Friday/Weekend Open Thread
In the news today:
Bank Stress Test results : Looks like JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs were financially solvent enough to pay for good grades, while Bank of America was not. ;)
Fighting escalates in Pakistan .
Toyota has a bad year . First year losing money since 1963!
More wildfires near Santa Barbara.
Job losses slowing down? But is anybody hiring ?
Oh Manny! Ramirez suspended for 50 days for failing a drug test. :(
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Submitted by Spiritual Lefty on Fri, 2009-05-08 07:30
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Ladies & Gentlemen - Barack Obama in:
An American Christmas Carol
(We join our play in progress as the first spirit gives some much needed advice to our new president)
TJ: Barraack... (Unearthly sound calls out)
BO: "Who are you spirit, and be quite man or you'll wake up Michelle...and let me tell you something brother...you don't want that".
TJ: "It is me Barack, Thomas Jefferson".
BO: "Michelle wake up".
TJ: "No no, don't do that Barry, I've seen what you're dealing with there. Oh, it is okay if I call you Barry, isn't it"?
BO: "Oh sure, Tom".
TJ: "That's Mr Jefferson". "Barry listen, we only have a moment and I have something very important to remind you of".
BO: "Well now, with all due respect Mr Jefferson, I appreciate the..."
TJ: "Barry". "Barry shut up and listen to someone who knows a little something about America for once, our countrys very future is at stake here".
(Tune in again next time as
BarryPresident Obama is visited by the second specter, not we're not talk'in as in Arlen. ll next time on...)An American Christmas Carol, starring Barraack Obaamaa!
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Wow....
That was incredibly lame.
Please tell me you got that somewhere else and didn't make it up yourself.
I'm pretty sure you didn't come up with anything nearly as clever over the past 8 years as Bush was turning the Clinton surpluses into record deficits.
Disingenuous, Mr. Centinel.
I survived the Bush Administration
Well, considering Obama has spent as much as he has
and makes GW look like a spendthrift, well now those two are not even comparable.
Who's being disingenuous now, Mr. Mover?
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
I don't think that word means what you think it means. :)
Common misconception, but spendthrift
means the exact opposite of what I think you intend to say. (Although I agree Bush was a spendthrift!)
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
:)
Nice catch, SL! I have to admit you taught me something today. I would have fallen into the same trap as Centinel.
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Good call, Oops (Lets make lemonade then)
I agree with you, GW was a spendthrift, so to line up the numbers and see Obama is still making him look like a "penny pincher", is even more remarkable!
;-)
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Sorry, but you must be confused.
There never was a surplus. We have been carrying a monotonically increasing public debt the entire time.
UPDATE:
At no point in time did Clinton ever reduce the federal debt. Any claims of there being a surplus are illusory at best.
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4True
Clinton still did a comparitively decent job though:
Obama's probably not going to do nearly as well (remains to be seen I guess), but he came in under some pretty rough circumstances.
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
And no thanks to a Republican Congress that swept into office
...running on things like the Contract with America, promises to be fiscally responsible, and having forced the issue down Clinton's throat, right?
Clinton would have much rather got health care reform and run around like a spending nut, but it wasn't in the cards for him.
Clinton, Bush, ah dude they're just panzies compared to Barack Obama.
Now let's just look a little closer at where this is all leading us, shall we?
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Wow, you can stop now!
I believe you! I believe you! Things really CAN be true but misleading! You're the master! :)
Unfortunately I haven't fallen victim to your attempted deception. Can anyone tell me why they would have chosen to graph this particular variable, level of debt increases? Could it perhaps have something to do with the effect that has on the visual output relative to the same information having been graphed as the total budget? Hmmm.
I will correct that tomorrow if I can find the time. That should provide a much less misleading picture of the situation and expose this particular graph for what it is. It should make an interesting comparison.
And why have we left Obama's budget
off of this graph? That should also make an interesting addition too. But of course I will be happy to provide BOTH versions for comparison purposes there as well.
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4It would have been too
difficult for you to mention that gross debt includs debt held by Government accounts (highway, medicare, social security)? "Federal debt" can only mean debt owed to the federal government to entities outside the federal government; if I owe myself a milion dollars I don't really owe anything.
Here are the real numbers, from the same document two columns over, that shows the debt held by the public. The Federal Government took in more money than it paid out from 1997-2000. That it moved the surplus and then some to SS, medicare and highway accounts does not mean its debt increased: the interest on those treasuries is paid to... the federal government.
