Gun Control; Why it's important:

 There has been much debate (albeit often shrill and heated) between Gun Rights Advocates and Gun Control Advocates.  As a gun control advocate myself, here are my reasons for being in favor of gun control.  The Gun Control advocates are not trying to deprive hunters and target shooters of their sports, nor are they trying to deprive people who simply collect guns as others would collect stamps. coins, or whatever, nor am I referring to Security personnel, cops, or people serving in our military, and who therefore, are authorized to carry guns.

Although I've always favored an all-out ban on snub-nosed handguns, I realized that, as time went on, that the Gun Lobby and the NRA are too powerful,  well-founded and too well organized for an all-out ban on these guns to be realistically possible.  Unfortunately, the NRA and Gun Lobby have bullied various lawmakers out of passing more stringent, affective firearms laws.  Contrary to what many gun rights advocates say, the adage  "Guns don't kill, people do" is a slogan that I have refused to buy into.  Whether it's realized or  not in  many circles, a gun is a weapon of war that's designed to kill people.  A life is either abruptly ended or is either abruptly and irrevocably altered, negatively, by the squeezing of the trigger and the crack of a pistol.

Most murders are crimes of passion that occur among people who know each other;  in  barrooms, in the home, on street corners or in parking lots, by family members, friends and/or acquaintances.  When heated situations arise,  the presence of a firearm or forearms make a murder or a permanent maiming a far more likely occurrence.  Another frequent occurrence is when young kids get access to guns, and play the typical "bang bang" kids' games, where one pretends to shoot the other dead,  and actually end up killing a friend  or sibling, due to not realizing that the gun is actually loaded.

All too often, people who know each other get into nasty, heated arguments, which turn deadly when firearms are present.  Some people will say  "Oh, I can control myself", but, in reality, they  don't know what they'd actually do until that bridge is actually crossed and they are  faced with such a situation.  It's all too easy, in a fit of anger or depression to simply pick up a gun and fire it at another person, or even to turn the gun on themselves, resulting in death or permanent maiming.  In many poor urban areas, murders are rampant due to poverty, lack of decent housing and educational opportunities, and  drugs.  The prevalence of guns, which often come in illegally or through mail order make this an even more deadly situation, upping the number of homicides and making whole areas far more dangerous for law-abiding residents.

The vast majority of guns that end up in the hands of criminals are stolen from private homes, or even cars nd/or trucks.  When breaking into private  homes, guns are frequently the first thing that burglars look for.  All too often, these stolen firearmes are used in assaults, hold-ups, and armed robberies, murder, or suicide, and much too frequently, people with histories of mental illness, substance and alcohol abuse, and anger-management issues get access to firearms, which has led to horrific results.  Many of the assassinations that have occurred in the past (i. e. MLK, JFK, RFK and others) could've been avoided had there been stronger, more affective gun laws in the books.  The United States has the highest murder incidence of murder by handgun per capita in the Western Hemisphere,  due to extremely lax gun control.

Many pro-gun people argue that one can kill or maim a person by beating, stabbing or even strangling their victim(s).   While it's true that a person who's hell-bent on murdering somebody could stab, strangle or beat his/her victim to death, it's far easier to fire a gun at a person from a distance than to go  up to the person and beat, stab or strangle him/her.  Sometimes, too, the chances of surviving and fully recovering from a stab wound, a beating or an attempted strangulation can be and are a little better, depending on the depth, intensity and location of the injured area, and how quickly the victim of such an attack is rushed to the hospital and receives prompt, good medical care.   While a person can only beat, stab or strangle one person at a time, a gun can kill and/or maim many people more quickly, due to the ability to spray many bulletts into the air, therefore hitting two or more people at a time.  Gunshots also do  much more damage than fists, fee, or a "nerve hold", or even a club,  at least partly due to the fact that a bullet travels at a much great velocity due to being fired from a distance and out of the barrel of a gun.  An angry person who wants to beat, stab or strangle their victim must go up to the person, hence increasing the possibility that they'll regain their "cool" afterwards., and preventing a deadly incident from occurring.

Having guns around the house often present additional dangers.  Suicide and/or homicide are more likely if a person's depressed or angry and  there are firearms right within reach.  One often reads/hears about someone hearing another person walking around the house, shoots that person or persons and then discovers that the person who's been shot was a spouse or offspring who'd just wandered into the kitchen for a midnight snack or a drink of water.  Cases also abound when a person comes home, finds their spouse/beau/belle in bed with their best friend or even the mail-carrier,  and shoots both the partner and/or their best friend and then shooting him/herself.    Killing or maiming oneself due to improper handling of the gun, which resulted in it going of has also resulted in many instances.

