TGIF Open Thread

The Iranian mullahs are calling for executions .   Such a lovely country.   Methinks the Iranians have a choice to make.  

Not satisfied with the economic situation or the healthcare debate, the President makes some remarks about immigration .   Can we print money fast enough for all his plans?  I guess we're going to try.

Will Governor Sanford resign ?  Should he?  I don't think so.  I'm also a bit cynical about the whole thing.  A surprise, I know.   But liberals shouldn't be so self righteous about "their side" over this kind of thing.   The left also likes to tell people how to live, but chooses different things.

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hypocrisy

But liberals shouldn't be so self righteous about "their side" over this kind of thing.   The left also likes to tell people how to live, but chooses different things.

I don't see the wide scale and obvious hypocrisy on the left that we've seen over and over on the right.  In just the last few years we've had Ensign, Sanford, Vitter, Haggard, Craig, Foley, Fosella, and probably a few I'm forgetting.  That's just high profile flame outs.

On the left?  Edwards and Spitzer for sexual stuff.  Anything else?  Um, some people complain about Gore flying places.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Regarding sexual antics?

Agreed...sexual hypocrisy on the left is less than on the right.   I'm not saying the left is calling for bedroom inspections...unless of course the activities there cross their personal lines.  I'm sure you have them; everyone does.  To act as if liberals do not is false.  But, they don't try to legislate or moralize against them like the right has.  The GOP really needs to jettison the social conservatives.  

But the left also likes to tell people how to live.   They just don't focus on the bedroom.  Usually, the left is more concerned about the kitchen ;-)

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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I think he should resign

Not for having an affair. I couldn't care less about that. He is the governor of his state, the commander in chief of the of the SC National Guard, and he leaves the country and is completely out of contact with his staff for several days? That's just plain irresponsible.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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A picture is worth....

hmmm.

http://freedomdemocrats.org/node/3377

 Click the link, to see what protest looks like in the US as compared to Iran.

 

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Those were idiotic anrchists who were destroying property...

...and looking for confrontation in order to produce dramatic video footage. Or are you really and truly that naive?

What would you have law enforcement do? Stand there and watch those morons trash their cities!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Cap & Trade...

...F'ing nightmare!

"This amounts to the largest tax increase in American history under the guise of climate change..."

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Taxes good

I think I'd prefer a straight carbon tax, but this is precisely the kind of thing that should be taxed, a negative externality, if your beloved free market is to actually function sustainably in the real world.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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A straight carbon tax would be more fair & push us all to use

alternatives.  I figure I'll be ready to put solar panels up on my roof in about 4 or 5 years when I need to re-roof it.  The efficiency has been growing so much lately, I mean of the power outputs & what not.  I saw a verticle spinning cylinder windmill.  It was supposed to be good.   It'd be small enough to fit in a yard, or on a roof.  It looked like it would be a blender for the poor birds though,  I wonder if you could surround those things with monofilament netting...

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No one's even read this bill...

...it is beyond even the cap and trade issue alone, the bill itself is a huge disaster just waiting to happen.

Fiscal Policy: The House of Representatives is preparing to vote on an anti-stimulus package that in the name of saving the earth will destroy the American economy. Smoot-Hawley will seem like a speed bump.

Not since a misguided piece of legislation imposed tariffs that turned a recession into a depression has there been a piece of legislation as bad as Waxman-Markey.

 

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Huh?

"My'" beloved free market...?

I would hope lurking somewhere deep down beneath that eco-terrorist exterior of yours resides a inherent fondness for the American way of life...I would hope so anyway.

 

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In other words....

 those who disagree with you are eco-terrorists?

 Ask a homeless vet about his 'free market' opportunities for the American way of life.

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Say's the site ding bat...

n/t

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Surprise

 calling people names is an argument lacking any substance.

 It's just mockery. Attempting to demonize me as a person doesn't change a thing.

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If the shoe fits...

Listen ML, first of all, being one, I can assure you, if a Vet is homeless, it is very likely a matter of choice.

We have more programs than you can throw a stick at to facilitate every imaginable issue Vet's may face.

Secondly, yes I think this Bill qualifies as eco-terrorism, since it based on junk science, and we could very likely be held to excruciating bogus standards because of it, and then we will be charged with an inconceivable amount of money to pay for it.

