News Cycle Roundup : One Half Down

Happy July 1! In the Cycle Today: California Schemin,' Sanford has more for ya, drug bans, climate bills, and Wal-Mart's back!

 

Down Goes California!  California is down! seriously, is there any big state out there who can get together and make state government work?

New York Can! Well, not really . The children in the Senate are still throwing tantrums.

Mark Sanford had a chance to escape our cycle roundup, but he has another story to tell . A lot more:

Sanford told The Associated Press he had more romantic meetings with his Argentinian lover, Maria Belen Chapur, than he previously admitted, including two trysts in New York.

 

Sanford told the news agency he also had “crossed the line” with other women.

Yeah yeah, we know..you've been love struck. Harlequinn's on line 2, Governor.

 

NYT: John Roberts has shifted the Court to the right . *Cues Scary Music*

 

I'm going into surgery this month, my second. Last time, I was put on 2 post-surgical painkillers--Percocet (and later) Vicodin. Now I find the FDA is moving to ban these drugs . Now this present more questions than answers.

Nate Silver pulls together some interesting numbers on the Climate Bill and it's likelihood of passing (with cool statistics stuff).


Wal-Mart gets behind employer mandates for health insurance.

We are for an employer mandate which is fair and broad in its coverage," said the letter, signed by Wal-Mart Chief Executive Mike Duke. Andrew Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, also signed the letter, along with John Podesta, who led President Obama's transition team and is chief executive of the Center for American Progress, a liberal-leaning think tank.

 

Hmm..

So what's on your mind today SC?

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The hypocricy just is astounding...

Recalling Candidate Obama on Signing Statements:

A quick, further note to co-blogger John Elwood's posts on the Obama administration's use of signing statements. I'm sure someone has mentioned this in the comments somewhere, but over at Opinio Juris, Julian Ku has posted up video of then-candidate Obama denouncing the use of signing statements and promising not to use them. "

Hypocrisy" is a strong word, but I'll agree with Julian that it fits in this case; likewise the shrug from President Obama's supporters that heck, all presidents do it. Yes, of course, all presidents do it. Not all presidents do it, however, after promising not to do it. It's not the fact of doing it, it's the fact of breaking the promise, and with the complete confidence that no one of any significance will call you on it, starting with the press. The video is fascinating viewing as an artifact from the media memory hole, and thanks to Julian for putting it up.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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What kind of signing statements?

Are they the standard kind that says how great the bill is or do they purport to interpret the law?  The former are inconsequential.

If they are the latter, Obama should be censured, and then impeached if he continues.  If Obama believes a particular part of a law is unconstitutional, he has the duty to veto it.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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Well, Obama made a big to do over the fact...

...that Bush had used them and became rather infamous for it.

So it is, well typical at this stage, for Obama to once again find himself saying one thing and doing the another.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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I'm talking about these

Wikipedia:

Until the 1980s, with some exceptions, signing statements were generally triumphal, rhetorical, or political proclamations and went mostly unannounced.

When signing a bill, it was not unusual for a President to talk about how the bill would provide relief to a certain segment of the population or something along those lines.  Those don't matter, and in any case, were not what Obama and other detractors were talking about.

However,

During his presidential campaign, Obama stated he would not use signing statements. On March 11, 2009, President Obama issued his first signing statement, attached to the omnibus spending bill for the second half of FY2009. [18] The statement indicated that the President would ignore several provisions of the bill, including sections dealing with negotiations with foreign governments, restrictions on US involvement in UN peacekeeping missions, protections for government whistleblowers, and certain congressional claims of authority over spending.

Congress should indeed censure President Obama for prima facie violation of the oath of his office.  If he should issue such a similar signing statement, he should be impeached and removed from office immediately.

A President who signs a bill into law that he believes has provisions repugnant to the Constitution is not preserving, protecting, or defending the Constitution of the United States.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Speaking of hypocrisy

 Mark Sanford gives a whole new meaning to the Republican slogan, "Drill, baby Drill".

 Not only did he drill his Argentian mistress, he drilled the taxpayers of his state to pay for it.

 Why won't Mark Sanford release his financial records, as he promised? Is he afraid we will see how much tax money he spent chasing skirts?

 Everyone has their favorite flavor or hypocrisy, don't they centinel.

 

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Actually it is very easy to find the hypocrites

They have a "D" or "R" next to their name.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Or look up

 any name in the phone book.

 

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I'm sure there are lots of politicians who fit the bill...

...but this happens to be our President, it's really sad he has found himself officially smack dab in the middle of that notorious group, particularly considering the promise and optimism he garnered with all his phoney rhetoric during the campaign.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Speaking of phoney

 that reminds me, wasn't it Sanford that was for not wasting tax payer money? Drill baby drill.

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What? Two wrongs make right? You are an idiot.

n/t necessary!

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Keep the gloves above the belt

"You are an idiot" is not a productive comment.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Ok, "Her deportment is consistent with that of an idiot."

Better?

