"Fiscally responsible" Democrats strike again!

Lots more evidence that Democrats (surprise, surprise) aren't the "fiscally responsible" party they claimed to be in the last election.

Democrats trying to massively expand a federal health care entitlement program, despite the fact that the program's supposedly "underfunded" nature would disappear in an instant if it were to refocus on its original mandate and stop covering adults and the middle class: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009981

Schip was conceived--or at least sold--as a way to insure children from low-income families that aren't poor enough to qualify for Medicaid. Included as part of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, Schip began as a federal block grant of about $40 billion over 10 years. [...] The Bush Administration wants to add $4.8 billion to the Schip budget, bringing it to $30 billion over the next five years. Democrats want to see that and raise by $50 billion to $60 billion. [...] But this "crisis" arose because some states have grossly exceeded Schip's mandate. They are using the program to expand government-subsidized coverage well beyond poor kids--to children from wealthier families and even to adults.

Congress may be removing those embarrassing spinach and peanut subsidies from the Iraq war funding bill, but they're still leaving in the extra $25 billion in non-emergency spending (like more farm subsidies) -- never mind that as non-emergency items these could be dealt with as part of the 2008 budget instead: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/23/congress.iraq.ap/index.html

As part of the same measure, congressional negotiators also tentatively agreed on about $25 billion not requested by Bush for medical care for troops and veterans, aid to the victims of Hurricane Katrina, farm disaster relief and other programs. The add-ons have provoked a separate veto threat from Bush. Negotiators dropped provisions ridiculed by the president such as aid to peanut farmers and spinach producers.

Whoops! So much for those promises of getting rid of earmarks, as one brave GOP senator's repeated efforts to pass earmark reform are repeatedly blocked by Dem leadership: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2007/04/19/keeping_their...

First-term Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina rose on the Senate floor shortly before noon to request unanimous consent for immediate enactment of a rule requiring full disclosure of earmarks. But the Democratic leadership was forewarned. Just before DeMint took the floor, the Appropriations Committee -- led by Sen. Robert Byrd, the Senate's king of pork -- issued its own flawed anti-earmark regulation. Then, Majority Whip Dick Durbin objected to passage of the DeMint rule on grounds that ethics should not be considered on a piecemeal basis.

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Shortly after the Democrats took power on Capitol Hill, the Senate on Jan. 16 approved, 98 to 0, the DeMint rule, requiring full disclosure of earmarks, as an amendment to the lobbying and ethics reform bill. [... But] the ethics bill was bogged down in the House (which normally will pass anything the Democratic leadership wants). The DeMint rule was an amendment to nothing. Legislation was going through the congressional pipeline with undisclosed earmarks, as requests for earmark applications still did not require transparency. Consequently, on April 12, DeMint brought up his rule for passage under unanimous consent. Freshman Sen. Bob Menendez, on duty for the Democratic leadership, objected. Menendez claimed, reporter John Stanton wrote in the Roll Call newspaper, "that despite numerous news stories and notifications from DeMint that he intended to seek the UC [unanimous consent], Democrats had not been given adequate time to review the proposed amendment."

And on the same topic: http://www.examiner.com/a-691052~Earmark_stench_is_getting_worse.html?ci...

Remember right after the November elections when the Senate’s longtime “King of Pork,” Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., promised an “earmark moratorium” on 2007 spending? [...] Now we find that not only has the moratorium on 2007 spending bill earmarks been forgotten, senators are in the process of larding up 2008 bills as well. Both the Senate and the House have passed earmark reforms, but the Democratic leadership in both chambers is taking its time in resolving differences between the two measures. So the rules Kratz reminds senators to follow are the same ones that were in place when the GOP sowed its culture of corruption. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Turns out that those supposedly "moderate" or "conservative" Democrats who won in Bush districts are voting the liberal party line: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20297

The Democratic budget, with its $400 billion tax increase, passed narrowly, 216-210, with the help of such other moderates as Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.), Jason Altmire (D-Pa.), Chris Carney (D-Pa.), Charlie Wilson (D-Ohio). Neither they nor any of the House Democrats supported the conservative substitute budget proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), which curtailed entitlement spending and kept taxes down.

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In two separate votes dear to the heart of union bosses, all 10 of our freshmen voted the party line. All opposed an amendment by Rep. Richard Baker (R-La.) intended to speed up the stalled reconstruction of the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina by exempting federal contractors and grantees from government wage-controls that are favored by unions -- a policy known as the “prevailing wage.” In theory, this policy is supposed to reduce the incentive to hire non-union labor to save money. In practice, it results in lower profit margins and therefore less work being done to rebuild.