In other news: Boy, it sure is cold this year, they say there may be no summer at all in much of the country...LOL!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Heh

Following up an ad homeneim with another common fallacy - relating weather to climate. Junk science indeed!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Then there is this...

t's a beautiful theory — highways full of electric cars emitting no greenhouse gases or pollutants after being plugged into an outlet in our garages overnight. The problem, according to a new Government Accountability Office report, is that the effort may only shift the problem somewhere else.

"If you are using coal-fired power plants, and half the country's electricity comes from coal-powered plants, are you just trading one greenhouse gas emitter for another?" asks Mark Gaffigan, co-author of the GAO report. The report itself notes: "Reductions in CO2 emissions depend on generating electricity used to charge the vehicles from lower-emission sources of energy."

The GAO report says a plug-in compact car, if recharged at an outlet drawing its power from coal, provides a carbon dioxide savings of only 4% to 5%. If the feeling of saving the environment from driving an electric car causes people to drive more, that small amount of savings vanishes entirely.

More here

 

 

 

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No duh

It's not like there is any one solution to this. Electric cars in combination with renewable energy power plants is obviously a big part of it. Electric cars in combination with coal-powered plants is not something that anyone has ever claimed to be a cure all. I'm sorry, but this is blatantly a strawman argument. Bleah.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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I just wonder

 why folks who value economics as resource based, think that folks should be allowed to foul the very resources they rely on to create wealth.  

 

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Not when you want to grow government...

...and spend taxpayers money to do it its not!

Historically innovation has come from the private sector, and it's merit or failure was proven by the needs and wants of the marketplace.

This is a radical departure from that.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Nobody wants to grow government

 That is just rhetoric to  scare you with.

 What people want is a government that works. A government where FEMA functions effectively, the SEC functions effectively and all the rest.

 The most classic example of this idiotic fallacy that innovation comes ONLY from the private sector is the space program. The government set a priority and helped fund a mission to land on the moon. The side benefits to private enterprise that have arisen out of that single 'big government' program are too numerous to list.

 Big government set out to conquer polio. That was so horrible.

 Big government made sure that you can read what ingredients are in your food. So awful.

 The innovation that came from the 'private' sector is what broke the banks, that led to the global economic meltdown. Zero down for a mortgage with no income verification allowed speculators (not poor black people, speculators) to use the real estate market like a gambling casino. 

 This is a radical departure from that, your statement of fact, always leaves out what happened to the markets in Sept of 08. None of this would have happened if the evil scary big government supervisory board, known has the SEC had done it's job. An effective government could have prevented this whole mess. What we have now is largely a government that is bought and paid for by private industry. 

 You could say that private industry has innovated itself, right into the halls of Congress to write the laws they like.

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You're joking, surely...

 That is just rhetoric to  scare you with.

No, it is an awful reality that does scare me. In the last eight months the federal government has gone berserk, now we're looking at health care, cap and trade...the stimulus has failed miserably, and yet laughbly liberals are looking for more, with only 10% of this one poorly dispersed, it is just appalling!

 What people want is a government that works. A government where FEMA functions effectively, the SEC functions effectively and all the rest.

Then make it smaller and more efficient.

Then say maybe just enforce the rules that are already on the damn books instead of making more...

 The most classic example of this idiotic fallacy that innovation comes ONLY from the private sector is the space program. The government set a priority and helped fund a mission to land on the moon. The side benefits to private enterprise that have arisen out of that single 'big government' program are too numerous to list.

Great, NASA, I'll agree there.

Shall I list the 95% of government that doesn't work worth a sh!t?

 Big government set out to conquer polio. That was so horrible.

BS, March of Dimes cured Polio with the help of the great Dr. Salk.

 Big government made sure that you can read what ingredients are in your food. So awful.

Sure, it says 100% juice when in fact there is no real juice in it, the FDA is a complete and utter failure.

 The innovation that came from the 'private' sector is what broke the banks, that led to the global economic meltdown. Zero down for a mortgage with no income verification allowed speculators (not poor black people, speculators) to use the real estate market like a gambling casino. 

No again. That was the genius of your liberal meddlers in Congress my friend. And please, stop confusing yourself and making the investors and firms on Wall Street the sole representitives of Private Enterprise.

Private enterprise created almost every beneficial aspect of your life you can think of.

 This is a radical departure from that, your statement of fact, always leaves out what happened to the markets in Sept of 08. None of this would have happened if the evil scary big government supervisory board, known has the SEC had done it's job. An effective government could have prevented this whole mess. What we have now is largely a government that is bought and paid for by private industry. 