Listen, anyone who comments habitually on posts they don't even have any comprehension of qualifies.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Fair enough

That's the bare minimum.

Showing us all why a particular poster has opinions that are untenable is the way to go.  Don't take anything for granted.  Not everyone here believes that limited government is a virtue.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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That's an understatement... ;-)

But you're right, and I know better, she just gets me so frustrated...LOL!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Is the media FINALLY waking up?

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Can you cite the

 question that Nico Pitney asked, on behalf of the Iranian people.

 Did the question stump the President?

 Why would the President call on someone and then not have a pat answer for the question.

 This whole 'issue' of a rigged question is just another case of the right grasping at straws. I call baloney.

 Tell me what THE rigged question was.  Bet you don't even know. 

 

 

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You obviously did not even watch the video, no surprise!

You never know what the hell you're talking about anyway.

This was about the rigged "townhall" the Obama scammers are producing.

Keep up the good work there ML...

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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You are right

 I never watch the video's you post. 

 It's all about slamming the President, over his every breath.

What else is new from you? 

 Hey did you hear the one about how Obama is gonna raise your taxes and give welfare to all the black people.

 Bonus tip: Don't fill out your census form, cause I hear Obama is a power mad authoritarian who wants to put you in an interment camp.

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Hey, please, Don't watch!

But then don't comment for Gods sake!

You suffer from a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth!

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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The human condition, then

  Mark Sanford and I have something in common? 

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For your family's sake, I certainly hope not.

n/t

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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just diarrhea of the mouth

 Everyone has it occasionally. Although I don't get to indulge myself with tax payer funded 'business trips'.

 My family is happy and healthy thank you very much.

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Well then...

I don't know if besides being a adulterer, he has also been found to be the unhinged poster of pathological prattle.

If so, you'd be right in that case.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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He's just a pathological spender

 of your state tax money. 

 Sanford prattled on 'taking a stand' on government spending gaining a cult following  by insisting on not taking stimulus money for teachers, and the unemployed.

 He came totally unhinged and used tax money to stimulate his narcissitic teenage urges.

  The only slavery he is experiencing isn't from taxes, as he claimed, it is from being enslaved by his big fat ego. He can't see past his own nose. 

 His wife should be glad to be rid of him.

 

 

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Scalia Sides With Liberals on the Court!

 Why this didn't get more play, I don't know. This is a huge deal.

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/justices-rule-that-states-c...

 In a stinging rebuke of the Bush administration, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4, that States enforcers of consumer protection laws gained power. Anton Scalia wrote the opinion, in which he decided with the liberal side of the court!

 Senator Patrick J. Leahy, celebrated the decision as  “a check against the former Bush administration’s attempt to prohibit state law from protecting consumers.”

 In a statement, New York’s current attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo, called the decision “a huge win for consumers across the nation.” In a reference to the nation’s economic crisis, Mr. Cuomo added, “the court has recognized that fair lending and consumer protection — the cornerstones of a sound economy — require the cooperative efforts of both the states and the federal government.”

 Writing for a 5-to-4 majority, Justice Antonin Scalia concluded that the attorney general had not been engaged in the broad “visitorial powers” reserved by the federal government, in which the government acts like a supervisor with free access to bank records on demand.

 At issue in the case was disproportionally high rates charged to minority borrowers, by CitiGroup, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo. Eliot Spitzer (one of my heroes) had requested information from the banks on the disparities of loan rates to minorities, and the banks sued claiming they did not have to reveal the information.

 What is most interesting to me is that this law has stood since 1864 and over the years the limits of bank secrecy have been pushed to the max. Secondly, is the banks seem to have been given or  taken on an authority, especially during the Bush years,  a power almost as if they were a nation unto themselves. This is a first step into eroding that power.

 James Tierney called  the case a stinging defeat for the large banks and federal regulators who have worked for years to stop states from enforcing state consumer protection and antidiscrimination laws.”

 Yeah!!!!

 

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Who 'won' the Iraq War?

 Iran.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/02/saddam-iran-threat/

  According to Saddam Huesein he feared Iran more than the US. He specifically was afraid that Iran would take over Southern Iraq.

  Saddam “felt so vulnerable to the perceived threat from ‘fanatic’ leaders in Tehran that he would have been prepared to seek a ‘security agreement with the United States  to protect [Iraq] from threats in the region.’” If that could not happen, only then, he said, would Iraq reconstitute its WMD programs.

 
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Pravda on the Potomac sells its soul to the highest bidder...

For $25,000 to $250,000, The Washington Post is offering lobbyists and association executives off-the-record, nonconfrontational access to "those powerful few" — Obama administration officials, members of Congress, and the paper’s own reporters and editors.

The astonishing offer is detailed in a flier circulated Wednesday to a health care lobbyist, who provided it to a reporter because the lobbyist said he feels it’s a conflict for the paper to charge for access to, as the flier says, its “health care reporting and editorial staff."

The offer — which essentially turns a news organization into a facilitator for private lobbyist-official encounters — is a new sign of the lengths to which news organizations will go to find revenue at a time when most newspapers are struggling for survival.