The more far-reaching vote, however, would eliminate workers’ rights to hold secret ballot elections to unionize their shops. After spending hundreds of millions of dollars to elect Democratic candidates, union lobbyists pushed hard for this bill -- known as the “Employee Free Choice Act” -- which would allow union lobbyists to take over workplaces through a system known as “card-check.” Under that system, a union need only convince (or as opponents would say, coerce) 51 % of affected employees to sign a card in favor of union representation, in order to represent and collect dues from the employees.

Democrats have talked up the "tax gap" as a way to pay for more government spending without raising tax rates. Of course the idea that there's a lot of money to be found here is complete hogwash, so in reality this extra spending will simply increase the deficit: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/18/AR200704...

Speaking to a Senate committee led by Democrats eager to raise cash without raising tax rates, Paulson said it was "unrealistic" for them to expect to collect hundreds of billions of dollars from the federal tax gap, the difference between taxes owed and taxes paid. "The tax gap is simply not a pot of gold that we can dip into every time we want to pay for a new or expanded program," Paulson told the Senate Finance Committee. "Nor should it be viewed as an easy solution to existing challenges," such as replacing the alternative minimum tax.

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During testimony, Paulson said other tax-gap ideas floating around Washington "would be unnecessarily painful, expensive and time-consuming for taxpayers." Politicians haven't endorsed the more extreme notions, but Paulson cited some anyway -- steps such as eliminating most cash transactions or tripling the number of IRS audits. "In theory, each of these measures could bring in some additional revenue," Paulson said. "But the cost of compliance for individuals and businesses -- most of whom already pay what they owe -- would far outweigh the gains."

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not very surprising

that this kind of stuff was going to happen. Democrats have zero restraint when it comes to spending regardless of all the nonsense they preached about during previous congresses and while campaigning for 2006.

Balanced budgets... right.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Republicans PROVED they had zero restraint

All you can say so far about the Democrats is that there has been some foot-dragging. That always happens in politics, especially when you have a situation where the majority is essentially going to be voluntarily giving up a bit of its power (re: Earmark Reform). It's sleazy, and I have diaried against Democratic Leadership on the issue, but at least Earmark Reform is in the pipeline and Democrats like me are pushing it. Where were you for all those years of Republican rule, while they were racking up trillions in debt with NO action at all???

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I was

criticizing what they were doing. A lot of what had happened during those years was repugnant to economic small government conservatives.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Um....nope.

(former) President Bill Cliinton balanced the budget, and, therefore, as a result, when Bush took office, there was a sizeable surplus when Dubya first took office in 2001. Now, thanks to Dubya's lack of restraint, plus our war on Iraq, there's a huge deficit.

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the only reason the budget was balanced

was because Newt Gingrich's (real) conservative GOP held his feet to the fire and forced spending reductions. I seem to also remember Democrats barely defeating (by just a couple of votes?) the Balanced Budget Constitutional Amendment when GOP tried to really force restraint in government spending for the foreseeable future.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I remember that fight

The Clinton Budget was passed with many dire warnings and not one single Republican vote.

I had reservations about many things done by Clinton, but streamlining Government, that was Al Gore's primary focus as vice president, (ie the main job given him by Clinton), was perhaps the biggest success of the Clinton Presidency, and perhaps the first thing overthrown by his successor.

The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.

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What planet are you living on?

You talk about Democrats having no restraint?

As part of the same measure, congressional negotiators also tentatively agreed on about $25 billion not requested by Bush for medical care for troops and veterans, aid to the victims of Hurricane Katrina, farm disaster relief and other programs.

Which of those do you think are unworthy of being funded?

If you are going to suggest that this is wasteful spending, then tell us how those programs are wasteful.

And if you are so concerned about wasteful spending, then why do you suport the Republican Party? The GOP gave us the Bridge to Nowhere, which is still being funded BTW thanks to the Republican Congress. The GOP gave us the corpoirate giveaway known as the prescription drug benefit for Medicare that forbade the government from negotiating for better prices because that would reduce the profit margin for Big Pharma.

And how about the billions and billions that have been flushed down the Iraq toilet?

A Republican preaching about fiscal restraint today is like a hooker preaching abstinence.

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Agree with some of this...

