Why I left GOP (response to dkos diary)

Crossposted on DKos

Two days ago LarryInNYC wrote a diary titled Another Red Stater Reaches The End(er) Of His Rope. about my diary on Swords Crossed: Iraq, Bush, Congress and USA . I was somewhat embarrased by Larry's diary because I don't actively participate at RedState any longer. That kind of a "rat leaving the sinking ship" image does not help that blog, many members of which I respect. So, I would like to clarify that I am in no way affiliated with RedState nor should it reflect negatively on them. Yes my nickname means Ender from RedState but I created it over a year ago when I was a somewhat more active user there.

So I want to quickly recap why I am leaving the GOP and then address where I stand and what our points of agreement are.

Many of you know that I originally came from USSR in 1990 at the age of 13. When I first started paying attention to politics in my senior year of High School, I quickly realized that I was a republican/conservative. I remember watching Newt presenting his Contract with America and knew that those were the principles I admired. I became a registered Republican in 1995 after becoming a US Citizen. Though I was a strong economic/pro-defense Conservative I slowly moved towards social conservatism because those were the positions of many of our allies in the GOP and since they were opposed by the Left, I was biased towards them.

I discovered blogging at the end of 2005 (though I've spend plenty of time debating politics on a chess site - chessclub.com for many years prior) and started reading RedState and LGF. Later I found DailyKos and started reading it as well - lurking to get interesting news of the day and liberal strategies. When Armando decided to create a cross-ideological debate blog Swords Crossed along with his Conservative counterpart Trevino, I jumped on that idea as I was a lot more comfortable sparring and fighting with the opposition than preaching to the choir. Eventually after Trevino and Armando left for various reasons, I became one of the FPers there (for sheer lack of any other consistent conservatives - not due to any talent or notoriety). To make a long story short, I moderated socially (bringing myself back to what always logically made sense) and remained a staunch fiscal and pro-defense conservative as I've been throughout my life.

I voted for Bush twice. Yes, and again I am not offering any apologies. As a RightWinger I believed that there did not exist a single democrat who would've been better on both the Economy and the War on Terror. I understand that many here would condemn me for it, for supporting the war in Iraq, and many other things that Liberals here consider transgressions of the Administration against US and the World. Tough. That's how I felt at the time, and on many of the different things (gitmo, nsa spying, secret facilities abroad, etc) I still strongly disagree with 99.9% of the DailyKos. I also don't feel the need to apologize for my past or present personal views.

I will however acknowledge quite a lot of self-inflicted blindness towards the Republican party. I overlooked a lot of sins, errors, corruption, lies, and ineptitude over the last six years. What people should understand is that some (though of course not all) of us on the Right, who are somewhat more conservative economically than the average Republican, have a different ideological foundation from many of you on the Left and often cannot consider voting for the Democratic Party. Even in the worst of times it is a contest of evils and GOP is the lesser. The Democratic Party is incredibly demonized in my mind as the Party of the slide towards socialism, groupthink, pacifism, lax on law and order, etc. On the other hand GOP was so lionized that it took a long long time for my trembling and clouded awareness to defeat my mind's forces of self-deception and self-persuasion. Add to that a soothing (yet totally disconnected from reality) siren's (GOP's) song of their desire and drive towards fulfilling our ideological goals and dreams and you can begin to understand that some idealists would forcefully delude themselves into thinking that everything will work out.

I can also publically acknowledge the great possibility that both Gore and Kerry would've produced better results than Bush on most different fronts. Not on the Supreme Court or other Federal judges, nor on tax cuts, but pretty much everything else would've led to a better and smarter outcome.