The debt went up again in 2002 because contrary to right-wing fantasy, tax cuts don't increase revenue (duh).
Guess what the Bush budgets did with respect to money borrowed from the trusts? Do you think they added it to the Federal Debt? Hah. Al Gore kept babbling about a "lockbox" because he wanted to split off the SS trust fund and make the Federal Government solvent without counting on those surpluses. But he lost, so there was and is no lockbox. If the SS surplus isn't spent in some future budget, the Fed can pay itself back with it, and having paid all the interest to itself, it cannot be considered actual debt.
Did you not care enough to explain the discrepency between Clinton's three balanced budgets and the apparent debt increase you found? Standard Republican MO I guess.
I didn't bother to dig any deeper than the top line numbers...
because the internal breakdowns do not matter. In the end debt is debt no matter how you try to hide it. For example, the Social Security accounts are still obligations on the Federal government. They still have to pay those benefits. They are not a profit center.
Whether the government owes money to someone because they directly own a security or because the government has to otherwise pay out benefits is a distinction without a difference .
If those accounts do not represent debt that the government is obligated to pay, then why is it included in a column titled Gross Federal Debt at all?
To review a few points from the document, the title of the section in which my data appears:
The title of the table from which my data are taken:
The title of the column in the table from which my data are taken:
Please explain to me how the securities held in the Social Security accounts are NOT actual obligations that the government will ultimately have to pay? Do those accounts somehow not expect to be paid the interest promised to them on the US Government securities that they hold? I suspect that the accountants might beg to differ with you on that. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't think so.
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4This is why I am so disgusted with the federal government
Read more after you're done being sick here
.
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Jeesh
Doing research on why people do stupid things after drinking too much...
Reminds me of
New Study Finds College Binge Drinking To Be A Blast
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
WE GOT THE PICTURE - but not our moneys worth
Well, here it is folks;
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Democrat fiscal responsibility on display.
<Shakes head>
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Oh my.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519314,00.html
Yes. The President likes spicy mustard -- even Dijon mustard. And he eats overcooked beef.
Thank you, Hannity & Fox News, for this astounding piece of journalism that, finally, reveals the President's true character. Maybe this will be the big story that knocks a bunch of folks off the fence and into the Republican camp!
A politician is an arse upon which everyone has sat except a man -- e e cummings
Keep the Government Out of Your Life!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0&feature=related
I'm only half stupid
Spiritual Lefty
I had a run-in with a piece of glass today and guess who won ;-)
Fourteen stitches in my hand and orders to be careful until they come out. Which will naturally limit my typing for a while.
So, in other words, Tag! You're It!
Ouch!
Rest, relax, and heal. I'll handle these heathens on my own for now! :)
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
Hey PF, it wasn't a memorial pepsi bottle from the 2008 DNC
...with lighter fluid and rag stuffed in the top, lit on fire, and thrown through your front window was it?
lol.
Because according to ML, we're inciting violence and sending folks over the edge. ;-)
Hope you feel better, and get back soon!
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
It's hard to type this with my index finger stuck down my throat
...but give me a break!
This is the state of objective journalism in America?
More here
.
...Ugh! There, thats better. Sally Quinn owes me a sushi dinner!
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Man, is that weird or what?
Is there even a name for someone with an arm fetish? What a crazy a** thing to even bring up.
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Pwoar such a stack of info
Pwoar such a stack of info here.
So many falacies, goofs, and shady things to choose from.
What was the Obamateurism of the Week?
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Motherhood's Paucity of Language
Happy Appreciation Day to mothers everywhere, no matter what phase of learning your relationship with your child is in.
I'm only half stupid
Obama is becoming a lot like your loser brother in law
...here we go again. ;-(
Want to get depressed, read the rest of the BS excuses and lame denials here
.
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Dick Cheney choses politics
over military honor.
When asked on face the nation:
I'm only half stupid
Meh.
Link please? I would like to expose you for the out of context quoting that I know I will find! Even so, when it comes to politics I would take Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powel any day, almost regardless of political context.
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Cheney is clearly mocking Powell
It gives us all a peek into Cheney's true character, willing to deride a General to protect his cronies.
Neither Cheney nor Rush ever served in the military, so they have something in common.
If you resort to personal attacks and mocking, does that mean you have run out of ideas?
I'm only half stupid
No, he has plenty of relevant ideas on a wide spectrum of issues
But sometimes you have to speak the truth ML, whether it's PC or not.
(supplement)
Just as I have had to do here with you.
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
You forgot the link again.
Link please?