And it's a turn of the times that a lobbyist is scolding The Washington Post for its ethical practices.

"Underwriting Opportunity: An evening with the right people can alter the debate," says the one-page flier. "Underwrite and participate in this intimate and exclusive Washington Post Salon, an off-the-record dinner and discussion at the home of CEO and Publisher Katharine Weymouth. ... Bring your organization’s CEO or executive director literally to the table. Interact with key Obama administration and congressional leaders …

Politico has the pathetic details...

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Sickening

 What is even more sickening, is that I don't think it is only the Washington Post that engages in this practice.

Ghastly tales of pay to play journalism.

 I heard that there were 36,ooo lobbyists in Washington. That's a lot of hungary mouths to feed. And that is one hell of a lot of reporting that does not serve the people's interests.

 When Defense Contractors write articles that support war, or Health Insurance Companies write articles that attack any kind of reform,  that is so unethical. 

  Oddly, I don't see many other papers mentioning this story today. Strange.

  I will never forget the article Judith Miller penned for the so called liberal rag, the NYT, the Saturday before the Sunday that Dick Cheney went on all the cable shows saying we were all gonna die if we didn't go to War with Iraq. The story by Miller was so obviously planted. 

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LOL! We agree on something! ;-)

So, now the Obama folks got the word this one wasn't going over too well, and have nixed the whole idea, and have had the WaPo cancel the influence peddling auction and dinner for now.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Dearey

 The Bush folks and various other special interests groups (see neocons) were paid a goodly sum to write op-ed pieces for various newspapers too darlin. If your eyes were just opened to this fact under a Democratic President, well at least your eyes are now open.

 The right wingers even tried to do an inside takeover of PBS.

 The main point is that the press should never ever ever engage in this kind of pay to play bs.

 

 

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Deflation Fears Real

that should be our biggest worry, not inflation.

 Stop worrying about inflation!

 If the value of your house is going down, and you can shop at Wal-Mart and get stuff cheaper than ever before, to 'live better', if your wages are flat, or possibly falling, it is NOT inflation that people should be worried about right now, it is Deflation!

 Deflation is much more worrisome than inflation.

   Milton Friedman is famous for declaring inflation is always everywhere a monetary phenomenon. Except that he was wrong. Right now with falling prices and wages, the last thing we should be worried about is inflation.

    As prices fall, deflation occurs because folks who have debt, or are considering buy debt,  are waiting for prices to drop. Will you buy your dream house now, or if you wait two months, could you get a better deal?

    The paradox is that deflation is the economies way of seeking inflation, or prosperity. IN other words people become fearful of spending unless prices improve, which indicates that the economy will rebound. LIkewise people are fearful of spending are worried their wages will drop, or stay flat. 

    The downward cycle of deflation is much more difficult to cope with than inflation. You can deal with  inflation by charging more for debt. Deflation was where this country was stuck after the great depression.

   Stop worrying about inflation. That is not the problem we are facing.

  

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You are dead wrong one this one...

...we are printing way too much money,please do read this, because without question big time inflation is just around the corner!

To say otherwise would be to ignore reality.

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Who is this Adam Hamilton clown?

With a depression comes deflation, so deflationary theories became widely accepted in December and January.  Yet there was one big problem.  Deflation is purely a monetary phenomenon.  If prices of anything are falling simply for their own intrinsic supply-and-demand reasons, and not as a consequence of monetary contraction, then it is not deflation.  In reality, the money supply was skyrocketing in the panic.
Nothing is purely an anything problem in economics.  Deflation is scary not because it is simply a supply and demand adjustment after a bubble.  It's because it leads to a negative feedback cycle of falling prices, falling wages, layoffs and falling demand.  Just as excessive inflation leads to increased interest rates and a lower standard of living because of falling purchasing power. 
With the Fed ramping the US dollar supply far faster than the pool of goods and services on which to spend it, inflation was inevitable.  Relatively more dollars bidding on relatively fewer things means higher general prices, the formula is simple.  I wrote an essay on the big inflation coming in January, when deflation fears reigned supreme, using the Fed’s own data to highlight the staggering monetary growth.
No, you dumbass (talking to Hamilton here), the formula is not that simple.  The whole idea of increasing the money supply is to prevent demand from collapsing completely, thereby keeping factories open and people in their jobs, thereby producing more things.  You cannot isolate the money supply from market forces like that.  Hamilton is assuming here that production will remain constant during these highy uncertain conditions when they most certainly will not.  How can a typical company produce as much when they've had to lay off 20% of their staff?
 
If and when unemployment starts significantly going down again and GDP starts growing at a decent pace, inflation might become a concern again.  We are still a long, long way off from there.

Really Centinel, you should read more Krugman.  It'll do you good :)

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Krugman, no thanks, I've read enough thanks though.

I simply subscribe to a different economic philosophy...

