Monday Open Thread
Chrysler is sold. (link ) A breaking news story out of Pakistan says a Pakistani officer shot 2 American soldiers at a meeting. No news yet on the missing GIs in Iraq. This is an open thread.
Submitted by Mike Pridmore on Mon, 2007-05-14 07:58
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Chrysler is a pretty poor investment
it looks like... Daimler-Benz lost a lot of money on them.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Health Care Costs
are a big part of that. We are going to have to address this if American workers, and companies based in the US, are going to have any chance of being competitive.
That's a good point,
but how do we compete with countries who can force near-slave labor (not so much in this case, but as a general economic policy)?
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
We have to build awareness
of the issues first to get public opinion behind meaningful changes. In this case, moving to a single payer system would help be more competitive with other companies. And we also need to insist on actually following the market instead of building yet more unwanted gas guzzlers.
In other cases, we need to push for workers rights. In the short run some protectionist policies might work (topic for very long discussion that) but in the long term we need to work our @$$es off to build new jobs, especially in response to global warming needs.
The protectionism
is going to have to come from the workers' base or perhaps as a result of a vote, because the corporations are not going to voluntarily cut their cheap labor resources and we know who the government bows down to these days (Free Trade anyone).
The task is bigger than that
and a difficult one.
I think we the people should let the world know that we care about workers around the world. And stand up for human working conditions and living wages everywhere. That would be an exceptionalist foreign policy.
It is the economy, stupid.
Yes, there needs
to be a workers forum at the G8 meetings to institutionalize world labor and environmental standards so we can at least have a fair ground from which to work from. I would even bargain with lowering our minimum wage (a little) if it would result in meaningful legislation elsewhere around the world.
It would protect developing nations from becoming slave laborers, and it would make sure nobody gets to cheat by overpolluting.
My friend
Eric Massa addressed a lot of that here
.
One of these days
Toyota will be selling off General Motors, saying it loses too much money.
qui tacet consentire
who in their right mind
would buy that junk? :)
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
I suppose one possibility...
...is that they keep it so that they have a native holding to use to access the US market in case protectionist trade laws come back into vogue.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Looks like
focusing on gas guzzlers in the world of high oil prices was a bad idea. Who could have expected that? Was Billy Kristol one of their consultants?
Sic semper tyrannis
the quality in general
is just not on par with the Japanese...
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
You're blaming
the American worker? The same American worker who puts together Japanese cars?
Sic semper tyrannis
no
I am blaming the American companies. Personally it does not matter to me if an American company produced it or an American worker made it. If the quality of the product does not measure up, I will go with the superior product.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Pentagon blocks access
to YouTube and MySpace and other sites, supposedly to save bandwidth.
Yeah, right.
DKos diary here.
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Must be bad for morale
To see representations of what you're getting shot at for.
I would have thought that YouTube and MySpace functioned as an online version of letters from home.
"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran
National Security
interests I presume.
I say our National Security is at risk if we don't implement Universal Health Care and start taking care of our own citizens.
Here is an unique perspective from a journalist that was there for four and a half years and someone whose name you should watch for. He's a great journalist.
His name is Borzou Daragahi.
http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/1199#comment-50381
His assessment of Iraq....... very very very very much of a disaster.
The same people that managed to turn Iraq into a massive quagmire are applying their management skills to this country. Scary thought.
It is the economy, stupid.
Excellent link!
He writes superbly.
Oh what we have wrought.
"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran
The Iraqi are humiliated
and America embarassed itself under this leadership...... but no one is willing to admit it.
Rumor has it that the officers in uniform, presently serving will be coming out soon to protest the tragic mismanagement of Iraq, and recommend leaving.
If folks ever stuck their nose outside this country for a second, they would be shocked to realize that America is not a shiny example to the world.
What could be worse than the imperial conquerers, going to war to colonize a country, and they can't even manage the conquering well, leaving the country in a shambles. Plus, The refugee crises in Iraq is horrendous. Truly horrendous.