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4It's from
the Sunday morning interview with Bob Scheiffer. If you care to look, the interview is all over the intertubes.
Apparently the feeling between Rush and Dick is a mutual admiration club.
They both love their country so much, they are happy to take every opportunity to 'inform' the public of their fears about new Presidents policies.
I'm only half stupid
I don't think Colin Powell has much to offer any longer either
....politically.
(Not that he ever really did, he's been a RINO his whole career, I wonder how it feels to go a lifetime knowing your insides, and outsides, just don't match up?)
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
RINO his whole career, eh?
That might be a good explanation for why he supported Obama. :)
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
Except he never did support a democratic candidate before that
...nice try.
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Iranian/American Journalist To Be Released
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/world/middleeast/12iran.html?_r=1&hp
I'm only half stupid
Large Medical Book Publisher, "trciked" by Large Drug Company
"Merck Created Phony Peer-Review Medical Journal
"
I wonder how much Elsevier
knew or cared to know.
This is what Civil Courts are live for.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Even being a liberal, is this the government change you wanted
We're printing waaaay too much money.
The deficit will surpass 1.8 trillion!
- 4 TIMES THE DEFICIT LIBERALS & FISCAL CONSERVATIVES FLIPPED OUT ABOUT ONLY ONE YEAR AGO IN 2008!
Our government is borrowing 50 cents on every dollar it spends.
People will not be paying their taxes if things remain this way, or get worse, then what?
The White House, as with everything else they do, is way over playing their hand
when they say they expect the economy will GROW 3.5% by the years end! Come on.
The government can't even keep track
of where they're spending all this money!
This is getting really scary IMO!
My liberal friends, what say you?
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Didn't Wanda whats her name just go to far?
How about:
What? Too much?
From good old Caleb at RedState
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Smell that? You smell that?
Faux outrage, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of faux outrage in the morning. You know, one time we had Capitol Hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' Democtrac body. The smell, you know that faux outrage smell, the whole hill. Smelled like...victory. Someday this war's gonna end...
Attempts at faux outrage are about as lame as FDR's legs, what too soon?
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Liberals lack the dignity olfaction gland, it all stinks to you
If someone does this to Bush, or Rush...hahaha.
But had someone, which no one has because R's try to be above all this, (Joe Bidens Daughters recent thing is evidence of that - as opposed to poor Bristol Palin at the hands of the D's) but had this happened TO Obama, the left would have come un-F___king-glued!
To watch the President sit and laugh at the call for the death of another American citizen because he disagrees with his politics - was embarrassing and revealing.
F__k Barack Obama. He's nothing more than a cold, hard core Chicago politician, and a two faced BS artist. He is bankrupting our country to further his liberal agenda under the auspices of remedying the economic crisis, and you have fallen for it all. Congratulations.
This was over the line, wishing someone death, come on dude, show some moxie man.
In case you're interested, this
is how I really feel.
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Awesome
Look I can do that too. F___k Rush Limbaugh. It's all his fault.
I'm only half stupid
ML, take it line by line throughout each of our posts
Oooppss you ran out after two lines....
Go F__K yourself.
You should have behooved my offer to leave it!
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
This Pakistan thing is ..a ...big ....problem!
Even the NYT agrees.
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Oh great, this makes me feel better
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari
said his country isn’t adding to its nuclear arsenal and doesn’t have to disclose the location of its weapons to the U.S.
Ok fine.
Is this guy a Taliban? Their country is being over run by terrorists! Wouldn't a normal reaction be to insure the safety of the existing stockpile, no one asked whether they wanted to place an order, lol?
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
This is kind of an old story
Maybe you were so focused on Iraq, you didn't notice that alQueda's base was never Iraq and has always been along the Afghan/Pakistani border.
I'm only half stupid
Oh ML? Either perfect the art of reading, or get a new hobby
The point is, he acts as if he will not share with us the locale of their nukes so we can protect them from the Taliban!
Oh, in case you have been trying to learn to read, or to participate in an online discussion group without being the laughing stock, or brushing up on your uber partisan talking points...the Taliban is over running Pakistan.
Come on, pay attention, at least read the post first.
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
No, not really ...
But I have noticed the alarming uptick in bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan since Obama took office. I gues that those must mean he is making us safer, right?
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4GR, how could we email re: I wanted to get your opinion's on
?
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Hey Centinel.
I sent you a reply to your email. Did you get it or did it fall into the spam bucket?
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I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Yep, all good, just busy today.
nt
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
OK, NP.
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