Krugman would have us scrap the Austrian theory and all other theories of boom and bust in favor of a peculiar variant of monetary disequilibrium theory, a theory he sometimes attributes–questionably–to John Maynard Keynes. According to Krugman, "A recession happens when, for whatever reason, a large part of the private sector tries to increase its cash reserves at the same time." The recession can be avoided, then, by an accommodating increase in the supply of money. It's just that simple.

We artificially suppressed interest rates, and are flooding the economy with an insane excess of money, what will be the result Corph, inflation.

...Paul Krugman, perhaps the most famous media pundit/economist on earth, has long denounced what he believes to be the Austrian theory. In his recent piece, "No, Virginia, recession need not be inevitable," published in The New York Times, he criticizes what he labels a "misguided economic doctrine," the "hangover theory" of the business cycle. But what he labels a fallacy is a fallacy only because he either does not understand the correct theory or intentionally misrepresents it.

Krugman is correct—a recession need not be inevitable—but he is correct for the wrong reason. Krugman would avoid the hangover by attempting to keep the party participants perpetually intoxicated. He advocates reinitiating extensive credit creation by the central bank as a means to continuous prosperity and growth. He correctly identifies the central bank as the villain, but for the wrong reason—the contraction of credit at the crisis phase of the cycle— rather than for the correct reason, the artifical expansion of credit...

Perhaps you should read more Austrian economists... ;-)

Paul Krugman is an eminent economist, but he here reveals a woefully inadequate understanding of Austrian business cycle theory. The rudiments of the theory are easy one might have thought that even a Keynesian could grasp them.

According to Mises and Hayek, an expansion in bank credit pushes the money rate of interest below the "natural" rate. People prefer goods in the present to the same goods in the future, a matter obvious to anyone except for a few philosophers. The rate at which people favor the present, in the Austrian view, chiefly determines the rate of interest.

As just suggested, though, an increase in bank credit plays havoc with the process of setting the interest rate. Since more money is available, the price of money goes down. Investors, faced with lower interest rates, increase their investments in higher stages of production. Unfortunately, those investments eventually collapse. Because the "natural rate," the rate of time preference, has not changed, consumers do not want the shift to investment goods that has taken place. Hence, these investments must be liquidated, and the boom collapses.

Krugman never comes to grips with this account. Instead, he subsumes it under the more general category of the "hangover theory." "In the beginning, an investment boom gets out of hand. Maybe excessive money creation or reckless bank lending drives it. Maybe it is simply a matter of irrational exuberance on the part of entrepreneurs. Whatever the reason, all that investment leads to the creation of too much capacity.... Eventually, however, reality strikes investors go bust and investment spending collapses. The result is a slump whose depth is in proportion to the previous excesses."

 

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!

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Bleccccchhhhhh.....

  Austrian economists are the folks that whined the loudest over FDR's  New Deal. 

 They have had their way with deregulation and anti-trust laws. They are part of the reason the economy went into the toilet.

  Austrian economists appeal to is the most selfish interests of mankind, devoid of any sense of ethics or altruism. They remind me of two year adults who never learned to share, went to school to learn how to speak and write big words, then they write  papers on why sharing is bad for the world.

 All Austrian economists should be shipped to an Island to create their  "I own a pony and you can't ride mine, unless you pay me a fee" economy.

 

 

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Augh more horrible reasoning.

According to Krugman, "A recession happens when, for whatever reason, a large part of the private sector tries to increase its cash reserves at the same time." The recession can be avoided, then, by an accommodating increase in the supply of money. It's just that simple.

I'm choking on all the fallacies here.  Assuming the Krugman quote is accurate...

1. Krugman does not say capital hoarding is the sole cause of a recession, so trying to claim the contrapositive absurdity is logically false.  A implies B, therefore not A implies not B is the logic equivalent of saying 2+2 = 5.  Nice little reductio ad absurdum too.

2. Increasing the money supply does not necessarily prevent capital hoarding on its own.  It's an incentive, but history shows monetary policy alone is often not sufficient (see Japan, 1990s).  This is some kind of substitution fallacy.

They add up to one big straw man.  The rest is the same kind of blanket unsubstatiated assertions that seem to permeate all your links.  It's all along the lines of "Krugman is wrong because my philosophy says this this and this", not "Krugman is wrong because empirical data, or studies, or even human nature says this".  The only substantive argument I can find in this is "artificially low interest rates = bad".  OK great.  Now define "artificial" and try to make the case that cheap money is a bad thing across all economic conditions and to all kinds of borrowers.   Of course, that would require more work than mocking real economists with silly fallacies and labels.  I'm not holding my breath.

Heh, I just got to tie this back to my "conservatism is lazy" theme.

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Time will tell

But, at the most basic level, you cannot just print boatloads of new money and expect inflation NOT to occur at some point.    There are too many examples of that worldwide to discount that concern as merely conservative hot air.

 Edit: Cheap money is bad when it forces capital to seek new and novel investments that offer higher risk/return ratios...such as those that precipitated this latest crisis.   Had T-bills been a better-paying investment than mortgage derivatives, then we might have avoided this mess in the first place.

