We can win in Iraq

Neocons like to strut around and talk about great countries throughout time that have been willing to do what it takes militarily to achieve their goals. They hold up Israel as the modern example of a nation willing to strike out at its enemies without caring what the rest of the world thinks.

Iraq -- and then Syria and Iran -- were supposed to demonstrate similar American prowess and determination to "do what it takes" to reshape the world -- except our military might is so immense and overpowering that we would not need to resort to the brutality of conquerors throughout history. We would have no need to lay waste to an entire city because we have missiles we can guide through a specific window in a building.

They were wrong. To win in Iraq we don't need Gen. David Petraeus. We need Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman.

Here is the formula for Ultimate Glorious Victory in Iraq and American Dominance of World Oil Supplies:

1. We drop the entire notion of nurturing a multi-ethnic democracy in Iraq. It's never going to happen.

2. We forge an alliance with the Shiite government of Nouri al-Maliki and also with Muqtada al-Sadr. They will be our new best friends and allies.

3. We forge a separate alliance with the Kurds, recognize an independent nation of Kurdistan and move 50,000 troops to permanent bases there.

4. We reach detente with Iran, normalize relations, sell them arms, upgrade their air force to match the Saudis and invite their influence in Iraq and Afghanistan. In exchange, Iran must help to crush the Taliban, bring stability to Iraq, cut off aid to Hezbollah and STFU about Israel. The Israelis are told to sit this one out.

5. We give our new Kurdish proxies the green light to annex Kirkuk and Mosul and pacify both cities as they see fit.

6. With our new Shiite allies we declare war on the Sunni population of Anbar Province. Shiite militias are incorporated into the new Iraqi Army, which is entirely Shiite with loyalty to a Shiite government. The Iraqi Army pacifies Baghdad by purging it of its Sunni population, driving thousands west toward Anbar Province.

7. Iraqi Army units backed by American troops and air power move into Anbar and ruthlessly crush Sunni opposition. Cities and villages that resist are bombed into rubble. Refugees are driven west toward Syria and Jordan and south to Saudi Arabia. The loss of life is horrendous. Condemnation from the rest of the world is loud but falls on deaf ears.

8. A Shiite government now rules over a smaller Iraq (minus Kurdistan) with the assistance of our new Iranian allies.

9. The Saudis become hysterical and launch a secret effort to acquire a nuclear deterrent (assuming they do not already have one). Eventually they cut a deal with the new reality because that's what they do best.

10. Syria, stripped of its Iranian and Hezbollah allies, sees the handwriting on the wall and reaches a peace deal with Israel.

11. We stand astride the Middle East like a Colossus. Bush is hailed as the greatest bad ass since Ghengis Khan.

12. Much of Anbar Province is in ruins. Cities have been leveled. More than a million have died. Iraqi military rule brutally crushes any hint of dissent. Maliki is the new Saddam, but he's our Saddam.

13. There would be resistance at home to such a plan, of course. But nothing in America succeeds quite like success. After the initial shock and horror, the MSM would fall into line and report on Fallujah and Ramadi being liberated from al Qaeda terrorists and how Iraq needs a strong leader to transition the nation to eventual democracy. American hegemony over the Middle East will be proclaimed as the dawning of a new era. Tom Friedman will be beside himself with glee.

That's it. Pretty simple really.

Victory is within our grasp -- and it would take a relatively short time to achieve it. It doesn't take as long as you might think to slaughter hundreds of thousands, as the Hutus and Tutsis demonstrated in Rwanda.

All we have to do is be willing to dispense with our national conscience and commit murder and crimes against humanity on an unprecedented scale. The price of victory would be our soul.

For the short term, America would be at the apex of its power. For the long term, the decay will have begun that would eventually lead to our collapse. As surely as Imperial Rome rotted from within, so would we. Our children would thank us; our great-grandchildren would loathe and despise us and tear down our statues.

Would America ever do such a horrible thing? Well, we've done horrible things before. We nearly annihilated our native population. We enslaved millions of Africans. We incinerated two Japanese cities. Sherman burned everything from Atlanta to Savannah. We invented excuses for war in order to seize the American Southwest, Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines. Every bit of it was excused at the time as necessary to achieve a greater good and fulfill our Manifest Destiny. And every bit of it was eventually repudiated.

There was a time when I would have said that Americans would never allow our government to take us down such a path yet again. Surely we had learned something in 220 years. But the enduring lesson of 9/11 will be that it doesn't take much to set off a national panic and a rush to exchange freedom for security.

Who could have imagined just 10 years ago that America would torture prisoners in secret prisons, wiretap without warrants and debate whether the Constitution explicitly grants a right to habeas corpus?

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Sad isn't it.

I really don't see how we can "fix" this broken country of Iraq. It is going to take years!

I believe that day that we have a "other than Bush" President the world will breathe a huge collective sigh of relief. And hopefully we can start rebuilding all that has been broken.

The ONLY high point in all this for me, is that it has torn the Republicans to shreds and has become the mantle for their downfall.

It seems like every day, even twice a day we hear about another resignation of yet another administration official, due either to corruption or disgust.

I laugh out loud at this one.

Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias submitted his resignation Friday, one day after confirming to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. escort service whose owner has been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution operation. Tobias, 65, Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and administrator of the US Agency for International Development (USAID), had previously served as the Ambassador for the President’s Emergency Fund for AIDS Relief.

And wait for it. ...... .. he was a strong advocate for the abstinence only program. Un-frickin-believable.

From Another ONe Jumps Ship

The complete failure of the conservative ideology. Public service and Ayn Rand don't go hand in hand.

To run a good government you have to believe in good government, which means you have to believe in public service and helping people for the sake of helping people, not for purely profit motives.

It is the economy, stupid.

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But but but....

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Grrrr

This RedState comment sums it up nicely. I wish I could believe that the poster is sincere. But I doubt it. Next week he'll still be blaming the wrong people for how this adventure has turned out.

Up until this week I've been angry enough to do things I can't talk about in public to elected Democrats. This week, that's changed. The problem, I finally realized is NOT Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, etal. The problem is a complete and utter lack of leadership from Republicans.

George W. Bush, Bill Frist, Denny Hastert, Mitch McConnell, Tom Delay, John Bohener, Roy Blunt.

These people are the elected leadership of the Republican Party. Individually and as a group they couldn't lead an alcoholic to a drink. I'm just waiting to see how bad this war funding fiasco turns out, but I can tell you for sure I'm glad my son is no longer on active duty with the Marine Corps. Not a one of the above idiots deserve the loyalty of our military.

It's simply shameful. They are simply shameful.

http://ww.redstate.com/blogs/haystack/2007/apr/27/stop_looking_at_your_b...

But yet, even with all the evidence slapping them in the face, they cannot acknowledge their own culpability. Mr Bush did not win the presidency on his own.

If you elected this man and his cohorts, YOU are the author of our current mess. YOU are responsible. Actions have consequences. This crap is YOUR FAULT.

If you want to avoid a repeat you need to examine your own thoughts and motives. Quit blaming somebody else for your own lack of discernment. Examine what you have wrought and fix the flaws within your own character.

Quaoar lays out the outcome of your decisions in graphic detail. Happy now?

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Although I don't post on RedState.com or any other rightwing

blog(s), I have to concede that, despite my own doubts of the sincerity of the person who posted that quote, I tend to agree with with that posting says. Bush has proven to be a total embarassment to many in the Republican Party, not to mention his own family, namely his father.

Contrary to some popular belief, Dubya did not win the 2004 Presidential election fair and square!! It, too, was stolen from right under our noses, only this time in Ohio, through much more insidious means.
The fact that this was allowed to happen twice indicates the sad state of the American electorate today. Hopefully, Americans are waking up to that fact.

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Hard Questions

William Kristol Unedited

Faces Questions

from a Military Wife on CSpan

This is another consequence.

The military will become more and more demoralized with every extension of their tours of duty. It would not surprise me if after this 3 month extension, they will be extended yet again.

Why? Because this war is stretching our military to the breaking point. And Osama bin Laden, who has acute political skills, doesn't mind waiting for that to happen.

It is the economy, stupid.

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I like your point 3 about

moving our troops to Kurdistan and making it a separate country.

name the enemy, win the war

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Kurdistan

Peter Galbraith made many deep connections with the Kurds and as far as I can tell was the first major American to talk about breaking up the country in his book "out of Iraq".

Ambassador Galbraith does not believe that this would upset the Turks, and I was willing to take him at his word having a much deeper knowledge of the area than myself.

However the Turks and the Iranians do indeed seem very upset at this, and are apparently barely restraining themselves from invading Iraq themselves to squash the Kurds. Meanwhile the Kurds are acting like the kid with his big brother watching who is instigating conflict at every turn.

On the Sunni-Shia front the situation is much worse. Because Iran is our new worst enemy, the US has been helping Kurds and Sunni groups (even Al Queda) to attack Shiites, and Iranians in a desperate effort to not give Iraq to Iran (mostly too late).

The place was always a powder keg, but the GOP keep trying to put out all the fires by spraying with gasoline.

The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.