Yes, Democratic leadership in the Senate is draggisng its feet on earmark reform. It's not a real mystery why... both Reed and Durbin are on the Appropriations Committee.

To be fair, some Democrats are bucking leadership. Freshman Senator Claire McCaskill is a co-sponsor of the DeMint Amendment. And nine Democratic Senators went against leadership on the Demint Amendment back in January.

I'm in favor of vastly increasing the number of IRS agents.  We need to be doing more audits because people simply don't have any fear of the IRS as it is.  Many  people/businesses aren't paying all the tax that they owe.  If you are paying what you owe, you have nothing to be afraid of from an IRS audit.

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Tax code is so complex it's impossible not to make mistakes

If you are paying what you owe, you have nothing to be afraid of from an IRS audit.

Paying what I owe -- according to what interpretation of the tax laws? The tax laws and regulations are *extremely* complex, and I have numerous times in my own personal experience run into gray areas. I make my best effort to comply meticulously, and yet I *am* afraid of an audit, because the law is so that complex that it's highly probable I've made mistakes.

The real solution is tax simplification. Get rid of most of the silly deductions, credits, etc., and make it easier for law-abiding citizens to do the right thing. The President's tax reform panel came up with some very good ideas on simplification (have you read their report? it's quite enlightening), but unfortunately those ideas went nowhere in Congress.

I would go much further than the President's panel -- I think we should adopt a flat tax with a rate in the teens and a generous exemption for low incomes. Completely throw out all deductions and credits. No mortgage deduction. No charitable deduction. No state/local tax deduction. No child tax credit. No EITC. No more tax-exempt municipal bonds. Also end the double taxation of dividends/capital gains -- tax them either once at the corporate level or once at the individual level, at exactly the same rate as all other income.

Low rates happen to have the nice side benefit that they decrease the incentive to evade taxes. Underreporting income is a lot more tempting when you face a marginal rate of 40% rather than 20%.

I'm in favor of vastly increasing the number of IRS agents. We need to be doing more audits because people simply don't have any fear of the IRS as it is.

Do you really want a society where people are afraid of their own government?

Recall, the reason IRS enforcement was cut in the 90s was in reaction to perceptions of overly aggressive enforcement.

Will more agents and more audits really help? I find it unlikely that they will help substantially -- maybe a bit on the margin, but not a whole lot in the big scheme of things. If you really want to catch more tax evasion you have to put in place some fairly gross invasions of personal privacy. For starters, things like the proposal floating around that EBay and other online auction sites be required to report sellers' revenues to the IRS.

Even if you ignore privacy issues, increased IRS disclosure means more regulatory paperwork and bureaucracy for law-abiding citizens and businesses. Americans already waste billions of man-hours each year complying with the tax code. Do we really need to make this problem worse? Employing people as tax preparers, tax auditors, and tax software engineers is an unproductive use of our citizens' precious human capital.

Why not follow the lead of countries like Estonia, where not only do they have a flat tax, but the average citizen can do their taxes online in 10-15 minutes?

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Not opposed to tax reform

...Though the complexity claims for the average person are overblown.  Turbotax is quick and easy, and I'm sure that my returns have been slightly more complex than average (I've traded stocks, I've been self-employed, I've moved between states in the middle of a year, I've had poker winnings to report, etc.)

Can I get a link to the president's tax reform panel report? 

Do you really want a society where people are afraid of their own government?

I want would-be-criminals to be afraid of the police... and I want would-be-tax-cheats to have a little fear of the IRS, yes.

Recall, the reason IRS enforcement was cut in the 90s was in reaction to perceptions of overly aggressive enforcement.

It's swun the other way of late.  Audit rates for people earning $25000-$100000 per year have been down to 1 in 377 returns.  At those low rates, most people could expect to go thru life without ever having their return inspected.  That's just an invitation for ethically challenged people to underreport.  It pisses me off because I pay my tax.

 Will more agents and more audits really help? I find it unlikely that they will help substantially -- maybe a bit on the margin, but not a whole lot in the big scheme of things. If you really want to catch more tax evasion you have to put in place some fairly gross invasions of personal privacy. For starters, things like the proposal floating around that EBay and other online auction sites be required to report sellers' revenues to the IRS.

   Not so... each agent on average brings in many multiples of their compensation each year-- and that's in an environment where these extra reporting requirements don't exist.  