 

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Precisely...

+4...

 

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Well put.

And the fact that Centinel and I agree is a small miracle on this point*.

I agree that we will have to stop borrowing/printing money at this rate at some point in the future.  But conservative economists don't seem willing to concede that any kind of monetary expansion is necessary now (and have no quantifiable theory about how else we can get out of this mess).

So I'll throw down my own uninformed arbitrary marker: the corph 4% rule.  Here's how it works:  4% is the difference between the unemployment rate and GDP growth.  Below that, printing money is bad and inflationary.  Above, it's OK because we need the stimulus. 

Current unemployment (U2): 9.5%

1st quarter 2009 GDP growth: -5.5%

That gives us a staggering gap of 15%If at some point unemployment settles back down to 7% and GDP recovers and starts growing at 3% annualized, we can stop printing money.  And if I don't support that I'll be a hypocrite.  Feel free to throw down your own markers or explain why these two crude stats don't give a good rough estimate.

* A further refinement might be that there are beneficial aspects to risky and novel investments, but usually when they're geared toward tangible beneficial societal innovations (like say cures for diseases, cleaner energy and such) rather than financial artifices like mortage derivitives.  That's why Silicon Vally and route 69 are the real America.

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OK, let's spin that one out a bit

I guess I see the economy as a much more dynamic system than you do, but let's take your hypothetical and run with it.

Let's say we've exceeded the 4% rule and therefore need to print money to stimulate jobs.   That money goes to fund government jobs that we'll call Auto Workers (heh, why not?).   So we stimulate the economy by employing these Auto Workers, until such time as GDP and Unemployment are back in balance.  Then, under your plan, we stop the stimulus, and therefore our Auto Workers are no longer employed as Auto Workers, but must find jobs elsewhere.   Presumably their unemployment does not alter the GDP/Unemployment number balance enough to again require further stimulus?  One assumes so, or else the whole idea of printing money as stimulus falls apart.  

But conservative economists don't seem willing to concede that any kind of monetary expansion is necessary now (and have no quantifiable theory about how else we can get out of this mess).

There is no quantifiable theory about how to get out of this mess because to many economists, there is no easy way out, and monetary expansion merely causes other problems under the well-intentioned guise of appearing to be doing something.   And I think you overlook the staggering amount of debt being incurred.  It's not that people aren't willing to say yes, some expansion is OK; it's that they're saying that this magnitude of spending is unwise and the benefits are uncertain.

I don't see the economy as something that can or should be controlled in the way you seem to be suggesting.  First, because the actual measurements are often unreliable or called into question (e.g. unemployment),  and second, because passing a law that says "stimulate this!" takes months---years, actually, for the 2009 stimulus bill---to have any measurable affect, while the debt load being undertaken is immediate and implacable.

And our paradigms are different. I don't see it as the job of the federal government to guarantee me a job.   Nor to insulate me from the natural vicissitudes of life.  But I'm an ant, not a grasshopper ;-)

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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I believe your example

misses the key aspect of stimulus spending...

So we stimulate the economy by employing these Auto Workers, until such time as GDP and Unemployment are back in balance.  Then, under your plan, we stop the stimulus, and therefore our Auto Workers are no longer employed as Auto Workers, but must find jobs elsewhere

namely, that these Government Auto Workers will produce cars!  See, that's good.  Much better than having them sit around on unemployment benefits and not producing anything.  Maybe the one decent economic idea the Reagan team had was to emphasize productivity in tackling inflation.  When we make more stuff, purchasing power increases because of downward pressure on prices.  This raises discretionary income levels.  Demand goes up, and the private sector gets less skittish about hiring again.  Investors may even want to invest in a public car company.

I don't see it as the job of the federal government to guarantee me a job. 

Indeed not.  Their job is to generally alleviate the worst effect of economic forces beyond the individual's control*.  Using monetary and fiscal levers is a way to do that, even if it doesn't always work.  And of course I haven't actually heard the administration guaranteeing any one any job, not even auto workers.

The Keynsians won this last round, mainly because the Randian/Friedmanist/Greenspanners committed so many unforced errors.  As you pointed out, it can take some years for stimulus effects to show up in budgets.  It is only fair that libertarians suspend their judgment for a while.

* You may not agree with such a mandate as stated, but I believe empirical evidence has shown that nearly all modern governments of developed countries do just that.  The complexities, systemic effects and interdepence of modern economies makes it pretty much inevitable.

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As for the debt issue

I'm not sure I have this right, but doesn't "printing money" not  increase the debt load?  I thought that was why third wold economies suffer hyperinflation; they try to inflate away their debt by printing money a la Zimbabwe.

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And your point is?

Printing too much money leads to inflation.   And, ultimately, yes, that does reduce the federal debt load, as well as reducing any and all accumulated assets of the populace.  Not a desirable outcome, IMHO.  YMMV.

But debt is immediate.  Interest payments must be made.  Regardless of the current inflationary status.