The Columbine High School shootings and other school shootings, as well as the number of drive-by shootings that regularly occur in many really poor urban areas not withstanding, one very catastrophic incident occurred up in Vermont four years ago, when a 13-year-old boy who'd been the victim of constant cyber-bullying by his classmates, took to heart a suggestion by one of his tormentors that he kill himself as a way out of it, got his father's loaded shotgun, and committed suicide by shooting himself.  I believe that the combo of the father keeping a loaded, unlocked gun around the house and within reach of an extremely distraught child, plus the lack of parental supervision of youngsters who were posting on computers and the internet all contributed to the boy's taking his own life.  Not long after that, the father of the deceased boy waged an anti-cyber-bullying campaign, thus helping to get anti-cyberbullying laws passed  up in Vermont.

Contrary to popular believe among many gun rights advocates,  most guns DON'T end up being used in self-defense, but to kill other people in homicides.  A gun can easily be taken away from an owner and turned on him or her, because there'll always by somebody quicker on the draw than they are.  As the saying goes:  No matter how great a person thinks s/he is, there's always somebody who'll be their master"

Having said all of the above, I'm admittedly not a fan of firearms being in civilian hands, because I really don't think that they belong.  However, civilians who choose to own and keep firearms around the house should and must take responsibility and  the following preventive precautions:

A)  Firearms should be kept safely locked up and unloaded, and family members/friends with histories of mental illness, substance and alcohol abuse problems, or anger  management issues should not be allowed access to them.  Nor should young children have access to firearms.  Keeping firearms locked up and unloaded will also prevent or minimize the chance of theft followed by crime in the event that someone's private home is broken into.

B)  No matter where one lives, be it in an urban, suburban or rural area, firearms should never, ever be left out in plain sight on the dashboard or seat of a car or a truck, where somebody walking or driving by could see the firearm(s) in the vehicle, break in, and steal the firearms.

C) Firearms should be properly registered and licensed, family  members should be taught how to handle and  use guns responsibly, and the gun dealer and/or law enforcement people should be notified immediately in the event that a gun is lost or stolen.

There are also certain things that gun dealers and gun manufacturers should be required to do:

A)  Gun dealers should be required to engage in extensive screening and background checks, as well as the requiring of a waiting period for perspective gun buyers.  Perspective gun buyers with histories of  mental illness, alcohol and substance abuse problems, emotional instability and anger management issues should be denied access when such people's names come up on a gun dealer's computer screen.

B)  Gun manufacturers should be required to implement tamper-proof locks in firearms to prevent unauthorized use in the event that a gun is lost or stolen, or to prevent young kids from tampering with them, causing them to go off accidentally.

C)  The number of firearms manufactured in t he United States every year should be better regulated than it is.

 

Unfortunately, the Gun Lobby and the NRA have affectively bullied various lawmakers here in the United States out of passing even laws that demand that simple requirements as more extensive and thorough screenings, background checks,  and waiting periods, for perspective gun buyers, as well as requirements for gun manufacturers to implement safety locks to prevent unauthorized use of the firearm, as well as accidental discharging if tampered with or carelessly handled, as well as stricter regulations of gun manufacturing here in the United States, which as often led to catastrophic results.  As a society whose culture has long depended upon and revolved around the gun,  the United States has witnessed the net results come into fruition;  in many streets, homes,  barrooms, street corners, and among family and friends, in many, or most cases.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Long overdue in getting to THIS. Geeze.

Contrary to what many gun rights advocates say, the adage  "Guns don't kill, people do" is a slogan that I have refused to buy into.

Interesting.  From this it is clear that you are refusing to by into simple and undeniable facts about reality.

Whether it's realized or  not in  many circles, a gun is a weapon of war that's designed to kill people.

To which I say, so what?  This can also be said of knives, swords, spears, pitch forks, pick axes, shovels, and atlatls .  The point is, that any tool which was designed for hunting has also been used in war.  What makes them tools of peace vs. tools of war?  The intent of the person holding the tool.  This fact is undeniable.

Most murders are crimes of passion that occur among people who know each other;  in  barrooms, in the home, on street corners or in parking lots, by family members, friends and/or acquaintances.

I'd have to verify the stats on this but, accepting your premise for the sake of discussion, this is exactly correct AND banning firearms won't change this fact one bit.

Another frequent occurrence is when young kids get access to guns, and play the typical "bang bang" kids' games, where one pretends to shoot the other dead,  and actually end up killing a friend  or sibling, due to not realizing that the gun is actually loaded.

This is just outright propaganda designed to stir up one's emotions.  The fact of the matter is that this is (a) a rare occurence already, (b) the frequency of such occurences has been steadily declining, and (c) the solution is proper education in firearms handling NOT in banning them.

All too often, people who know each other get into nasty, heated arguments, which turn deadly when firearms are present.