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Link

http://www.taxreformpanel.gov/

I have a very hard time seeing how anyone on either side politically could really object to the "Simplified Income Tax Plan" it presents. Neither side will think it is perfect. But it simplifies things a lot, and it collects the same revenue as the current tax code and has the same level of progressivity. In a saner world, it would have become law already.

...Though the complexity claims for the average person are overblown. Turbotax is quick and easy, and I'm sure that my returns have been slightly more complex than average (I've traded stocks, I've been self-employed, I've moved between states in the middle of a year, I've had poker winnings to report, etc.)

Mine is definitely more complex than average; I've been audited (just a computer audit, not a person... yet); and I've also had to refile several times. (So far the government has been wasting its time with the audit; it actually *reduced* my tax liability.)

Don't count just the amount of time spent filling out forms. Count also the amount of money spent on the software, on e-filing fees, on professional prepapers and tax accountants, and on lawyers. Count also the amount of time spent *not* at tax time. How much time do I spend trying to minimize my capital gains, for example?

Not so... each agent on average brings in many multiples of their compensation each year-- and that's in an environment where these extra reporting requirements don't exist.

I think you are misreading my comment. It may help -- I just have a hard time believing it will help *substantially*. The amount of enforcement it would take to get from 85% of revenues collected to, say, 90% of revenues collected is very, very high, and I have to imagine it would inspire another backlash.

Measuring the cost/benefit tradeoff by measuring the number of dollars collected and then subtracting the salary of the employee is not the right way to do things. Two problems:

1. You're not counting private-sector compliance costs -- how much extra time and money does it take to comply with the extra enforcement? When you audit someone you are costing them at least a few hours of *their* time, minimum. When you tell EBay to file those 1099's, you are costing people millions of man-hours in total. (Just writing, debugging, and maintaining the internal EBay software to generate those 1099's would already probably cost tens of thousands of man-hours.)

2. The government gains revenue, yes, but the money is just being taken from the private sector. Tax enforcement is, in net, not a productive economic activity -- it just moves money around. Now, some of those people the money is being taken from didn't deserve to keep that money, but let's not deceive ourselves into thinking that we are creating wealth here. On net, we are destroying it.

What we should be looking for are win-win solutions. How can we get people to pay more of their taxes voluntarily? How can we make the best use of limited enforcement resources? How can we reduce the private-sector compliance costs of the tax code?

Tax reform provides a great win-win solution. Low tax rates encourage voluntary compliance. Elimination of deductions ensures that enforcement goes to tracking down missing income rather than finding overstated deductions.

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Um....nope.

"Do you really want a society where people are afraid of their own government?"

We've already got a society where people are afraid of their own government. Don't kid yourself.

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Simplified tax code

Income is less than $45,000 a year 0% tax
Anything over $45,000 a year 100% tax.

That'd be pretty simple, really.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Yikes!

That would be a little too simple I guess, lol!

But seriously, what's crazy is that there was a time where the highest tax brackets were as high as 91% until JFK brought it down to 70% (and Reagan subsequently brought it down to 50%).

I can't imagine having the government taking 90% of my earnings no matter how much I make.

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90% taxes had a point,

From My Blog

How to do you do a fair tax? it is very easy! Everybody gets zero tax on the first $10,000, no matter your total, add 1% on each of the next $10,000 so 20k pays $100 ( 0 + 100), 30k pays $300 (0 + 100 + 200), 100k pays $4,500 ( 0 + 100 + 200 ...+900) still a total rate of only 4.5%. Only those people with incomes larger than most countries would pay huge taxes as the taxes on the smaller amounts would be taxed exactly the same for everyone who made it to that place.

Corporations might have slightly different numbers but would also be similarly taxed according to the size of the total corporation, that way the smaller corporation would have a competitive advantage in taxes to offset the disadvantage of the power that scale confers. (if you think that scale is efficiency and not power, think of efficiency of scale as a ten acre hamburger stand, and power of scale as McDonalds)

There is no magic market, Money provides power and power provides money, it is a one way ticket to a feudal system. Only by Government intervention to act as friction where needed at the top and oil where needed at the bottom can a balance of real civilization be found.

Money at the top is power and needs only to be restrained, it will still prosper in spite of restraint. At the bottom is pent up energy that can explode in creativity if only it is enabled, it is the only place that really good ideas come from, they will never come from the self satisfied.

When those taxes were at 90% (and shortly after) this country reached its high water mark of collective and universal wealth. It has been down hill at ever faster pace ever since. For a thousand years parents envied the lives of their children. Now we are beginning to see that reverse.