So are you saying that we should be actively seeking inflation, or at least welcoming that which comes?    I would have thought inflation was one of those "circumstances beyond an individual's control" that you believe the government should actively strive to prevent.

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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You again ignore that

the current and immediate problem is not inflation, it is deflation, in spite of all the injected money.

  How does increasing the money supply take away any part of your personal accumulated assets? It doesn't.

 It is even probable that increasing the money supply allowed you to receive your full pension as opposed to a reduced payment. The investment wizards used pensions as lump sums for their leveraged investment scheme. Without an injection from the feds, it is more than possible that your pension fund would be belly up.

 It is also probable that the printing of money allowed your money market funds to remain whole and continue to do their 'work' as advertised, using  invested money to make money. Without the injection of money from the feds, it is likely that your money market fund would have merely evaporated. This printing of money protects your accumulated assets as opposed to watching them disappear.

 

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Inflation, defined

How does increasing the money supply take away part of your personal accumulated assets?  By causing inflation, which in turn means that a dollar is worth less in terms of goods and services.

Wiki provides some basic definitions of inflation for you (emphasis added):

 

In economics, inflation is a rise in the general level of prices of goods and services in an economy over a period of time.[1] When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services; consequently, inflation is also a decline in the real value of money—a loss of purchasing power in the internal medium of exchange and unit of account in the economy.[2] A chief measure of general price-level inflation is the general inflation rate , which is the percentage change in a general price index (normally the Consumer Price Index ) over time.[3]

Inflation can have adverse effects on an economy. For example, uncertainty about future inflation may discourage investment and saving. High inflation may lead to shortages of goods if consumers begin hoarding out of concern that prices will increase in the future.

Economists generally agree that high rates of inflation and hyperinflation are caused by an excessive growth of the money supply.[4] Views on which factors determine low to moderate rates of inflation are more varied. Low or moderate inflation may be attributed to fluctuations in real demand for goods and services, or changes in available supplies such as during scarcities , as well as to growth in the money supply. However, the consensus view is that a long sustained period of inflation is caused by money supply growing faster than the rate of economic growth .[5] [6]

 

 Now we can quibble as to whether we are seeing inflation now (and I agree with you, we are not, not yet), but if you reread what I posted, I didnt say that inflation was occuring now.

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Inflation is a beast that is more easily controlled

 than deflation.

 You argue that your assets would lose value under an inflation scenario..... but that depends on the rate of inflation, which can be  modified by  the cost of selling money.

 I am arguing that your assets would have crashed without the infamous injection of cash from the fed and the easily vilified printing of money.

 In the second scenario which is what we went through last Sept, your assets are worth zero.

 It  is much less worse to have to cope with some inflation, or a scenario of future impending inflation,  than a complete loss of the value of your assets.

 The super scary inflation scenario is being flogged to death, and is of concern, but not nearly to the dramatic level that it is being played out to be, because inflation can be controlled, which as you  mentioned is the feds job.

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How about if we take California as an example...

They are the model of liberal government. Krugman says their problems are due to them not being able to raise taxes enough, I suggest it is their insane out of control spending.

Why is it that common sense economics is so despised by the left? Because it would preclude the otherwise inexcusable expansion of government into the realm of social finagling.

Reduce government, quit printing excessive money, return monetary policy to it's constitutional place in congress and kill the Fed and regain oversight, implement the fair tax and virtually eliminate the IRS, stop the federal government from taking 12% of everyone's income for SS so they can just spend it on the aforementioned expansionism and bankrupt the national retirement program (that is unsustainable in the first place), etc, etc, ...

Our real solution lies, in my view, not in the complexities of managing out of control government, but in reforming the government itself.

(PS - For what its worth, though we disagree on many things, I certainly value your input, you are exceedingly bright and articulate. You are an asset, and I am always glad to see you around here.)

 

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Gross misrepresentation of California there.

There are parts that are liberal and there are parts that are middle of Oklahoma.  And even though the Democrats are in the majority, the majority of Democrats in the Senate & Ldge are more moderate than fire eaters.

Democrats made a very sane proposal of cutting $14B in spending and raising taxes & fees $10B.  Republicans said no, again.  They're a one trick pony because prop 13 changed the state law so that any budget that is larger than the previous year (over inflation) has to be agreed upon by a 2/3 super majority.  Funny thing though.  When Democrats said OK, so what'll you cut to get the $24B?  Republicans shook their heads & said no, they didn't have a list.  They expected Democrats to do it.  Bastards.  That isn't compromise & the 2/3 vote is unreasonable and not democratic at all.  You want a super majority?  Make it 55%, but 66% is just plain dumb.  I mean, look what the minority party has done by it.  They've screwed our credit rating because they've refused to participate in crafting a budtget and insist that they be able to torpedo the state & incinerate it's credit rating so they can swoop in and clean up the ashes in victory.  That's patriotic?  That's principled?  You're willing to kill a state 'to save it'?  That's straight out of Dr. Strangelove....really.  That isn't how a society and a good social order are achieved.