The presence of firearms has nothing to do with it, actually.  You can kill someone just as dead and just as fast with any blunt object as you can with a firearm.  It's a fact.  Smashing someone's head in with a blunt object is a VERY effect means of killing them.  Example objects might include: a rock, a beer bottle, a MAG-Lite flashlight, a baseball bat, etc.  Note that any or all of these might be readily available at any sports bar ...

In many poor urban areas, murders are rampant due to poverty, lack of decent housing and educational opportunities, and  drugs.  The prevalence of guns, which often come in illegally or through mail order make this an even more deadly situation, upping the number of homicides and making whole areas far more dangerous for law-abiding residents.

This is funny.  You start off by pointing out various possible drivers behind urban homicides and then completely ignore them and focus on the inanimate object.  Rather than focus on how to solve the sources of the problem you seek to chase a red herring.

Oh, and by the way, you CANNOT buy a firearm "through mail order", at least not since about 1968 or so .

The vast majority of guns that end up in the hands of criminals are stolen from private homes, or even cars nd/or trucks.  When breaking into private  homes, guns are frequently the first thing that burglars look for.  All too often, these stolen firearmes are used in assaults, hold-ups, and armed robberies, murder, or suicide, and much too frequently, people with histories of mental illness, substance and alcohol abuse, and anger-management issues get access to firearms, which has led to horrific results.  Many of the assassinations that have occurred in the past (i. e. MLK, JFK, RFK and others) could've been avoided had there been stronger, more affective gun laws in the books.  The United States has the highest murder incidence of murder by handgun per capita in the Western Hemisphere,  due to extremely lax gun control.

Unsubstantiated paranoid factlets.  Talking points from Handgun Control Inc and the Brady Bunch.  Put up some real facts with sources and then we'll talk.

While it's true that a person who's hell-bent on murdering somebody could stab, strangle or beat his/her victim to death, it's far easier to fire a gun at a person from a distance than to go  up to the person and beat, stab or strangle him/her.

Well, thanks for pointing out the operative point ... a murderer won't be stopped by banning firearms.  Thanks as well for pointing out the most important counter argument, the fact that a firearm is effective at a safe distance makes it an ideal defensive weapon when a larger, more committed assailant is "hell-bent" on doing you in.

While a person can only beat, stab or strangle one person at a time, a gun can kill and/or maim many people more quickly, due to the ability to spray many bulletts into the air, therefore hitting two or more people at a time.

Do you know what happens when you drive a vehicle into a crowd?  It's kinda the same thing.

An angry person who wants to beat, stab or strangle their victim must go up to the person, hence increasing the possibility that they'll regain their "cool" afterwards., and preventing a deadly incident from occurring.

And disarming their potential victim puts them at greater risk, increasing the risk that it is the innocent person that dies when things get deadly.  I favor saving the innocent people rather than the assailants.  How about you?

Having guns around the house often present additional dangers.

Simply untrue.

Suicide and/or homicide are more likely if a person's depressed or angry and  there are firearms right within reach.

The likelyhood that someone decides to commit murder and suicide is completely unrelated to the presence of a firearm.  There is simply NO logical cause and effect relationship between the presence of a firearm and the state of mind of human beings.  Inanimate objects do NOT put thoughts or feelings into people's minds.  I thought we figured that out in Salem, MA circa 1692.

One often reads/hears about someone hearing another person walking around the house, shoots that person or persons and then discovers that the person who's been shot was a spouse or offspring who'd just wandered into the kitchen for a midnight snack or a drink of water.  Cases also abound when a person comes home, finds their spouse/beau/belle in bed with their best friend or even the mail-carrier,  and shoots both the partner and/or their best friend and then shooting him/herself.    Killing or maiming oneself due to improper handling of the gun, which resulted in it going of has also resulted in many instances.

This is simply NOT consistent with the actual stats in this area as far as I have ever seen and determined in my research.  Cna you back any of this up with actual data?

The Columbine High School shootings and other school shootings, as well as the number of drive-by shootings that regularly occur in many really poor urban areas not withstanding, one very catastrophic incident occurred up in Vermont four years ago, when a 13-year-old boy who'd been the victim of constant cyber-bullying by his classmates, took to heart a suggestion by one of his tormentors that he kill himself as a way out of it, got his father's loaded shotgun, and committed suicide by shooting himself.  I believe that the combo of the father keeping a loaded, unlocked gun around the house and within reach of an extremely distraught child, plus the lack of parental supervision of youngsters who were posting on computers and the internet all contributed to the boy's taking his own life.  Not long after that, the father of the deceased boy waged an anti-cyber-bullying campaign, thus helping to get anti-cyberbullying laws passed  up in Vermont.

A tragic incident to be sure.  But it was NOT the inanimate object that drove this boy to commit suicide, it was his tormentors.  Nor would the lack of a shotgun like have stopped him from committing the ultimate act.  Lots of kids kill themselves in lots of ways every day.  The clothe's line out back, that bridge or tall building down the street, these are all just as effective and just as easily accessed.  Once again you choose to focus on the inanimate object rather than the true source of the problem.