To see the real scale of income in this country see The L-Curve: A Graph of the US Income Distribution The mathematics of "the long tail" is analyzed from a marketing point of view usually, but the same math can be reversed to provide a good life for almost everybody.

The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.

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Collective and Universal Wealth?

We had a smaller middle class then than we do now, didn't we? I'm in the school where if you tell me that once you reach a certain "level" that no matter how much capital and investment you make, that I will only get access to 10% of it while the rest goes to the Greater Good and Great Society programs, I'll probably be less driven to add such value to the economy.

Only those people with incomes larger than most countries would pay huge taxes as the taxes on the smaller amounts would be taxed exactly the same for everyone who made it to that place.

Which is where the unfair comes in. Problem is, as wealth spreads, more and more people can fall into the category of what is considered "Rich." Today, if you make over 200,000 a year, you're rich by government standards. Could you imagine a 90% tax rate for families making this much in today's age?

This is how the AMT came to affect people it wasn't intended to. Originally for the rich, now it's affecting more and more middle class citizens.

And if the idea is to take 90% of a certain level and fund the government's wealth distribution programs, I don't think it worked too well because today I heard a report that at these 35% tax rates we've had the largest tax collection ever! I mean really, how much money does the government need? I think the idea is to stop enabling them, not allow them more money to fund their lobbyist friends.

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If you had followed the links

You would see that your idea of fair is a bit skewed, the idea is NOT to redistribute wealth, but to make the original distribution fair, by providing a brake to the fact that the power of money is itself able to force an unfair distribution. To say nothing of looting the Commons.

I think that if you look up the numbers, the percentage of people who can afford to own a house, at least one car less than five years old, take at least one two week traveling vacation a year, raise and pay for college for two kids, and have money in pension and savings for comfortable retirement, and do so on a single salary, has dropped dramatically. To do so on a blue color job is now almost nonexistent where then it was common.

Figured by the job the of the salary of the blue collar worker has gone up hardly at all while costs have gone up tenfold. A countryside of cratered businesses and shattered towns, where once there was a thriving middle class, have not been made up by some magic growth somewhere else.

As for your link, that is a most misleading statistic, ignoring inflation, early filing and the fact that the tax burden has fallen much more to those with lower salaries, along with an increase in last minute filings, that make a single month bump. Notice that they talk about the month not the year.

This administration has also politicized the reporting so much that the statistics are increasingly unreliable, and must be taken as the most positive spin they can muster. One often sees the real numbers, revised as much worse, months later on the back pages and out of context.

As for the amount taken in, the huge deficits would indicate that it is not enough to pay the bill, and that a very large and increasing percentage is to just pay the interest on the debt. If interest rates rise all the government will be able to do with all the money is pay the interest on the debt!

As for the total amount I suspect that an honest accounting would show that less than a tenth of the budget goes to what it is intended, with primary fraud being the military pirates, and the primary fraud in that in Iraq. What little is known is that there is not even receipts for much of the money.

Between Government and Industry I think if we washed all the fraud and abuse out we would again find ourselves with collective and universal wealth.

The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.

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huh.

Democrats trying to massively expand a federal health care entitlement program, despite the fact that the program's supposedly "underfunded" nature would disappear in an instant if it were to refocus on its original mandate and stop covering adults and the middle class

Universal health care is massively popular. You're honestly complaining that dems are making some small moves toward a policy that has long been a party plank and is wanted by the majority of americans?

Congress may be removing those embarrassing spinach and peanut subsidies from the Iraq war funding bill, but they're still leaving in the extra $25 billion in non-emergency spending (like more farm subsidies) -- never mind that as non-emergency items these could be dealt with as part of the 2008 budget instead

The problem with that is that these were the things the Republicans left out of the 2007 budget because they were too busy pouting about the election to do their job. This is a supplemental for 2007 not 2008, so no they couldn't have just been left to the 2008 budget unless the items were going to miss an entire year of funding.

On the earmark stuff I agree with you. Then again I never expected the dems to actually do anything about it. I always figured they were lying.

Turns out that those supposedly "moderate" or "conservative" Democrats who won in Bush districts are voting the liberal party line

After all the boasting on Redstate that the dems had a pyrrhic victory because of blue dog democrat victories I can only say this:

I came. I saw. I posted.
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Fiscal responsibility

Spending our tax dollars on healthcare is the best investment I can think of. We will yield fantastic returns from this investment. I dare a conservative to show that a country that invests in its health suffers in the long run from their policy.