They are achieved through compromise.  It isn't an evil word.  Really.

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Look, California is certainly one of the most liberal States...

Krugman claims it is the fault of not being permitted to raise taxes, yet;

It is not an issue of not enough taxation, rather it is a government run wild and as a direct result, a spending problem;

When Gov. Pete Wilson took office in 1991, the state budget was $51.4 billion. When he left eight years later, it was $75.3 billion. After five years of Gov. Davis’s administration, the budget had jumped to $104.2, and after another five years under the stewardship of Gov. Schwarzenegger, it has continued to increase significantly to its present level of $144.5 billion. In just the last 10 years state spending has nearly doubled, increasing approximately 92 percent.

(All done with Democratic State Legislatures mind you.)

Oh, and in terms of any fantasy's you may harbor about CA not being liberal, though they're are certainly vast amounts of rural area, just take a quick look at their US Congressional Representatives, besides Nancy, Barbara, and Diane, the list is dominated by liberals.

 

 

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IIRC

The reason why California is in the mess they are is because people vote for ballot measures that require massive spending and then can't raise their taxes because of similar ballot measures that disallow the raising of taxes to pay for it.

Someone wanted to have their cake and eat it, too.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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Compromise....

 is what I thought politics was all about. 

 The ballot initiatives should be challenged as being unconstitutional, since out of state money and operatives shove their initiatives through.

 Prop 13 seems like it has been a nightmare for Califronia.

 I am sure Grover Norquist is wetting his pants with ecstasy and delight.

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I don't think

that's a sufficient reason (out of state money) for to rule them unconstitutional.  The proper way to do it would be to amend the constitution and get rid of the ballot initiatives.

California residents essential voted to screw themselves financially, and got what they deserve (well, a bare majority did anyway). Neither the legislature nor the governor has the courage to show the people that keeping takes low means massive paroling of dangerous prisoners and/or shuttering of schools and hospitals, so they keep kicking the can down the road.

Evenutally, residents will either vote for crumbling infrastructure or higher taxes.  The only question is how much will get wrecked in the process.

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I'd be up for that

 Amending the constitution to get rid of ballot initiatives.

They circumvent the normal constitutional legislative process. Ballot initiatives are rotten.

 

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Corph, I have come to expect more from you than that...

...at least you've been honest and accurate in the past.

For you to say something as off base as this;

California residents essential voted to screw themselves financially, and got what they deserve (well, a bare majority did anyway). Neither the legislature nor the governor has the courage to show the people that keeping takes low means massive paroling of dangerous prisoners and/or shuttering of schools and hospitals, so they keep kicking the can down the road.

Evenutally, residents will either vote for crumbling infrastructure or higher taxes.  The only question is how much will get wrecked in the process.

 

When that couldn't be further from the truth;

The American Legislative Exchange Council released a report entitled, Rich States, Poor States: ALEC-Laffer State Economic Competitiveness Index , which analyzes the 50 states based on 16 policy variables, including top marginal personal and corporate income tax rates, property and sales tax burdens, state minimum wage, and the number of public employees per 10,000 residents.  

California ranked near the bottom, 41st overall, because it has the worst personal income tax progressivity in the country, the second-worst top marginal personal income tax rate, the second-worst average workers’ compensation costs, and a high minimum wage.  

“Despite warm weather, sandy beaches and the Pacific Ocean, Californians are leaving in droves to escape the state’s oppressive tax burden,” the authors of the report concluded. “No state has ever taxed its way out of prosperity.”

More here

Also the bare majority you reference was hardly "bare ".

The drubbing came from all corners of the state. Mounting returns showed Proposition 1A, for instance, losing in all of California's 58 counties.

 

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They should all move

 to So. Carolina.

Lots of jobs and opportunity  in your state?

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My State...Just about the same amount as in yours I suspect...

...plus or minus a point or two.

 

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Fearmongering

 on inflation is hurting America.

 Once the spiral of deflation kicks in it is much harder to get out of than inflation.

 INflation can be curtailed by simply charging more for debt.

 

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Nope you are wrong

 Dead wrong.

 

 Look around you and tell me if generally the price of stuff, is going up or down.

 And who do you know that has gotten a raise lately.

 All this inflation talk is just pure fear mongering by the right. Deflation is much more dangerous and much more difficult to deal with.

 The reason we are printing money is to cover your 401K that Goldman Saks stole and invested.

The money they are printing is the money that the stock market stole. That is why the price of houses has gone DOWN not UP!! Duh! :)

 

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I don't understand

the left's outrage over the Sanford affair.  Either he stays on as a badly wounded politician or resigns and goes quietly into the night.  There is no upside to attacking him and screaming "hypocrisy!".  For one, instances of mild* hypocrisy among politicians are extremely common.  Hypocrisy in itself can only really be considered a minor vice.  Attacking a notion simply because its proponent doesn't follow it is an ad hominem tu quoque fallacy.

Also, little in this case speaks to the actual serious business of governing a state.  Dems should just let him hang there.  It's not like the South Carolina governership is an easy, attainable or even desirable prize for many Democrats anyway.

* I say "mild" hypocrisy because while Sanford may belong to the party with the greater tendency to moralize, but he was hardly on a crusade against adultery or cosponsering Huckabee-like "supermarriage" covenants.

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Palin resigning?

So says Alaska's KTUU .

Huh. Oh well, I was kinda looking forward to a presidential run in 2012. I guess this doesn't rule that out, but it seems like a bad move if that was her plan.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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She's made a lot of those recently.

Funny, for someone whose meteoric rise in state politics involved some ruthless backstabbing of political mentors and allies, her instincts don't seem all that sharp.

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#1 reason of top 10 list in DKos poll for why she resigned:

The other shoe is going to drop.

Sounds about right.

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Don't be so sure...

Time will tell..

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Caribou Barbie already has a cult following

http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090704/NEWS/70...

 She's a character, I will give her that.

 I am somewhat troubled by her connections with The Alaska Independence Party.

 I don't think it is ever a good thing to have William Kristol and Mary Matalin on your side.

 All this under the table, mystery resignation and such will make her even more of a hero to her followers.

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Seems odd for you to belittle a woman like that...

...just because you disagree with her political viewpoint.

Caribou Barbie, I mean really.

Talk about hypocrisy!

Keep up the abstruse political analysis there ML.

 

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Stop whining

 She should be proud of the nickname. It reflects her Alaska heritage of freedom and maverickiness.

 

 

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At least she respects the Constitution and rule of law...

...the same qualities liberals have been whining about being absent from the Federal Government for the last eight years, and Barack said he would return to the White House...ya right.

After listening to the Democrats screech for the last two years about the rule of law, this Jake Tapper report should be surprising …. but it’s not.  Apparently, Barack Obama finds treaty ratification a little too complicated, and so he figures he can just commit the US to nuclear disarmament and bypass Congressional oversight:

With the clock running out on a new US-Russian arms treaty before the previous Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, expires on December 5, a senior White House official said Sunday said that the difficulty of the task might mean temporarily bypassing the Senate’s constitutional role in ratifying treaties by enforcing certain aspects of a new deal on an executive levels and a “provisional basis” until the Senate ratifies the treaty.

“The most ideal situation would be to finish it in time that it could be submitted to the Senate so that it can be ratified,” said White House Coordinator for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security and Arms Control Gary Samore. “If we’re not able to do that, we’ll have to look at arrangements to continue some of the inspection provisions, keep them enforced in a provisional basis, while the Senate considers the treaty.”

Samore said administration lawyers are exploring the “different options that are available. One option is that both sides could agree to continue the inspections by executive agreement; that would work on our side. On the Russian side, as I understand it, that would require Duma approval.”

The fact that the administration is preparing for such an extraordinary measure shows just how much pressure the two administrations are under to arrive at an agreement before the 18-year-old treaty expires.

Uh, pardon me, but how many seats in the Senate does Obama’s party hold?  Isn’t it 60?  If Obama is simply moving forward with a straightforward, supportable treaty with Russia to reduce nuclear stockpiles in an effective verification system, why couldn’t he get a quick ratification?  The GOP gave George H. W. Bush enough support in 1991 to pass the original START treaty, so it’s not as if ratification would be impossibly complicated.

Well, that is, if the deal actually does put in place an effective verification system and doesn’t amount to a de facto unilateral disarmament.  With exactly five months to win Senate approval, the effort by the Obama White House in floating this idea now makes it sound like Obama wants to give away the store in order to score some points with his 1980s no-nukes agenda.  And as much as the Democrats howled over the supposed devotion of George Bush to a “unitary executive,” Obama seems to have no trouble bypassing the check on executive power for treaty negotiation written explicitly into the Constitution , in Article II, Section 2:

concur ;

 

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Uh huh

 Sarah Palin wants the Constitution to mean God's law the way she wants it to be legislatively interpreted. 

 

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If Palin respected the constitution

 and the rule of law, she wouldn't have violated her contract with the people that voted her in as Governor by quitting.

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One can only hope

A Palin primary campaign would be both infuriating and entertaining. But has Krystol ever been right about anything?

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Oh Colin...you fool.

Colin Powell, one of President Obama's most prominent Republican supporters, expressed concern Friday that the president's ambitious blitz of costly initiatives may be enlarging the size of government and the federal debt too much.

Gee, no kidding...

"I'm concerned at the number of programs that are being presented, the bills associated with these programs and the additional government that will be needed to execute them," Mr. Powell said in an excerpt of an interview with CNN's John King, released by the network Friday morning.

The Washington Times has the rest .

 

 

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Colin also said Rush Limbaugh is an idiot.

 I agree.

 (Just testing out that GoRight rule. Do unto others as they do to you. You use the word idiot liberally, so I thought I would give it a try.)

 

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Actually ML, I use that word very specifically...

n/t

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Wonderful...

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