It is the economy, stupid.
Want to laugh?
Go over to Wonkette, and see them make fun of this
. I really like that:
"It’s like the guys at the Whitehouse Office of Just Making Sh** Up don’t even care anymore."
Second Life a terrorist haven?
Another unusual internet news story. The popular Second Life site might be used to transfer money
around the world, escaping normal financial controls and monitoring.
Can you really buy bombs with Linden dollars? It seems to me that the avatars there usually have other things on their minds, but I could be wrong. . . .
"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran
interesting story
and not at all unlikely. I don't go on Second Life often, but I can see how money can be easily transferred without too much impediment. Large sums however could be at the very least monitored.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Dangit, Purpleface,
you're helping spread sensitive classified information about our online monitoring program - now the terrorists know that we're watching their gaming habits. Thanks a lot!
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
Oh no
You have it backwards -- I'm helping the feds figure out what they should be doing.
Then again, I could be a plant, monitoring all of you. . . .
"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran
Apparently Rove was up to ears in the US Attorney firings.
Today's SF Chronicle has an article from the WaPo titled Rove Push on Vote Fraud Key to Firings
. It says:
"Nearly half the U.S. attorneys slated for removal by the administration last year were targets of Republican complaints that they were lax on voter fraud, including efforts by presidential adviser Karl Rove to encourage more prosecutions of election law violations, according to new documents and interviews....New information also emerged showing the extent to which the White House encouraged investigations of election fraud within weeks of November balloting. Rove, in particular, was preoccupied with pressing Gonzales and his aides about alleged voting problems in a handful of battleground states, according to testimony and documents."
And it highlights why this is something we progressives talk about this:
"There is reason for worry and suspicion at this point as to whether voting fraud played an inappropriate role in personnel decisions by the department"
Yup. The Administration was caught trying to game they system. Now many on the right just want to sweep this under the rug and act like it doesn't mean anything. Lots of luck with that wishful thinking.
Talking Points Memo has some good stuff to add as well
.
Pakistan....this is going to bite us in the ### so bad....
From the AP (via SF Chron) Region Strikes Over Pakistan Violence
. Ostensibly this is an article about the citizens of Pakistan rebelling against our supported Dictator, President Gen. Pervez Musharraf's ouster of the chief justice. He fired an independent SC Cheif Justice because the guy wouldn't toe the dictators line and wanted a democratic Pakistan restored.
What worries me more is this part:
"In Karachi, where a weekend of violence linked to the dismissal of Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry left 41 people dead and more than 150 injured, security forces now have authority to shoot rioters on sight. The unrest took an ominous ethnic turn on Sunday with clashes between Urdu-speaking Mohajirs linked to a pro-government party and Pashtuns, a rivalry that has caused bloodshed here in the past."
As I've seen in other blogs today, the question arises....What are we going to do if our thug goes down? What are we going to do if someone even less inclined to listen to the bush43 administration takes over? Remember, Pakistan already has nukes.
On the other hand
it might ease tensions with Tehran, since we've been sending in small border strikes through Pakistan.
but, point taken.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
It gets worse
Link
qui tacet consentire
I don't think it's really fair...
...to dismiss Musharraf as a thug, and he is not ours, as in "we installed him." He has cooperated at times with our operation in Afghanistan, and to that extent he has been an ally. Let's not apply American standards of emocracy to developing counties, when it has never really been shown that American-style democracy even works except in relatively prosperous countries. Not all dictators are wrong for their circumstance. Musharraf has been a decent leader for a country that is certainly not easy to govern, but he has certainly been hurt by our war in Iraq. It is hard to say that he is a worse leader than democratically elected Benazir Bhutto
, given the difficult position he is in politically partly due to forces beyond his control.
skymutt: wise and powerful... enlightened...
well....yea and no.
He's not a thug. He's a strongman dictator.
He's not ours, but we allowed him to take over from the democratically elected government.