There is a role for government, sure, and a smaller, more efficient SEC that simply enforced the rules as they existed would have been great, but government had grown so unwieldy and literally unmanageable, that couldn't happen.

 You could say that private industry has innovated itself, right into the halls of Congress to write the laws they like.

Or you could say the liberals F'd our country royally, and have gotten away with it, so far.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Jay Walking

It's a beautiful theory — highways full of electric cars emitting no greenhouse gases or pollutants after being plugged into an outlet in our garages overnight.

Looks a lot like IBD might have been talking to sources after Jay Leno was done with them....

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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You're smarter than me, obviously...?

Looks a lot like IBD might have been talking to sources after Jay Leno was done with them....

You'll have to come again for us slow folks...

 

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stw

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mo...

That should be enough when taking into account the blockquote strawman from the article by IBD.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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You want me to google - to unravel your cryptic nonsense...

...nevermind.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Jay Leno has a very long

I didn't think that skit was that esoteric.

 

Jay Leno has a very long running skit, "Jay Walking" in which he ask current event/basic knowledge questions to people that have no clue what's going on in the world in regards to those questions. The blockquote I used was as if it was written about the world view of one of those people featured in "Jay Walking" at best for the author of that IBD article.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Ah, you mean everyday Americans...

...like the kind that fell for the whole Obama routine. lol! ;-)

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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I don't think that word means what you think it means.

...we will be charged with an inconceivable amount of money to pay for it.

$175 is inconcievable?

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Meh...Be honest about it!

It will mean significantly higher energy prices, for everyone everywhere in America, businesses will have to spend billions to retrofit there operations, we will ultimately pay for that, etc, etc, etc!

All for what is a questionable theory at best...Inconceivable indeed!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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That's kind of the point

Higher fossil-fuel-based energy prices, businesses upgrading to more efficient operations, consumers either conserving energy or relying on sustainable sources... those are good things!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Oh, lol, I see...

...the idea is - during a recession, to strap an already economically challenged America with even higher utility prices, gasoline prices, etc, and burden American enterprise with even more expensive government bureaucracy and regulation!

All for a fraudulent populist "theory"!

STUPIDITY!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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It's a time to innovate

 the markets have had decades to look for a resource replacement to fossil fuels. They just haven't had the profit motive.

 The limits set in over years,  to give the innovators and entrepreneurs ample opportunity to figure out a way to profit by coming up with new products. All of this will put engineers to work, drafters to work, scientists to work, and eventually a labor force to work, making things.

 There will be no immediate harsh economic consequences to your utility & energy prices. But there will be incentive to makes changes that bring us into a better future.

 

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Please ML, do some, at least the basic research before you...

...continue to make a fool of yourself posting nonsense, without any basis, because you wish it were so, but simply is just not true. 

You do this sort of thing constantly;

There will be no immediate harsh economic consequences to your utility & energy prices.

Your choice of a deity, Obama himself, said "energy prices will skyrocket"!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Who's the fool?

What ML said is true. There is absolutely no contradiction between the two statements you have set against each other, because the effects are in fact phased in over a number of years. (Basic research would have shown you that!) Particularly when one understands that in the context of the quote, Obama was saying that coal and other fossil-fuel-based energy prices are the ones that will skyrocket.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Spoken like a true enviro-nut, ha!

You both are either talking out of the side of your mouths and living in some make believe world of your own, or you are astoundingly naive!

Ever notice when there is a conflict somewhere, or whatever it may be, and energy prices spike the very next day, but take weeks, even months to come back down...well they're going up baby, way up, and right f'ing now if this hunk of crap passes the Senate (thank God it likely will not), and they're not coming down for a long, long, long time!

The fact is, prices will go up immediately SL, and steadily rise even more from there.

Oh, according to your fossil fuel prices skyrocketing is just some nominal occurrence ideas, well SL, it's not for the rest of us who have to suffer under these absurd, and totally unnecessary increases in energy prices and expanded government overhead only to appease the latest fad promoted by a bunch of over zealous enviro-wacko's who cling to their thoroughly dis-proven pet theory that was based on junk science to begin with!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Yeesh

So now the talking point has gone from "It's undecided" to "it's thoroughly dis-proven!" And you call us the wackos!!! Lawl.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Well it is..

...and yes, you are a wacko , environmentally speaking of course. ;-)

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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I believe you once said something like:

Posting nonsense, without any basis, because you wish it were so, does not make it true.

