rave circuit.

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Legalizing marijuana is for

Legalizing marijuana is for the best, this what I think too. You are right, there are many reasons in favor of this, I won't count them all over again. Kids need protection, instead they hide from authorities and do drugs. We have no official records and thus it's hard to help them. Ronn, drug treatment counselor

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