Contrary to popular believe among many gun rights advocates,  most guns DON'T end up being used in self-defense, but to kill other people in homicides.  A gun can easily be taken away from an owner and turned on him or her, because there'll always by somebody quicker on the draw than they are.  As the saying goes:  No matter how great a person thinks s/he is, there's always somebody who'll be their master"

Actually your point is contrary to the actual statistics as far as I can tell.  You show me your stats and then I'll show you mine.

Having said all of the above, I'm admittedly not a fan of firearms being in civilian hands ...

Actually given what you have been saying this doesn't surprise me one bit.

A)  Firearms should be kept safely locked up and unloaded, and family members/friends with histories of mental illness, substance and alcohol abuse problems, or anger  management issues should not be allowed access to them.  Nor should young children have access to firearms.  Keeping firearms locked up and unloaded will also prevent or minimize the chance of theft followed by crime in the event that someone's private home is broken into.

No argument here.  This is the first chapter in safe firearms handling 101.  Although keeping a defensive firearm loaded is sort of the second chapter in being prepared 101 (which is not to say that it shouldn't be locked up, of course).

B)  No matter where one lives, be it in an urban, suburban or rural area, firearms should never, ever be left out in plain sight on the dashboard or seat of a car or a truck, where somebody walking or driving by could see the firearm(s) in the vehicle, break in, and steal the firearms.

Well, duh ... this is of course true and it also is covered in the safe firearms handling 101 course discussed above.  Of course, nobody does this so it is sort of moot.

C) Firearms should be properly registered and licensed, family  members should be taught how to handle and  use guns responsibly, and the gun dealer and/or law enforcement people should be notified immediately in the event that a gun is lost or stolen.

No problem with this except the regisgtered and licensed bit.  That's the first step to confiscation.  The Nazi's taught us that.  (Really, they did .)

A)  Gun dealers should be required to engage in extensive screening and background checks, as well as the requiring of a waiting period for perspective gun buyers.  Perspective gun buyers with histories of  mental illness, alcohol and substance abuse problems, emotional instability and anger management issues should be denied access when such people's names come up on a gun dealer's computer screen.

For the screening and background checks, already done .  For the waiting periods, all they do is put innocent victims at risk (e.g. when that abuse ex-husband comes a knockin').

B)  Gun manufacturers should be required to implement tamper-proof locks in firearms to prevent unauthorized use in the event that a gun is lost or stolen, or to prevent young kids from tampering with them, causing them to go off accidentally.

"Tamper-proof" is inherently unachievable.  "Tamper-resistant" makes the weapon ineffective for defensive purposes when it might be needed the most.  The solution for kids has already been demonstrated: proper training in the handling of firearms.

C)  The number of firearms manufactured in t he United States every year should be better regulated than it is.

Firearms manufacturing in the US is ALREADY over-regulated as far as I can tell, AND it has solved nothing.

Unfortunately, the Gun Lobby and the NRA have affectively bullied various lawmakers here in the United States out of passing even laws that demand that simple requirements as more extensive and thorough screenings, background checks,  and waiting periods, for perspective gun buyers, as well as requirements for gun manufacturers to implement safety locks to prevent unauthorized use of the firearm, as well as accidental discharging if tampered with or carelessly handled, as well as stricter regulations of gun manufacturing here in the United States, which as often led to catastrophic results.

The only thing gun rights advocates have done is to defend and protect their INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS as articulated in the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution and as upheld by the US Supreme Court .

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I stand by my positions on this subject, GoRight.

 For starters, I think that the Gun laws in this country really are way too lax, which has a lot to do with why we've got the highest murder rate per capita by handgun  in the Western Hemisphere.

Secondly, most guns that end up in the hands of criminals are stolen from private homes, or are bought and/or sold through the black market;  inotherwords, illegally.

Thirdly:  Congress needs to close the loophole that permits anybody, regardless of who he or she is, to walk into any gun show in any state of the Union here in the  United States of America (including the Bay State, which has tougher gun laws than many, if not most other states), and purchase a gun, with no questions asked.  Moreover, illegal sales and purchasing of firearms take place far too often at gun shows.

There are at least a couple of ways to tell when an illegal sale of a firearm is  taking place:

A)  If the prospective purchaser of a firearm says   "I could never, ever pass any kind of background check".  

B)  If a prospective firearms buyer says  "Oh, my friend is coming in later to do the paperwork for me".

In either case, especially #A, this is a red flag, and that selling to such a person is a risky sale.   While some gun dealers/sellers are ethical enough to halt either of these kinds of illegal sales of firearms and NOT go through with them, many, if most gun dealers, unfortunately, are NOT that ethical.

 

 

 

 

 

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