Of course you can continue to believe whatever you want. You can continue to make preposterous statements and not even bother to provide any facts to back them up. I suppose if your goal is to spread ignorance, than that is one way to try to achieve your goals. I hope it is not particularly effective, but who knows? People are often willing to grasp at any straws they can to maintain their world view.

Edit: Ah, I see that now you have at least added a link. Good for you!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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You are definately on the short end of the facts stick pal...

Trofimko Lysenko is not a household name; but it should be, because he was the model for all the Politically Correct "science" in the last hundred years. Lysenko was Stalin's favorite agricultural "scientist," peddling the myth that crops could be just trained into growing bigger and better. You didn't have to breed better plants over generations, as farmers have been doing for ages. It was a fantasy of the all-powerful Soviet State. Lysenko sold Stalin on that fraud in plant genetics, and Stalin told Soviet scientists to fall into line --- in spite of the fact that nobody really believed it. Hundreds of thousands of peasants starved during Stalin's famines, in good part because of fraudulent science. 

There is such a thing as pathological science. Science becomes unhealthy when its only real question, "what is true?" is sabotaged by vested interests, by ideological commissars, or even by grant-swinging scientists. Today's Global Warming campaign has endangering real, honest science. Global Warming superstition has become an international power grab, and good science suffers as a result.
 

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The fact stick?

 Leaping into the murky depths of soviet conspiracy because folks want to breathe clean air and drink clean water? That is the short end of the fact stick.

 The easy route is for markets to pollute away. It seems like you would at least want to honor gods creation, the earth, by not defiling it with man made poisons. Besides clean rivers and lakes make for better fishing.

 We are going to have to get that fact stick and beat you about the head (figure of speech), to get you to understand that this is not some crazed conspiracy, just people wanting to honor their humble and majestic home.

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The Russian analogy is an accurate one ML, like it or not...

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You are correct, it is accurate

But not in the way you are suggesting.

Lysenko rejected the scientific consensus on Mendelian genetics and had too much influence on the politics of his country, much like Martin Durkin, the producer of The Great Global Warming Swindle (quite nicely debunked here ), or Steven Milloy, the Philip Morris/ExxonMobil-paid flunky who runs junkscience.com, reject the scientific consensus on climate change and are having too much influence on today's politics.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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The Obama EPA blocks it's own report and suppresses findings

...investigation into the Environmental Protection Agency's alleged suppression of a report that questioned the science behind global warming. 

The 98-page report, co-authored by EPA analyst Alan Carlin, pushed back on the prospect of regulating gases like carbon dioxide as a way to reduce global warming. Carlin's report argued that the information the EPA was using was out of date, and that even as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have increased, global temperatures have declined.

"He came out with the truth. They don't want the truth at the EPA,"...

More here

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This was not "suppressed"

What a crock! An economist with no scientific background presents an unsolicited report with no original science in it at all, and then cries foul when the EPA follows its own guidelines of acceptance and doesn't include his paper in their report.

So in summary, what we have is a ragbag collection of un-peer reviewed web pages, an unhealthy dose of sunstroke, a dash of astrology and more cherries than you can poke a cocktail stick at. Seriously, if that's the best they can do, the EPA's ruling is on pretty safe ground.

More here !

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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It gets even funnier

It appears that this "suppressed report" not only relied on un-peer-reviewed web pages as sources, but it in fact has chunks that are completely plagiarized from a blog post attacking the EPA!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Classic

I love this line from the Fox story you link to:

Carlin said he's concerned that he's seeing "science being decided at the presidential level." 

"Now Mr. Obama is in effect directly or indirectly saying that CO2 causes global temperatures to rise and that we have to do something about it. ... That's normally a scientific judgment and he's in effect judging what the science says," he said. "We need to look at it harder."

Ha! I guess it doesn't matter that 95% of all climate scientists agree on this point, it's Obama making the decision! What a joke.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Funny, these were the lines that jumped out to me...

It's very obvious to everyone the Obama administration does not want to hear from anyone except those that tow the line...

Carlin said McGartland told him he had to pull him off the climate change issue. 

"It was reassigning you or losing my job, and I didn't want to lose my job," Carlin said, paraphrasing what he claimed were McGartland's comments to him. "My inference (was) that he was receiving some sort of higher-level pressure." 

Carlin said he personally does not think there is a need to regulate carbon dioxide, since "global temperatures are going down." He said his report expressed a "good bit of doubt" on the connection between the two. 