Canadians spends a third per person on healthcare that Americans do, and have a superior system to boot (superiority being defined by access to care, which is a severe problem in our ironically higher-tech medical system).

Socialized medicine is the best thing since sliced bread; best thing since socialized police, army, schools, roads, and mail systems. It's called "infrastructure" and it's a damn good investment. Leaving our nation's health in the hands of the free market (which is awful at determining real value) is not only immoral, it's also grossly inefficient.

The key to remember is that NOBODY wants health care; health care is something people would rather not have to need. There is zero incentive to get more healthcare than one needs, unlike food stamps or rent money. In the same way that nobody wants more soldiers fighting or cops arresting; the less of that happening, the more successful we have proven ourselves to be as a country (i.e. we have less conflicts and less crime). Therefore, parceling out healthcare like a desired commodity is simply rediculous.

Socialisme ou Barbarie!

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How do you come to this conclusion?

Canadians spends a third per person on healthcare that Americans do, and have a superior system to boot (superiority being defined by access to care, which is a severe problem in our ironically higher-tech medical system).

If their "access" is so great, how do you explain the fact that so many of them are crossing the border to get health care in the US? If you define "access to healthcare" as being "able to get it when you need it" I would argue that both the Canadian and UK systems are a failure.

Likewise, there is a trend afoot in Canada to push for access to Private Healthcare within the country:

TORONTO The cracks are still small in the vaunted Canadian public health insurance system, but several of the largest Canadian provinces are beginning to open the way for private health care eventually to take root around the country.

Last week, the Quebec government proposed to lift a ban on private health insurance for several elective surgical procedures and announced it would pay for such surgeries at private clinics when waiting times at public facilities were unreasonable.

Here is a perspective from the UK :

Increasing numbers of patients are paying for private "top-up" treatments alongside NHS care, meaning the health service is no longer free, a report by leading doctors warns today.

The doctors have written to all three main political parties, and the Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt, outlining their concerns that the idea of a free health service is a "political mirage".

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"Without reform to health funding, the use of 'top-up' payments is likely to increase due to the upwards pressure on medical costs, the limits to tax-financing and ... the increasing importance of consumer choice," the study said.

It blamed patchy provision of NHS services across the UK, long waiting times and varied quality. It also pointed to the falling cost of private treatments due to advances in technology and increased competition between different firms.

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Sliced bread

is probably the greatest atrocity committed against good culinary taste since the time when humans first discovered the wild yeast's effect on the dough made from mashed grain and water.

Be it as it may "socialized medicine" is superior to the current US model which basically can be summed up as profiting off human misery.

A recent study by Harvard University researchers found that the average out-of-pocket medical debt for those who filed for bankruptcy was $12,000. The study noted that 68 percent of those who filed for bankruptcy had health insurance. In addition, the study found that 50 percent of all bankruptcy filings were partly the result of medical expenses. Every 30 seconds in the United States someone files for bankruptcy in the aftermath of a serious health problem.

Health Insurance Cost

Sic semper tyrannis

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Financial Cannibals

Disguised as free market captialists.

Hiding under every rock with promises to serve you your own ass after charging you for the exam the diagnosis is, its your fault your ass stinks.

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Those poor innocent

Republicans.... fall victim to democrats once again. Poor things.

They did such a good job when they controlled all three branches of govt.

You mischaracterize some of the spending measures, I see, such as Katrina Recovery not being emergency spending. We will disagree on that.

When the Republicans can stop putting war funding on the US credit card, get back to me.

I think the Iraqi's should have to tow the club for growth line...... pull yourself up by your bootstraps, no more US tax payer hand outs for you.

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Well said, for a Democrat :-)

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A little confused here,

but I think part of your confusion comes from conflating what you consider "fiscal responsibility" with what Democrats consider "fiscal responsibility".

Your version is lower taxes, lower government spending (except, I presume, billions wasted in Iraq and an adamant refusal to audit any of that missing money). Democrats' version is smart spending, rather than less spending. We can agree or disagree as to whether they're accomplishing that, but since increased health care coverage was always part of their plan, it seems disingenuous to criticize that as "fiscally irresponsible". See what I'm saying?

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Name a fiscal responsible Republican adminstration

Fiscally responsible Dem adminstration --was Bill Clinton.

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