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If the Turks invaded Kurdistan

they would be met by fierce resistance from battle-hardened peshmerga. Turkey would take thousands of casualties and would likely ignite a full-blown insurgency among their own Kurdish population. There would be suicide car bombings going off in Ankara and Istanbul on a regular basis. The international business relations that Turkey has spent decades cultivating would flee.

This is a genie that Turkey cannot stuff back into the bottle.

qui tacet consentire

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Are we sure?

Are the Peshmerga up to fighting a real military (as opposed to other paramilitary groups which they seem to fight just fine)?

Wait, does Turkey have a real military to speak of?

What happens if Turkey, as a NATO member, invades kurdish Iraq to hunt down terrorists (PKK)? Isn't NATO obligated to support them? Would we have any standing to stop them since we already kind of said that preemptive war against terrorist supporting states is a god given right?

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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I fully expect Bush to sell out the Kurds

So I doubt he would come to their aid.

The peshmerga are a far more effective fighting force than the Sunni insurgents and are much better than the Iraqi Army. Kurdish units are called on to handle missions in Baghdad and Anbar Province.

Despite that, they could not keep the Turkish Army out of Kurdistan. For one thing, they have no air force to speak of. But they would be a formidable guerrilla army that would bleed the Turks to death. Ethnic Turkmen living in Kurdistan would become targets as well.

qui tacet consentire

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Some turks still remember how to be Ottomans

And they are mostly in the Turkish military. They are a much less open society than the US (I think) and their press would fall into a much straighter line much more quickly. After a single car bomb in Ankara, they would round up all the ethnic kurds within Turkey, kill half the able-bodied men just to show they mean business, and imprison the rest in a way that would make internment of the Japs in WWII look like summer camp. Then they would invade Kurdish part of Iraq in a bloody onslaught, also kill half the able bodied men just to show they mean business. Then they would establish a bloody occupation that would show the world Israel really DOES treat the West Bank and Gaza with kid gloves in comparison.

It is amazing how much you can accomplish with limited resources if you completely disregard any value of human life. Case in point - Darfur.

You know your empire's crumbling when people are getting more religious and less scientific, not the other way around. --David Michael Green

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I think mgoltsman & quaoar are both right

The Kurds are exactly where the Jews were after WW2, they lived under the repression of another government that they did not control, and that government tried to commit Genocide on them. They have a partial homeland now, and want all that they consider theirs, they want it "safe" and have even less "others" to consider than the Israelis do.

Once folk have tried to commit genocide on you, the fear of a repeat will drive an aggression that your culture would not have considered before the attempted genocide. (imagine Israeli's ancestors of 150 years ago told what their descendants are up to. I don't think they would approve.)

I could easily see the Kurds following the Israeli example.

The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.

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Whoa! Gen. Odom Responds

Check this out. Nancy Pelosi picked Gen. Odom to do the democratic radio address.

He states the President has been A.W.O.L.

Here's the text:

"To put this in a simple army metaphor, the Commander-in-Chief seems to have gone AWOL, the acronym for 'absent without leave.' He neither acts nor talks as though he is in charge."

"I am not now nor have I ever been a Democrat or a Republican. Thus I do not speak for the Democratic Party. I speak for myself, as a non-partisan retired military officer who is a former director of the National Security Agency."

"Over the past couple of years, the President has let it proceed on automatic pilot, making no corrections in the face of accumulating evidence that his strategy is failing and cannot be rescued. Thus he lets the United States fly farther and farther into trouble, squandering its influence, money, and blood, facilitating the gains of our enemies." Congress, he believes, is now "the only mechanism we have to fill this vacuum in command judgment."

Reminding that "we are in a crisis," the general argued that "the challenge we face today is not how to win in Iraq; it is how to recover from a strategic mistake: invading Iraq in the first place. The war could never have served American interests."

BUT "it has served Iran's interest by revenging Saddam Hussein's invasion of Iran in the 1980s and enhancing Iran's influence within Iraq. It has also served al Qaeda's interests, providing a much better training ground than did Afghanistan, allowing it to build its ranks far above the levels and competence that otherwise would have been possible."

Therefore, said Odom, the U.S. "cannot 'win' a war that serves our enemies' interest and not our own. Continuing to pursue the illusion of victory in Iraq makes no sense. We can now see that it never did."

He ended the address by asking the President to not veto the dems bill, saying it would be an act of courage.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Wow that was powerful.

I hope more Generals speak up like him.

I hope Gen Powell will resurrect his reputation by also speaking up and supporting the bill.

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General Odom had it exactly right!!

Dubya has gone AWOL.

missliberties: I second your opinion wishing that more generals would speak up the way General Odom did.

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