Specifically, the report noted that global temperatures were on a downward trend over the past 11 years, that scientists do not necessarily believe that storms will become more frequent or more intense due to global warming, and that the theory that temperatures will cause Greenland ice to rapidly melt has been "greatly diminished." 

Carlin, in a March 16 e-mail, argued that his comments are "valid, significant" and would be critical to the EPA finding. 

McGartland, though, wrote back the next day saying he had decided not to forward his comments. 

"The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision," he wrote, according to the e-mails released by CEI. "I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office." 

He later wrote an e-mail urging Carlin to "move on to other issues and subjects."

They fire Inspector Generals without due rationale , just because he did his job and busted Obama's buddy committing fraud, they selectively give access to favorable media denying dissenting opinion, this is just more of the same style of politics!

Pretty scary stuff!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Maybe he was reassigned

...because he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

"global temperatures are going down."

Uh, no they are not .

Even if you can't bring yourself to read the whole thing, at least look at the graphs and try to educate yourself about what is really going on, not what a bunch of agenda-driven non-scientists want you to believe is going on.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Keeping a death grip on the thing that defines who you are...

...I understand. LOL .

Even though global tempertures will drop slightly this year as a result of the cooling effects of the La Nina current in the Pacific, MMCCers are already spinning the bad news–for them–into more predictions of coming man-made doom.

The World Meteorological Organization’s secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.
This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory.

But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend - and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.

The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has only risen by 0.74C.

Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any particular year is larger than these small temperature differences. What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.

So, let’s get this straight. When the temperature over 100 years raises less than a degree, the earth is headed for a disaster that only Al Gore and more government control can prevent.

But when the earth cools by the same amount in one year, it’s nothing?

You have to hand it to the MMCCers: can’t let a little science get into the way of a perfectly good hysteria.

 

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This is funny

Or at least it would be if there were not so many ignorant people who are duped by this sort of argument. You were obviously completely unphased by the FACTS that were presented to you in my previous reply, since you just come back with the same dumb and incorrect argument as before. If you wish to continue to wallow in your ignorance, so be it. But one final point that I cannot leave unchallenged:

When the temperature over 100 years raises less than a degree, the earth is headed for a disaster that only Al Gore and more government control can prevent.

But when the earth cools by the same amount in one year, it’s nothing?

This is just an outright lie. We haven't even come close to a one-year drop in temperature equivalent to the increase over the past century. The argument presented is incredibly weak as it is, which explains the need to pile on utter fabrications on top of it, I suppose. Not that there is much credibility to begin with here, but any that there may have been was tossed away with that little line of B.S.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Cap and Trade Bill Info Everyone Should Read...

...because no one's reading the 1200+ page hunk of crap itself that's for sure, including Congress!

Part 5 - Getting more expensive to put lipstick on a pig

June 26, 2009

Warren Buffett, when talking about the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill, says simply, “It’s a tax”.

Entities as varied as the National Black Chamber of Commerce, The Brookings Institution and the Heritage Foundation agree cap and trade will reduce national GDP, eliminate jobs and lighten family wallets.
Read More »

Part 4 - All cap and trade programs are not created equal.

June 25, 2009

Proponents of Waxman-Markey argue that the CO2 cap and trade bill is similar to the cap and trade program enacted by the Clean Air Act of 1990 (CAA), which reduced the sulfur emissions that cause acid rain.

Not quite. 
Read More »

Part 3 - "Cap and Trade" 101

June 24, 2009

Recently, the U.S. House Energy and Commerce Committee began debating the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill.  The tentacles of the massive 900+ page legislation will reach into every aspect of American life and significantly impact our national economic and energy security.
Read More »

Part 2 - The Endangerment Finding

June 23, 2009

Earlier today, Texas submitted comments to EPA’s April 17th “endangerment finding” that six greenhouse gases, including C02, cause or contribute to global warming.  EPA’s finding was the first official action taken by the federal government to regulate carbon dioxide and could lead to regulations for almost anything that emits carbon dioxide – power plants, refineries, cars, hospitals, schools, restaurants, churches and farms.
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Part 1 - Cap and Trade Blog Series

June 22, 2009

Democrats in Congress, joined with the Obama administration, are proceeding along parallel tracks to impose CO2 regulations so sweeping as to become the most expensive and expansive environmental reach of government into the lives of American families, businesses and consumers in history.
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Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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A preview of a future ABC Nightly News Broadcast...