Could we have stopped him from taking over? Why would we? The biggest problem we have with his government is that a) his secret service is in kahoots with the Talibahn & Osama, b) the citizens of Pakistan don't much like him. If B mattered to our government....we'd hear about it. If A mattered to our government, well, he wouldn't be in power. I may be a cynical guy but I see that there are bigger forces and priorities at work here. Our government is willing to tolerate a free Osama for reasons we don't know. Probably because he's being closely monitored and they want the intel.
But....sometimes I'd prefer a democratically elected corrupt official to a dictator. But that's just me.
Where is the our Pride
in our country? American made no more.
What is left? Our ideals.
And what do we hear from conservatives....... that everything that involves ideals is bad, human rights, workers rights, equal rights, sharing..... all bad.
And for icing on the cake all they can talk about is how bad government is.
Well they got their wish.
It is the economy, stupid.
pride?
When it comes to defending our country and standing up for our principles internationally in foreign policy, you start screaming about how US should not be exceptionalist and care about other people's views.
Then you turn around and say that we should be proud of made in America by our workers? Why?
I hope our industry can compete on the quality otherwise we have to waste our hard earned money on some empty and meaningless pride.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
I don't see how those contradict.
Is the reverse true, that pride in our products means we need an isolationist foreign policy?
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
pride in our products
should be as substantive as the pride in America in general. Pride in our products should be because they are better, and not just because they are made in America. Obviously in many cases the products are not better, in which case there is no reason to have pride in them other than some stupid protectionism inspired emotional nonsense.
No, one does not follow the other.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
You zeroed in on American made
as things.
I am speaking of ideals.
What are we to export as our ideals. Complete selfishness? If its for me it's good, if it's for society at large its bad!
It is the economy, stupid.
A Chinese company this weekend
sponsored a car in the NASCAR race at Darlington, S.C., which is near their plant.
Link
qui tacet consentire
Rave on
The realities are what they are.
America's foreign policy under this leadership is not exceptionalist...... it is embarassing bordering on humiliating.
It is the economy, stupid.
Time to admit it
and move on.
You can't solve a problem unless you admit you have it.
Your idea of US exceptionalism and mine contrast quite a bit.
With the mightiest military on earth we can't bring order to Iraq? And the tensions are escalting and broadening.
With the mightiest military on earth we can't we humble radical terrorists and bring them to their knees? Why?
We need to take a look at what we stand for and make it something that is desirable.
Conquest and chaos aren't all that attractive. Nor are greed and gluttony.
It is the economy, stupid.
Site seems slow again
It's totally impacting my rapid-fire posting capabilities...
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
PBS's "Frontline: Spying on the Home Front"
Tomorrow night, PBS is running a documentary which examines the numerous ways in which the government's domestic surveillance powers have been vastly expanded since 9/11. Most of that expansion has taken place in secret, with virtually no oversight of any kind, and has remained almost completely shielded from any public debate.
That's the first paragraph of Glenn Greenwalds post about this program. Just as compelling is this one:
"The real value in the program is to serve as a reminder for just how little we know about what our government is doing in spying on our domestic activities and communications and the data it is collecting....Every time -- literally, each and every time -- administration officials such as Alberto Gonzales answered questions about the scope and breadth of the warrantless NSA surveillance program (most prominently when Gonzales appeared before the Judiciary Committee once the NSA program was revealed), they very carefully qualified their answers by emphasizing that the information they were providing was confined to "the specific NSA program" which the President acknowledged in light of the New York Times story. Thus, when they were asked whether they were eavesdropping on purely domestic communications, or engaging in massive data mining and/or driftnets, or monitoring email communications or mail, administration officials would deny that such activities were part of the specific NSA warrantless eavesdropping program the President confirmed. They would not, however, deny in general that the administration is engaging in such activities, claiming that national security concerns prevented them from disclosing any information other than information about the specific "program which the President confirmed"
Ruh-roh!