I think I've been wandering in the mist for far too long. I finally recognized that the Republican Party is currently not the Conservative Party. They have become incredibly corrupt and also lost track of their ideological foundation. They have allowed an inept and foolish President to follow through with error after error that were inconsistent with what the Party stood for. The Republican Congress has endorsed the anti-conservative spending without restraint, has little care for the deficit, has not criticised the ill-advised Iraq war, and instead chose to bend over for everything that came down the pike from the foolish and arrogant executive. What some claim is a stand of principle over Iraq is in reality an inability to adjust and change in response to adversity and none of the elected republicans chose to question it. The knee-jerk loyalty to stupidity, anti-conservative principles of large government, high spending, stupid foreign policy, and idiotic war policy leaves me very troubled with the current state of the Republican Party. It's obvious that the Bush administration moved in the wrong direction in the War on Terror when it decided to follow up with the fervent wish to take revenge on Iraq regardless of where greater threats resided. It is troubling that it took me so long to take an objective look at why I gave the same exact breaks to and excuses for GOP but I finally did it. Because the current state of the Republican party is so obnoxious and shows no desire to change, I decided to leave it. For now.

I am an idealist. I like Newt Gingrich because he thinks and engages in the arena of ideas and also because he is a futurist. I am a futurist too. I spend a lot of time thinking of how humanity can improve itself and what policies and moves will benefit our country and the planet in the future. But I am a RightWinger because:

- I believe that individual rights trump community rights and individual liberty is the most important thing we have in Civilized Society.
- I believe in objective morality, right and wrong, good and evil.
- I believe that personal responsibility makes government help unnecessary to the vast majority of individuals currently being helped.
- I believe that the true constitutional role of the government is to provide for defense of our country from all threats foreign and domestic, and for the judiciary system at home for the purpose of protecting individual rights and punishing the criminals.
- I believe that our government should in general be smaller, smarter, and more efficient.
- I believe that currently public assets like the School System and our Infrastructure should be wholly privatized along with increased oversight from the government and strict regulations to protect against lowered standards, ripoffs, and lowered quality.
- I believe that success should never be penalized with higher taxes and private enterprise should not be limited.
- I do not believe in "socially responsible" capitalism and that capitalism is moral in itself by allowing individuals to achieve to their fullest potential.
- I believe that free markets and globalization are not something that should ever be limited from our end, regardless of how it might affect us. It is fair to let the chips fall where they may.
- I believe that corporations and other businesses should never be limited in their ability to expand but common sense regulations of the environmental impact and corruption are necessary and should be vigorously enforced. Corporate influence in government should be limited.
- I believe that US should have a strong and vibrant military ready to engage our enemies when real threats present themselves.
- I believe that we should use our economic muscle (whether through trade incentives/punishment, or even foreign aid) to better the World and work towards changing the worst governments on Earth.

Issues and Views in which I have more in common with the Left include:

- I am pro-choice along with supporting some small common sense restrictions.
- I am strongly pro-science - for Stem Cell research and Cloning research as well.
- I am agnostic and thus very secular in my outlook.
- I think it is possible for the Government to get some things right.
- I believe that compromise on our principles to get legislation moderately acceptable to both sides is ok to get things done.
- I want our education system improved regardless of whether it stays public or private
- I want Social Security and Medicare improved and protected regardless of whether it stays public or private
- I want US to be a moral leader to other nations.
- I want a full reform and cleanup of our Electoral System to make sure it is fair and above reproach.

Where does my leaving the GOP place me right now? In my Swords Crossed diary linked above I stated that I would vote against the Democratic Party any chance I get, but that is not really true. If I thought that it would be in the best interests of our country and help bring about change on my own side I would consider voting Democratic and I would try to persuade other Conservatives as well.

I realize that what I say here in this diary can be interpreted by others on my side as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Perhaps it is demoralizing. Unfortunately it needs to be said. President Bush and the Republican Congress have decimated the Republican Party by corruption, ineptitude, and disregard of conservative principles. They have left us weakened, and are showing no desire to change even in response to a very sharp rebuke of 2006 elections. I am not going to lend them support unless they undergo a fundamental restructuring and will continue showing my disgust. At the same time I will continue supporting Conservative principles in everything I write.

This diary is already too long so I will stop here. I know other Conservatives who came to the same conclusions as I had, and I hope many more others will do so soon. The sooner the better because it will hasten the time when we can start to rebuild and perhaps... hopefully... become the honest opposition that Americans can be proud of. If it takes engaging in the conversation with the Left, then so be it.

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New wind blowing

Hopefully the Republican party will come back towards the center and you'll be solidly within the mainstream of a party you can be proud to support.

In the meantime your introspection and self-reflection provide a useful model for us on the left, lest we grow complacent as we claim power.

I dunno what sort of reception this will get on dKos (or in conservative circles) but I think it is very well done.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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thanks man

I think it is getting an ok reception :)

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Thanks, Ender

Without your diary, I never would have found this site. I rarely post at DailyKos anymore because I didn't see the point of making comments when everyone around me agreed with me anyway. I like to mix it up a bit. Keep you sharp, you know?

Cyberactor

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Well, gosh, it's working already

Welcome to Swordscrossed!

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thank you :)

And welcome. We are a bit more like a slightly disfunctional family here but it's definitely a lot more "mixed up".

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Welcome Cyberactor!

Nice thing about here is, if you do find yourself at odds with someone, you can really let them have it and the next day it is (generally) forgotten :-)

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Well written

and I hope it sparks some curiosity about this blog, too.

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You need to

post this on RedState so we can get more conservatives here. Hopefully you could attract a few before the inevitable ban. :)

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida

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ummm

I am not sure I'd like to do that :)

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I would

shy away from the debates about ideology if I were you, lest Kos steps in and boots your butt for violating the rules.

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida

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yeah

it is getting a bit too deep there...

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Somebody

pulled out a nasty quote from your RS days (over a year ago) and is trying to spread it out over there as your current beliefs. I think you should address one of those (I tried, but I don't think I'm convincing anyone).

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida

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yeah oh well

what can I do... Whatever, it is not that important. I was not a friend to dkos, nor am I now. Did I claim that I was a friend? I certainly don't believe the stuff I said prior nor would I repeat such a rant.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Hmm

I could get used to this whole cursing thing =)

Not productive for civil conversation but useful in expressing oneself in a flame war.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Dude, it was from September of 06 n/t

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So great to see you here otto...

NOT!

heh... but you're welcome to stick around and engage all you want with Ender (or anyone else) as long as you follow the posting rules . Cheers.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Otto!

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Hi otto!

I hope you stick around to convert the, er, I mean discuss topics with the right-wingers here.

No hard feelings from our exchange. Ender frustrates the hell out of me too. I would rather try to fight these ideas rather than ignore them though.

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida

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Who's Otto?

He seems famous or infamous as the case may be.

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He's a Kossack

who was very skeptical of Ender's "conversion".  He posted a bunch of Ender's old RedState posts that were less than charitable (to put it mildly) to DailyKos and its participants.  He was a bit harsh, given the fact that Ender had already renounced the statements in question.

 

 

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This sounds interesting.

Kos now has a rule about debating ideology? Or do you just mean expressing a non-liberal ideology?

I truly have been staying away from dkos.

I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
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Well

the stated purpose is to further the democratic party and get democrats elected and not to debate republicans. That is why we are here instead of there. There are definitely debates, but not usually between the right and the left (same with RS, though less debate even internally to the Republican party at least on the surface).

I've only seen this 'rule' evoked a few times through troll ratings usually defined as thread jacks.

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida

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jeaz

LarryNYC has taken this series one diary too far :-P 

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Thanks, Ender, for a wonderful diary,

which I read with much interest and enjoyment.

Very articulate and well written, too.

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Idealism

You correctly typed yourself when you said you were an idealist. If I had to place you politically I would call you some flavor of libertarian. That is in favor of individual "freedom" and suspicious of government.

Your mistake was in thinking that a viable political party could follow idealistic principles. The GOP is the party of big business. Sometimes this means just supporting a business-friendly environment through tax policy and the like, but since the end of WWII it has meant supporting repressive regimes elsewhere and taking an active position to weaken the power of organized labor.

Once in power for an extended period of time the opportunities and temptations towards self enrichment become greater and people who have a private agenda start to be attracted to government because of this.

The Dem party used to represent workers, but has lost its way in the past 40 years and now doesn't know where it stands. The need to court big business for campaign funds and the weakening of the labor movement has meant that they don't know where to look for support. The rise in popularity of the Dems right now is more a sign of GOP fatigue than anything they have done right.

If you want to stay involved in practical politics you are going to have to temper your idealism with some acknowledgment of human fallibility. Idealism is good for debating in college poli-sci classes, but doesn't go far when trying to effect social policy.

We live in a highly interconnected world and the libertarian beliefs of self sufficiency and independence of action are never going to exist. We are not going back to the individual homesteader with his 40 acres.

What we need is more communal participation, not less. The challenges facing the planet from overpopulation, resource depletion and climate change can only be dealt with if everyone is pulling together. This means that some will have to sacrifice some of their independence for the greater good. In the case of the US and other developed countries this will most likely take the form of scaling back our level of consumerism.

The best way to ensure that change happens fairly is to support a true democracy and limit the power of special interests. Following false gods whether Bush or Gingrich is never the right approach. They are just not disinterested agents.

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Hi Ender ...

your diary resemles the sort of lesson many of us on the left have learned about the Democratic Party: political parties are patronage mills available to the highest bidder. It's up to idealists with principle to nag and push political parties to be more than corrupt echo chambers without conviction.

Politics is at its best when it's a competition for the marketplace of ideas. Ideally, the two party system works best when each party stands up for principle, is prepared for reasonable compromise and keeps the other honest. That isn't the case right now. For the current state of our politics I blame the far right wing and spineless triangulating Democrats who were too quick to give in.

Hopefully you reflect a new awakening in the country. I actually found myself in suprising agreement with Republican presidential candidate Tom Tancredo when appeared on ABC's This Week yesterday.

I disagree with Tancredo vehmently about immigration and most issues. But he spoke convincingly about how too many politicians say whatever will get them elected rather than what they mean. And he referenced Guiliani's response to the abortion question during the GOP debate and John Edwards who has changed numerous positions since 2004. Perhaps they've grown and evolved. We can all change our views. But somehow, when it comes to politicians it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. I very much appreciate Edward's rhetoric and specificity this campaign. But his performance yesterday made me uncomfortable. Can we believe any of these people?

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You've raised a very good point, Intrepid Liberal.

This point made about politicians often doing/saying anything for the vote reminded me of a passage that I read many years ago in a book by Binzen(whose first name i've forgotten), called "Whitetown: The Silent Majority", which is about Philadelphia's Kensington section, a white workingclass neighborhood in Philadelphia that's very much like Boston's Southie (South Boston) or Charlestown, or even Brooklyn's Bensonhurst, for instance.

In one instance, when the author interviewed residents of Kensington, one Kensington resident said, in reference to why their neighborhood was in decline" "The trouble is with crooked politicians who'll do anything for the vote." That does often ring true, especially today, which is unfortunate.

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I would prefer "vote" to "money"

I would prefer Honor above all, and pandering to "hot button" vote getting statements is despicable. But for every thought abandoning one liners that will never be enacted (if it could even be sensible enough to make into a policy), it is the quiet, very thought out policies, driven by campaign contributions, or increasingly outright bribery, that have the greatest effect, though it might never see a blip in the Media.

The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.

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Some long thoughts from a similar point.of view

Scott Ritter was a marine and committed Republican, and is still very much both, but like you he also became disgusted with the dissonance. I can't but believe that in his case the dissonance between what he heard and what he knew must have been deafening, as the details of what he knew were so much more ...er.... detailed.

In a several part video interview he goes into many subjects including why there aren't more like himself.

I can only hope for the day when there are, Ender , you have made a great step here and I offer more than congratulations, and hope that you will find some common thoughts with Ritter. If all were as fierce as he on sticking to reality, I don't think there would be so much of a left right divide, and certainly not as much partisanship.

I have not made a comment on origin of the thread before, so as not to offend, But I do offer the warmest , if belated welcome through the cracks in the wall.

The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.

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