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We're

 doomed!

 Get ready for the rapture.

 

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Listen, this is fruitless, we are of different minds here...

....but I will leave you with this.

I am ultimately simply flabbergasted that we would spend 4 more trillion dollars we SO DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND on an investment in slightly lowering our footprint when China will just continue to dump more and more and more nd more garbage in the atmosphere.

It's like pissing in the wind.

This is not a problem we can make any difference in whatsoever without China on board, and they are just not, and won't be for decades, if ever. This whole topic is a joke to them, they see it as just another silly waste of time and part of the general decline of America!

Why lay this on the American economy right now, especially now, during a time we need to be focusing on making an economic come back, this is just bad news all the way around!

 

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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That is a different argument

...which I still think is wrong, but I can at least understand to a certain extent. "It's hopeless, so why bother trying?"

Obviously, China is an important part of the process, and there is action on that front . Passing legislation in this country is a key step to getting other countries like China and India on board. And those countries probably have a lot more to lose from rising sea levels, for one thing, so I don't think it is at all hopeless that they will come on board.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Trust me, the Chinese will never pull something as stupid...

...as this, they are doing the exact opposite. They may talk about it in fancy diplomatic talks or international seminars to play the game, they're great at that just look at their human rights record, but I can assure you, they will never ever in a million years do anything remotely like this.

 

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No offense, but...

I don't think I will ever trust a Republican when it comes to their absolute surety about any foreign country. The government of China has in fact already made official announcements regarding CO2 emission limits, so they are at the very least admitting there is a problem - better than what the U.S. was doing for most of the past 8 years.

Yeah, I know, you're gonna say it's just words. But like I said, no, I don't trust you. Sorry. I have no reason to.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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LOL! But you sure have an abundance of of reasons to trust...

...the...Communist Chinese?

Especially considering, despite the policy differences, and the contentious bi-partisan ranker that may occur, Republicans are Americans too, and are only doing as are the Democrats what they believe is best for the Nation.

I somehow question whether the Chinese dictators have that interest at heart...

But give it your best shot, after all, they've been so honest, forthcoming,  and sincere in the past, from everything from the gymnasts on their woman's Olympic team , to their improvements on human rights , and everything in between!

Good luck with that one, ha-ha.

Frankly your implication is ridiculous, and also somewhat insulting.

(FYI, 1stly - I do not lie, and 2ndly - I am not a Republican.)

 

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Where did I say that you lied?

I just don't trust your opinion is all. I tend to be wary of any opinion that claims 100% surety about anything (particularly so if it involves the motivations of a country/culture that is foreign to that of the speaker). Oh, and sorry if the implication that you are a Republican was insulting, if that's what you meant! :)

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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No worries...

...at least in terms of insulting me that is... ;-)

 

 

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You can cite a thousand oil representatives

 and lobbyists who hire ghost writers to work up hit pieces against dealing with climate issues and their right to pollute for profit.

  Clean drinking, water and clean air to breathe are priorities for sustaining life, regardless. 

  The rhetoric from the right is so over the top, it would be amusing if it weren't for the gun toting mental cases that want to 'eliminate' the problem.

 How can anyone take your side seriously when you use such over the top rhetoric.

Obama is just like Hitler and fascism, except for when he is just like Stalin and communism, except for when he is just like Chavez and socialism, except for when he is just like Paris Hilton and a celebrity.   

 The scare tactics just aren't working for me.

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You are the hyperbole queen I'll give you that! LOL!

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Junk Science

Well, let's see, the link you provide successfully debunks a whole bunch of strawmen. Here is a list of some of the arguments they are "disproving"

  1. Greenhouse gases work the same way as an actual glass greenhouse
  2. Greenhouse gases do not allow any heat to escape from the atmosphere
  3. The greenhouse effect is categorically and objectively bad
  4. CO2 is categorically and objectively bad
  5. CO2 is the only greenhouse gas
  6. Average global temperature is the best metric for climate change
  7. Greenhouse gas molecules absorb and then re-emit the "same" energy, unchanged

That's all well and good, but no one is actually making any of those claims.Meh.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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One has to ask why, however,

 One has to ask why Obama rolled over and parted his butt-cheeks for the coal companies, knowing full well the consequences of coal as energy:  more pollution, more acid rain, and more blowing up of mountain tops in order to  mine the coal.  Also, there's no such thing as "clean coal".  That's baloney.