George Tenet to testify before congress.
The topic?
Intelligence failures.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003210.php
Given that Tenet just came out with a book widely seen as hitting back against Cheney for pinning the false WMD claims on him this promises some fireworks.
And if Tenet blames Bush what can Bush do? Claim the man he awarded a Medal of Freedom is a know nothing hack?
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
You are so lucky I haven't bothered with the code
to post pictures. This place would be wallpapered.
As they say- less is more. nt.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Newt says '08 might be his year.
ABC News (via HuffPo) says Gingrich Says There Is a 'Great Possibility' He Will Run for President
.
In his polite, demure and worldly ways he said he wasn't happy with the current contenders, comparing them to contestants on "American Idol."
"We're in this virtually irrational process," he said. "It's exactly wrong as a way of choosing a national leader."
I'll agree with Newt on that level. Right now it's worse than a Jr High popularity contest. I'd really prefer the English Model where you get 90 days, start to finish & not 2 or 4 years of puff pieces and imaginary "news".
On my level though, god I hope he runs. I will so look forward to dragging out each and every one of his adultery pecidillos that he'll think tarring & feathering will be much more to his liking.
Nuclear weapon detection technologies
Have I mentioned how much I love the FAS (Federation of American Scientists)?
Cause I do. A lot.
Just last week I was thinking about the potential for AQ sneaking a weapon into the US and wondering about detection systems for picking up the low level radiation and neutron emissions fo such a weapon.
And now the FAS has made avaialable the ACNT archives (Arms Control and Noproliferation Technologies). The publication is no longer in print but they have all the back issues in soft copy form here:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/acnt/index.html
Here's the 1993 issue specifically talking about detection technologies:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/acnt/1993cd.pdf
(keep in mind this is 14 years old by now which means these technologies have had plenty of time to advance)
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Culture of Corruption
TPM has an excerpt of Frank Rich Article on GOP Culture of Corruption
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
If conservatives want to improve GOP and their culture of corruption, I think nominating Guiliani is not the way to go which is bolstered with this article.
Guiliani also recommended Keric who was indicted for accepting bribes and who is his business partner. That speaks on how he will view corruption.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/12/AR200705...
And Mitt Romney is a phoney--who changes his stances depending on who the voters are.
McCain was wrong in attaching himself with George Bush--but I think he is an ethical man.
How come Huckabee is not gaining more favor--being a governor and a evangelist.
Lately, I've been sparring acrimoniously with people over at MLW
about the pitbull issue. As you all know, I've taken what's a very unpopular stand over there on that issue--they don't seem to want to accept my driving home the point, that, although any dog's capable of being aggressive and destructive, that pitbulls do pose a special danger because their bites penetrate into the musculature of their victim, and for the fact that they can't really be relied upon not to fight, because that's what they were bred to do. Bred for bloodsports, inotherwords.
That's the way of the world. Not about to back down on my opnion on that issue, especially now. Heh.
Odd timing for them to defend pitbulls, since
this story
was just in the news:
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Some interesting goings on
at RedState. Erick, whom I believe is the RedState CEO, is raising quite a ruckus about the ethics of a Republican congressman. He's drawn a line in the sand, so to speak. (Well, it is over a blow job from a heroin-addicted prostitute, after all. It might have been different if it was a, um, Lady of Quality, as one regular RedState denizen commented.)
He's also taken quite a huff that Politico got the nod, and not RedState.
Read the comments too. I don't know whether to categorize this as "RedState eats its own," "RedState mimics Daily Kos re Leiberman", or "Man it's a slow news day so here's some fireworks." Tag is GOPwar.
http://ww.redstate.com/stories/archived/john_boehners_stooges_think_cons...


http://www.redstate.com/stories/gopwar/breaking_leadership_gets_its_back_up
http://ww.redstate.com/stories/gopwar/beohner_geographic_balance_more_im...
"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran
lol, this is priceless
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson