As somebody whose opinions on some things definitely differ from the majority here,
I, too, am a human being, who has not only met, made friends with, and talked with a number of people who've been caught up in given situations in some way oir other (notably Boston's busing crisis during the mid to late 1970's, as well as the years leading up to it), but I have also done a good bit of research and reading on this subject as well, hence enabling me to form opinions on it, even though I grew up in a suburb roughly 20 miles northwest of Boston, moving into the city later, which I'm glad I did.
The same thing holds true, to a certain extent, with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, even though I've never met or talked to anyone who's been caught up in this conflict in any way. Yet, doing my own research/reading on the subject has enabled me to come up with and form my own opinions on this matter also. I believe that the time for Israel to withdraw its troops from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, evacuate the Israeli jewish settlers from those territories, and to either dismantle the settler's housing or hand it over to the Palestinians, is long overdue and must be started in earnest....now.
Withdrawing from the Occupied Territories and allowing the Palestinians to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state alongside Israel would relieve Israel, its people, and its military of the onus of occupation. Israel would also regain much of the higher moral ground as well as the sympathy and support of the international community. Withdrawing from the Occupied Territories would also preserve Israel's jewish majority and character, and help it to become the Jewish Democratic Israel that it claims to be and is capable, imo, of becoming.
I also believe, however, that both Israel and the Arab world, including the Palestinian leadership, could/should also do its part by coming out and openly acknowledging their accountability in the decade-long conflict. This seemingly small step, imo, would be a big, important step forward in the right direction, without which peace cannot happen.
I also believe that there has to be a happy medium with regards to cops. While it's true that there are rogue cops who flagrantly abuse their power and should be brought to justice, it's also true that cops are needed around. As I pointed out on another thread, I believe that, very often, poor people, whoever they may be, have often received worse treatment from the cops. While it's true that cops see the uglier side of human life every day, hence having whatever prejudices they may harbor reinforced, part of it is due to the fact that the cop culture, in itself, creates the possibilities for this kind of abuse of power on the part of many cops, and partly because, unfortunately ( sorry to say this, folks), there are many more miscreants in the poorer neighborhoods, regardless of ethnicity/color.
All this, however, does not excuse the indiscriminate shootings, beatings, and raidings of wrong apartments, etc., that frequently take place in communities of color, making people justifiably distrustful of the cops. Yet, it's also true that poorer whites have not been exempt from rough treatment at the hands of cops either, which was what I was trying to explain earlier; while it definitely happens less often to poorer whites, it happens, nonetheless.
Regarding gun control--I believe that some form of gun control is necessary, and the school shootings, including the latest shootout at Virginia Tech by a clearly deranged person, underscores the necessity for gun control. One has to ask why people who are mentally ill, have a history of substance/alcohol abuse, or a criminal record continue to to get access to firearms, and why guns tend to flow illegally into various areas, resulting in countless deaths by handbuns in a number of neighborhoods, and why the United States has the highest murder rate by handguns in the Western World. Our society and culture has long been dependent upon and revolved around the gun, and, sadly, it's come home to roost. We're now witnessing the net results.
Most murders are crimes of passion, whether premeditated or not, that are committed by and against people that're known to each other. Most murders also occur in the home, during barroom brawls, or on streetcorners. There's no question but that someone who's really hell-bent on murder could beat, bludgeon, stab or strangle their victim to death. Tragically, however, the advent of handguns makes murder much, much easier--and more likely, to boot. The chances of surviving and/or fully recovering from a stabbing, beating, or even an attempted strangulation can be and sometimes are a little bit better, depending on how intense it is, and how deep it goes. A life is either abruptly ended or irrevocably altered, however, by the squeeze of a trigger and the crack of a pistol.
I firmly believe that more has to be done to prevent teenaged pregnancy, which is much more endemic here in the United States than it was some 40-50 years ago, even though it's always been an occurrence in this country. A teen who becomes pregnant not only ends up endangering her physical and mental health, but also impedes her chances for meaningful education and/or employment later on in life, at least in part because they often fail to finish school. They often end up on public assistance because it's their only option.
It's also clear that "abstinence-only" programs don't work. Programs that teach teens responsibility, the availabililty of birth control (emergency-plan B, and otherwise), and prudent sex education in the schools, as well as open adult/parental discussions about sex with teens would also help teens make more prudent decisions about sex and its consequences.
The gradual gutting and eroding of the 34-year-old Roe v. Wade ruling by subtle and not-so-subtle harassment of women who opt for abortions for whatever reason(s), plus the recent waiting period requirement for abortions that was just passed in Florida, have set a dangerous precedent, and will have equally dangerous consequences, not only for teens, but for adults as well, and for society aas a whole.
many conservatives are anti-welfare, but seem willfully ignorant of the fact that the outlawing of abortions of any kind, and the denial of access to birth control to minors, as well as the denial of sex education programs, will invariably make bad situations worse and increase the welfare roles.
A welfare system is necesssary in a democratic society. Many conservatives complain about the "lazy moochers" on welfare, but they're an infinitessimal minority, as opposed to being in the majority of people receiving welfare. Any large institution is bound to have afew people abusing it, but the vast majority of people on welfare are not abusers of welfare, are not lazy, and go on welfare because they're going through some sort of crisis (i. e. divorce, illness, loss of job, etc.), are physically and/or mentally challenged and therefore unable to work, who are elderly, not to mention young, pregnant teens, who're the tip of the iceberg. All of the above-mentioned factors point to why the so-called "welfare-to-work" programs proposed by many conservatives have not worked.
Now....regarding Boston's busing program: Here's yet another aspect of it: In the mid-1970's, when mandated school busing came to and took Boston by storm, much of Boston was still reeling--and seething from the affects of urban renewal policies gone awry, neighborhoods being bulldozed out of existence only to be replaced by not-so-attractive highrises, or being ghettoized by unscrupulous blockbusting tactics, as well as things such as airport and highway expansion that sliced through and/or encroached upon many neighborhoods across the city.
Many of Boston's workingclass whites, particularly those residing in neighborhoods such as Southie, Charlestown and East Boston, and who were as poor as the blacks in Roxbury, North Dorchester and mattapan, were also hurt by and/or had witnessed many of the above-mentioned occurrences, including airport and highway expansion, and became alarmed.
The all-white Boston Public School Committee, under the auspices of politicians such as (the late) Louise Day Hicks and John Kerrigan (who was no relation to ice-skater Nancy Kerrigan, btw), rode on the coattails of white workingclass anger, frustrations and resentments along the lines of race and class, playing to their fears and worst instincts, affectively coaching and bending them into belligerence and resistance. The highly political Boston School Committee back then, which was also steeped in much patronage and no small amount of opportunism, fought desegregation of Boston's public schools tooth and nail, at every turn, whipping up much of Boston's white workingclass population into doing likewise.
Inotherwords, the Boston School Committee back then frequently made bad situations far, far worse.
Years of intransigence and malfeasance on the part of the all-white Boston School Committee back then
ultimately resulted in the implementation of a poorly-designed, poorly-executed, far-reaching and large-scale cross-city busing program, which sent pre-existing racial tensions and hostilities in Boston soaring way, way up over the top, to the point where it was out of control.
All of the above having been said, I believe that all of the above-mentioned factors, along with the equally disastrous and maliciously-administered B-BURG program, which had ostensibly been designed to help low-income, first-time black homebuyers to break out of the ghetto and achieve homeownership for the first tiime, provided the recipe for a disaster, which ultimately came to pass.
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I am not sure
if you are really that different in your views from the majority of liberals here. Your concerns and views sound similar to me :)
I kinda agree that banning abortions would increase the number of poor and those on welfare. Family planning and abortion clinics for the bottom fifth of our population should be available and maybe subsidized by donations from liberals. I would put a check off box on the IRS form - $10 donation for abortions for the poor and all the liberals can check that off... Problem solved.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Thanks, Ender.
Regarding the abortion issue: I've always been staunchly pro-choice, because I think that there's something extremely wrong with forcing a woman or girl to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, and hereby to bring an unwanted child into this society and the world. Bringing unwanted children into the world, imo, is a far bigger crime against humanity, and far more selfish and sacrosanct than having an abortion.
Donating money for abortions for the poor--why not have everybody--both liberal and conservative--do likewise?
I've never been comfortable with that way of looking at it
Abortion as birth control just doesn't sit right with me. I can accept early-term abortions because the woman doesn't want the child, but at some point during the pregnancy I really do think that her wishes ought to become secondary to the growing life inside her. Our current law generally places that point around the 24 week mark (can vary by state), and I expect that will be pushed earlier in the coming decade.
The problem with my point of view is that logically it requires us to hold the woman accountable for how she "cares" for the fetus during (late-term) pregnancy. So, to take the obvious example, a woman doing drugs while pregnant ought to be locked up to prevent her harming the fetus. Ditto excessively drinking. And down the slipperly slope we slide -- ditto driving? I don't think this invalidates my point of view, but there's no question but that it's complex and messy to decide how to look after the rights of the fetus, should we decide to go down that road.
The whole unwanted children thing is tragic, of course, but (to repeat one of the few GOP talking points with which I agree) most of those unwanted kids would prefer their life to not being born. And adoption allows the kid a chance to be wanted.
I'm very much in favor of avoiding the problem whenever possible through easy access to birth control, including the morning after pill, and sensible (i.e., not abstinence-only) sex-ed.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
On being consistently pro-life
I pretty much agree with this
:
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Why Brendan, you're a closet conservative!
While I might quibble with some of the details, I think that your position here is well founded and thought out. I actually agree with the "spirit" of what you seem to be saying.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4It took me a while to end up here
Good to see someone from the "other side" of the political spectrum has independently come to similar conclusions (and granted there is room to quibble in the details). I'd characterize my position as pro-choice with reasonable restrictions, but I don't think either the strongly pro-choice or pro-life side would embrace it. Abortion is a tough issue to compromise on.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
pro-choice
I don't think anyone on the pro-choice side disagrees with that statement.
One of the few times I agreed 100% with Clinton was his formulation of "safe, legal, and rare" for abortion. Abortion should be the last resort, and I think it is a tragedy that it is so widely used these days when the preventative methods are so much better (in terms of cost and risk).
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
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The whole point of "donating" is the voluntary nature of that action. You show the usual way of liberal thinking - forcing everyone to donate??? We already have that - it's called taxes. It defeats the purpose of what I said.
If you want public funding of abortions then let people who would support that do so. There is absolutely no reason to force people who find abortion repugnant to fund it.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Same thing could be
said about war, especially when it is a repugnant, unjustified war.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
not quite
since waging war has been a constitutionally protected function of our government with President being the commander in chief, and Congress having the authority to fund it. Abortion has not risen to such a level where it is a constitutionally protected function of our government to actually provide abortions.
Sorry the two are not equivalent. Obviously the left wants our government to provide abortions left and right and force people to fund it but it is not set in stone and hopefully never will be. We have a right to oppose such a policy.
You have a right to oppose a war, but all you can do is to pressure your reps to agree with you and vote accordingly.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Does this mean that my point of view is NOT accepted here?
Just curious, because nobody, to my knowledge, advocates abortion as a means of birth control. Often enough, there are times when an unwanted pregnancy occurs even when a couple is being responsible, using birth control, etc, or if a woman or girl is sexually assaulted and becomes pregnant as a consequence, or when a pregnancy is a real threat to a woman's overall physical
and/or mental well-being, or a couple's financial situation, or, if the timing's simply not right.
Teen pregnancies, now at an alltime high in this country, are disastrous to teens themselves and society at large. Also, again, my gut instinct kicks in--Forcing anybody to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term is a crime, imo. With rare exceptions, even the tiniest newborn baby can sense whether s/he is wanted. I admit to not having any kids, nor have I ever wanted any, but if people're going to have kids, they should have them when they're financially and/or emotionally /physically ready for them, and therefore able and willing to raise their kid(s) in a loving, supportive and stable environment.
Imo, far, far too many children are being raised in just the opposite kind of environment, and that would dramatically increase if abortion were outlawed.
Birth-control measures aren't 100% foolproof-they can and sometimes will fail, and condoms and and sometimes will break.
It's accepted by me!
The decision is so personal, and very dependent on each individual circumstance.
There are many unforseen situations, that are unpreditable and require often difficult very personal and private choices......... that I don't think need to be broadcast to the world, or broadbrushed as being either pro-life, or pro-choice.
That is not really how the question should even be framed, imho.
I am all for the safe, legal and rare option, and offering support to those who find themselves in difficult times, as the Carter administration did with the WIC program etc.
I'm only half stupid
It means
that this is a very delicate and controversial topic and I've already got my hands full right now ;}
There are many sides to the issue and I doubt that America will resolve the underlying moral dilemmas to everyone's satisfaction anytime soon.
I would guess
that a majority of posters here would agree with your position (or at least most of it), perhaps including some conservatives. It's not my position, but if we all agreed this whole blogging thing would be pretty dull.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
The unwanted child has many implications far beyond childhood.
Without a mind, nothing is "human".
In my mind most of the abortion answer is easy. If there is no place for a mind, the mind cannot exist. Under those circumstances there is only one secular answer. The embryo/ early fetus is meat, protoplasm, future human possibility. anything, but not yet human, and can be treated as such.
Not unique genetics, not heart beat , not rough appearance, not even muscle movement qualify, all can and do exist, even if no brain ever develops (as happens increasingly often) It is as the mind moves in that the decision is heartbreaking no matter the side, but it is still a matter for the one involved most.
Some people have religious beliefs that establish other points, and they are fully entitled to apply those beliefs to themselves, but they are not entitled to impose those beliefs on others.
The best evidence shows that the mind moves in very slowly, emotions first, actual thinking well after birth. Suddenly it is there, when the deepest foundations are being laid, when the child is most vulnerable, that the Gang Of Pirates abandons them.
Not just in the lost political interest, or failure to fund early childhood development. No, the childrearing is also political, the parents must abandon the child, and not run in to its every cry, and steel themselves from the heartbreak they feel instinctively. If the child does not follow their wishes they are to punish till the hurt is felt. They are told that this is the proper way to love, and that they will be proud of the maimed result.
Actual research paints a different picture, that early childhood paints personal attitudes, and personal attitudes cause political attitudes, and thus do monsters come full circle, working hard to create more of their own
I have posted a lot more on this at my diary and Blog.
The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.
Point taken, Freedem:
The above-mentioned quote from your post says it all.....in a nutshell, freedem.
The fetus, while developing in utero, in the womb, is merely a blueprint and a potential for human life, but is not a person per se. The people who're hysterically defending the unborn are willfully ignorant of that.