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If only we could dream our dreams

 and take on all the windmills.

  The reason Obama parted his butt cheeks as you so delicately suggest, is likely part politics and part reality.

  If you take away an energy source you need something to replace it with first. 

 Imagine the hue and cry if you went to turn on your computer one day and there was no electricity because coal mining had ceased. Stopping coal power would mean limiting electric output, or as the right would frame it, let the energy rationing begin.

 I agree wholeheartedly with the goal of clean energy, but you can't just wave a magic wand and change the whole system overnight, without thinking through all the consequences.

 

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Someone should certainly pass that along to Obama...

 I agree wholeheartedly with the goal of clean energy [or the economy, or the housing market, or GM, or...], but you can't just wave a magic wand and change the whole system overnight, without thinking through all the consequences.

LOL!

Sadly, he would not have listened anyway...

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Nevermind

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As for Mark Sanford...

As you may not know, I am not only a supporter of Mark's, I am his neighbor as well. He and Jenny live on Sullivan's Island and we are on the Isle of Palms, the two are one community really connected by a small inlet overpass. We often see Jenny at the market and our kids play together on the stretch of beach between our houses.

So, as you can imagine, as it would with any couple facing this situation we were saddened and shocked by the news. My thoughts are with Jenny and the kids.

Though I do not know Mark Sanford well, I have spent some time with him, and I will be the first to tell you this is not a man prone to adolescent flirtation or imprudent motivations, so it took me particularly by surprise when this all came to light.

Then I read the emails for myself, and discovered they revealed a side of the man I had not known. He writes eloquently and with profound honesty about what his life was like and what was happening between the two.

The more I read, the more I got the sense this was not some random fling, not some passing infatuation, but rather a man who was profoundly unhappy, and had found love.

I would never defend his foolish behavior surrounding the whole thing, I do certainly grant the man the right to be human.

Let's face it, ultimately it boils down to nothing more than that;

They weren’t quite Petrarch’s sonnets to Laura, but South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford’s emails to his Argentine friend reveal a man both tortured and in love.

As such, he doesn’t fit the template of more familiar fallen men in America’s political arena. He didn’t hire a prostitute. He didn’t send lascivious emails to underlings. He didn’t behave oddly in a public restroom or solicit sex online. He didn’t hear those three little words—“You’re so hot”—and lose his senses. He didn’t plunder whatever was handy and try to parse the definition of sex.

I wish Jenny and the boys well, and though I am sad he jeopardized his career and behaved recklessly, I still strongly support Gov. Sanford's political philosophy.

 

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I do think Sanford

 was profoundly unhappy on some level. Who knows why the heart pulls one away from everything that is sensible and rationale. But that is the beauty of love. It doesn't make sense.

 I would like to see Sanford follow his heart, and resign his position as Governor and move to Argentina. He will be haunted by demons and be unable to be an effective public servant or husband, if he doesn't stop pretending to be something he is not.

  Mark Sanford, not only violated his marriage vows, but he abused the public trust by spending tax dollars to indulge an affair of the heart. IN both instances he violated what he publicly and often  flaunted as  Gods unbending universal code written in stone, that he himself berated others for not adhering to.  

 

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Ya, like Bill Clinton, right?

Don't be a hypocrite yourself ML.

At least he was actually in love, and is doing the right things to make ammends.

Bill just cheated on his wife while he used and abused his office, ruined an interns life, and humiliated the entire country...and then he lied about it! Under oath!

I bet you weren't erging everyone to send him back to Arkansas though! LOL!

You are such a hack!

 

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But look

so and so did this and that. therefore my guy is less guilty because (insert excuse here).

Let's put it in black and white.

Mark Sanford violated his sacred marriage vows. 

Mark Sanford used tax money to indulge his affair.

All the parsing in the world and splitting of hairs isn't going to change those facts.

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You love to selectively disregard logic...

...not that you'd know it when you see it...

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Mark was in love

 therefore it is okay for him to violate his sacred wedding vows? Talk about disregarding logic.

 May I remind you that Republicans are the party that runs around sanctimoniously screaming that they own God, and that they subscribe to a higher standards regarding family values.

 

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On the other hand, though,

 first of all, Monica Lewinsky, Linda Tripp and Paula Jones were pretty cheap trash themselves, and while it's agreed that sexual harassment is a huge problem in our society and throughout the world, this whole case makes a mockery out of that.  Don't forget that these women were consenting adults who got involved in this crap on their own.  Bill Clinton may have exihibited disgusting personal behaviour,  but Monica, Linda and Paula shouldn't have risen to the bait.  They're old enough t o know better.

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The article seems to suggest

 that he wasn't vulgar about his affair, therefore above the general fray, while violating his marriage vows?

 That's a bit much. Of all the politicians who violated their marriage vows, the article suggests that Mark Sanford is obviously the most honorable, because he didn't say, "You're so hot". That's just ludicrous.

 

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The Crass Headline of the Day Award

Will The Supreme Court Pull the Trigger?

This headline wins the award for the most crassly insensitive description of eliminating (the black threat) affirmative action. The Supreme Court will rule on the much discussed Ricci case today.

 To think that the folks at Powerlineblog consider themselves to be the intellectual heavy weights on the right while using this eliminationist, 'pull the trigger' rhetoric. What are they thinking?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023922.php

Yet in both cases, the Supreme Court did not pull the trigger. In the Voting Rights case, it ended up ducking the constitutional issue. In the school cases, only four Justices would flatly endorse the view that race-based assignments cannot be used to achieve a particular racial balance for its own sake.

  

 

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-4 (Reaching too deep in the overy irascible PC bag of tricks)

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What's wrong with ovaries

 Oh I suppose some would say your little headline is humorous, even though it bears zero relevance to the subject and is a redirected personal attack that people with ovaries (note the correct spelling) are possessed of the stupid sensitivity problem.

I suppose the right  could generally counteract 'too sensitive, caring and empathetic, by making fun of people and being obnoxious bullies, against policies they consider too effete. But really someone has to nurture the children.

Yet again you offer up name calling and personal slander generalized in the female direction as if it were a substantive argument.

Pathetic.

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LOL...I meant "overly"....

....and um, ML, in case you never noticed, it is an "ovary"...not an "overy", to which you are referring...

But thank you for proving my point just perfectly in the process!

...LOL...

 

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The point is you can't spell!

  Based on your posting history ovary was a fine interpretation as any other.  

  Your spelling correction doesn't do much to change the lack of substance regarding a headline that reads, 'pull the trigger' when discussing race issues.

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My posting history, what a good one considering the source! LOL

WTF is that supposed to mean?

You are a virtual laughing stock. Read your own history! Thread after thread after thread of SC member upon SC member employing every method at their disposal simply to get you to substantiate your rhetoric, be consistent, and just plain act rationally! It's a f'ing embarrassment!

Your posting history is abysmal!

When it comes to language skills my kooky, misguided SC friend, let's just say you leave much to be desired, so I would stick to your strengths if I were you, if you can identify any that is. 

As far as facts go, one sad fact that has not changed around here ML, is your constantly playing your self anointed, over dramatic, verbose spokesperson for the moonbat crowd routine.

Evidently you just can not help yourself, and find it necessary to constantly make pathetically predictable, ubiquitously absurd, and largely unsubstantiated comments. This goes on daily, on every conceivable issue any SC member may post, you just continue to humiliate yourself doing so, and you do so regardless if you have the slightest idea WTF you are talking about.

 

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OK, you've edited this several times

...and each one has gotten worse and more personal. Let's just stop this now, shall we? This path is going nowhere good.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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This just illuminates

 what I stated above.

  If confronted on points of disagreement, instead of addressing the substance with any compassion or a sense of walking a mile in the other guys shoes, the right gets personal, completely avoiding the issue and demonizing those with whom they disagree. (in other words you can dish it out, but you can't take it.)

As I mentioned in another post today it is quite ironic that 'compassionate conservatives' want a meritocracy, a system  that operates outside of any quivering emotionalism, regarded as insultingly effete to the male ego.

 Yet in today's  ruling, those to the right in the Supreme Court showed their ovaries, over turning precedent, by going out of their way to show compassion and empathize with Ricci.

 

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You wouldn't know "substance" if it bit you in the a$$!

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Change...well you got what you asked for...

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Oh god

 The world is going to end! Your mock hysteria is palpable.

 Cry me a river for the CEO's who get fools like you to believe that tax cuts for the wealthy are the best thing since sliced bread.

 And who stole all the money while  you preached that the world was going to end, if there was  one iota more of 'big government' interference in free market?

 Capitalism without rules is theft. If you don't think so, you are a sucker.

 All that is going on is a re-establishment of some balance and you act like it's the end of the world. You poor dear.

 

 

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