If a scandal erupts in the woods, and there's no one around to hear it...

By now I'm sure everyone is familiar with the basic melodrama that unfolded in former Deputy Attorney General James Comey's testimony on Tuesday, regarding then-counsel Alberto Gonzales trying to bully a signature out of a hospitalized John Ashcroft in a late-night surprise visit. If not, you really need to watch the whole thing: it's like the climax of a political thriller, including a mad dash to arrive at the scene, an armed FBI detail, and possibly the lamest cover-up I've ever heard (they were just visiting in the middle of the night to wish the AG a speedy recovery! and those weren't documents in their hands - they were flowers, duh.)

Likely as not you've read it (because we have a high level of wonkery here), but most of America has not. For the moment, the media are testing the waters with these fun spy-vs-spy details for two reasons: they're busy with dueling Falwell obits, and they make better print than the giant can of legal-issue worms that have just burst open. Which is a pity, because the devil - the really grotesque, jaw-dropping devil - is in the details; so it's fortunate that we have a few legal-interest bloggers to devote the time necessary to putting this all together.

And boy, is it ugly.

- Apparently the Department of Justice under Ashcroft - hardly a liberal Democrat - determined that the NSA program was illegal, but Bush ordered it anyway. As Greenwald puts it :

Amazingly, the President's own political appointees -- the two top Justice Department officials, including one (Ashcroft) who was known for his "aggressive" use of law enforcement powers in the name of fighting terrorism and at the expense of civil liberties -- were so convinced of its illegality that they refused to certify it and were preparing, along with numerous other top DOJ officials, to resign en masse once they learned that the program would continue notwithstanding the President's knowledge that it was illegal.

- It gets worse, although this next part involves a few missing variables. It was the failure to obtain Ashcroft's signature that may have led to the inclusion of the AUMF in Iraq as part of the Administration's legal justification for the NSA program, since until that time AUMF had never been mentioned in that light (the President argued under Article II alone). Here's Greenwald again, speculating:

But if that's the case -- if it was only in 2004 that a requirement was created that the eavesdropping be tied closely to terrorists encompassed by the AUMF -- then that would mean that prior to that time, there was no nexus between the eavesdropping and those terrorist groups. It would mean that prior to this 2004 DOJ rebellion, the scope of the NSA eavesdropping -- the list of those who were subject to warrantless eavesdropping -- was far broader than the Islamic terrorist groups against whom the President was authorized by the AUMF to use military force.

(Read the whole piece - it's pretty intense)

Even if we drop that second point, Comey's testimony still gives us a lot to be concerned about. The Washington Post editorial points out the obvious when it notes why Gonzales' position as Attorney General is now no longer an issue of incompetence and nepotism, but outright disregard and disdain for the role of the Department of Justice:

Justice's conclusions are supposed to be the final word in the executive branch about what is lawful or not, and the administration has emphasized since the warrantless wiretapping story broke that it was being done under the department's supervision.

Now, it emerges, they were willing to override Justice if need be. That Mr. Gonzales is now in charge of the department he tried to steamroll may be most disturbing of all.

Basically the man assigned to strongarm the Attorney General is now the Attorney General, so that pesky issue of independent legal counsel flies out the window. Two more points to consider, if you're not outraged enough:

- All of this happened before Gonzales was confirmed as the new Attorney General. So why didn't Comey testify then? Because Gonzales himself blocked the testimony , arguing that Comey didn't have anything of value to contribute.

- Even more damning, the 2006 investigation that should have dealt with this was personally squashed by the President .

I just don't know what to say to this anymore. I understand there are those on the right who will still brush this off, saying that the defense of America is worth any amount of legal maneuvering. But doesn't this run directly contrary to the whole founding philosophy of our government? Weren't the founders savvy enough to recognize that NO amount of security is worth the consolidation of power in any one branch of government? When the President ignores Congress, effectively dismantles the Department of Justice by appointing someone who fought against it, and thumbs his nose at the suggestion that he's done anything wrong, why should we bother with a Constitution at all?

Though a lot of America isn't on board yet, don't be surprised to hear the word "impeachment" brought out with increasing frequency, and from increasingly moderate sources. Why? (besides the obvious, that is) Because unless Gonzales resigns of his own volition, Bush is not going to let him go. If there's one thing the President is consistent about, it's staying the course, come hell or high water. The longer Bush stands by his man, the more likely he'll fall with him, too. Plus, he already has a certain level of complicity: from ordering the program the DoJ told him was illegal to preventing Congressional investigation of that program.

The wicked irony here that none of this would have come to light had they not overstepped themselves to the point of ludicrousness by going after the USAGs. This is Capone getting busted for tax evasion.

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It's Capone being tried for tax evasion

and his testimony revealing the details of his extensive crime ring. The USAs scandal is important on its own, this isn't a gotcha perjury trap or anything, but certainly these new revelations are more immediately damning.

Outstanding piece. I still don't see impeachment happening, because while the legality of the actions undertaken with the knowledge and probable consent of the president is clearly questionable, it's a technical case of overstepping boundaries that doesn't lend itself to soundbites. The politics still don't work for Dems -- hard-core Republicans will still excuse it as necessary to defeat terrorism, and voters are sick of Bush.

Just think what would have happened had the Dems not gained control of Congress in 2006. Not only would none of this ever have come to light, but the abuses would have become ever more blatant.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I also don't expect impeachment,

least of all from a Congress that can't get basic things passed without watering them down to the point of uselessness. But I do think Bush himself is upping the chances by hanging onto Gonzales (like a captain refusing to surrender his sinking ship) - and all things considered, there's nothing in Bush's history to suggest that he'll ever ask for Gonzales' resignation.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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It is gonna take

a while for this story to build. And it take constant pressure to make it happen.

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Yadda, yadda, yadda

were preparing, along with numerous other top DOJ officials, to resign en masse once they learned that the program would continue notwithstanding the President's knowledge that it was illegal.

I've been hearing for several years now about how shocked and appalled Republicans are at various outrages of the Bush crime family. And yet there have been no en masse resignations.

Because, when it comes right down to it, they always back down.

They talk the talk but they can't walk the walk. All talk, no backbone.

Other than Chuck Hagel, of course.

It reminds me of the famous quote from MLK about how the worst thing was not the vitriol of the racists but the silence of the good people who were shocked, but stood by and did nothing.

qui tacet consentire

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Chuck Hagel

is in the full maverick suckup mode. That doesn't mean he has a backbone - just trying to corner one of the most idiotic constituencies - the ones who fall for the "maverick" status lie.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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The rest of the GOP

that you seem to admire so much, as opposed to Hagel, likes to talk brave at cocktail parties about how incompetent Bush is, but when push comes to shove, they can't seem to get it up -- they ain't got no political Viagra.

They like to stab Bush in the back in private, but they are too gutless to do it in public.

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I don't admire

"the rest of the GOP" but I dislike suckups like Hagel even more. He is clearly doing it all for political gain and a possible independent run. Certainly not out of any principle.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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The principle is support for the military

He served in Viet Nam and knows the score.

Will the SwiftBoaters attack his war record?

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suckup? In order to be a suckup you have to be

pandering to the powerful above you. Chuck is doing the anti that.

btw - what is it that Chuck has said that you don't agree with? (I expect quite a bit, but I'm game to listen).

& thanks pico for the thread. Sometime's I feel like Don Quixote around here.

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Hagel is a Bush 41 protege

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there is plenty of other things you can suck up to

like the Media and the Liberal Establishment. How quick we forget the lessons of McCain and his maverick suckuptitude. He was out on all the talk shows blasting GOP and GWB and talking about bipartisanship all through GWB's first term. Who was he pandering to? He certainly was pandering though and became liberal's favorite Republican.

He moved away from that now of course, as he knows that it does not work with the GOP base, but he certainly went through the motions of being the media darling.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Individualism now means suck up?

No free thinkers allowed?

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there is nothing

freethinking about pandering to the media which is what he was doing.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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You don't know Chuck!

I think a better word for your purposes would be capitulation.

It glorifies the war on terror more descriptively.

capitulating to the media.

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I have heard this bedside tale

before. It is not new news, but we now have Congressional testimony.

I agree on the silence of the enablers. How many are there?

When Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas says the AG should step down...... you might be in trouble.

This is not unlike the Jack Abramoff scandal in my mind. Setting up the K street project for Republicans only in the Justice Dept.

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Comey's testimony

I could not help but contrast Comey's testimony to Gonzales'. While Gonzales cast responsibility elsewhere while sputtering and floundering, Comey gave a full and dispassionate account of what occured. One was professional, the other juvenile. Comey refrained from disclosing specifics that he should not and he refused to, in his words, pile on Gonzales.

I liked Feingold's statements before beginning questioning. I do like a man who has the courage of his convictions and can display graciousness, even if I don't always agree with his point of view.

Some bloggers seem to be speculating that the reason for keeping Gonzales is that he'll sing. With 18 months left in this presidency, there is still lots of time for other interesting new developments too.

The Dems need to be concentrating on maintaining control of the Senate.

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Alberto Gonzales

is the gift that keeps on giving.

Bush is like a man who is already bleeding from 100 cuts but is determined to continue hacking away at his wrists.

qui tacet consentire

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Making Excuses

This guy Scott Johnson of Powerline blog is constantly making excuses for The Bush Justice Department and I think he has helped them out more than once.

He asserts that this is no big deal because...... wait for it..... some democrats like Chuck Schumer, were supporting James Comey.

I ask why are "these guys" always trying to create this metaphorically speaking, Shiite/Suni divide in our country between democrats and Republicans.

The upshot was that Comey and his supporters--I'm guessing career lawyers at DoJ with past connections to Schumer and other Democrats--may well have already been targeting the OVP through Fitzgerald when they next precipitated a crisis by refusing to recertify the NSA program. I doubt that it was any coincidence that Fitzgerald dragged Cheney and Addington into the Plamegate charade.

He is tying this into the NSA, Patrick Fitzgerald, Plamegate, Dick Cheney and David Addington, speculating as to why Comey didn't mention....... wait for it..... Scooter Libby.

I suspect that the arrival of Comey at the feckless Ashcroft's DoJ signalled the beginning of a coup attempt that would use DoJ to try to topple, or seriously cripple, the Administration through action on several fronts: prominently Plamegate and legal aspects of the GWOT.

So he is saying Comey is part of a coup attempt against the Cheney and Addington and an enemy to the war on terror. That's rich!

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He also includes the following

PAUL adds: In fairness to Comey, as I understand it the change in the Justice Department's view on the legality of the NSA intercept program was based on the analysis of its Office of Legal Counsel, and particularly that of Jack Goldsmith, an excellent legal mind with (I'm guessing) nothing against Dick Cheney or Scotter Libby.

Which negates the attempted link. But he did made a good effort at obfuscation and misdirection in the balance of the blog.

He also adds this gem:

My other thought is that if Comey is an ally of Schumer (and I'll grant that they seemed cozy the other day), how on earth did he get the number two job at DOJ in this administration?

Maybe he got the job because he was a competent lawyer?

This is where I try to keep my perspective: Yes they may be installing cronies everywhere, but to take real action (or effect a true "coup") means having actual control over the actions of a lot of assorted people who do not feel beholden to this administration. It's somewhat like the logistics of a military coup -- sure the general may want to, may even make plans to, but will the soldiers he has to rely upon actually follow his orders?

The Democrats regained power and (hopefully) will flush out the trash.

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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hahaha

my favorite part of that post is the opening line of Hinderaker's:

On the face of it, there was little of interest in former Deputy Attorney General Comey's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday.

hahahaha....right.

Hinderaker believes that this was an honest misunderstanding , since Ashcroft had not opposed the program in the past. He doesn't quite explain why this required a middle-of-the-night visit to a hospital room.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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minor correction

Scott Johnson wrote the article.

Of interest is that Scott is good friends with Rachael Paulose and there has been some question as to whether her predeceser was forced to resign. Of note is that they both live in Minnesota.

I swear these guys at powerlineblog help write legal briefs for "the right side" which is why I read their take on things.

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Actually, we're both wrong. :)

The giant blockquote comes from a reader who's left anonymous, though Scott posted it in his entry. The rest I picked up from Hindracker's original post.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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That's funny

You are right. We are both wrong.

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Here's where this issue becomes a "Watergate" issue

to the American public. This link to Digby's post from yesterday is a great amalgum of all the other blogs & links on the controversy . He covers all the bases and most of the leading blogs on the matter. I encourage those of you who haven't read it to read it and read through the links too. The money quote is this:

"It is indisputable that the admnistration has engaged in surveillance of political groups. We know this. It has been verified. We also know that they believe that political dissent gives aid and comfort to the enemy. The president says so himself.

Therefore, it is entirely reasonable to suspect that this administration would use this illegal surveillance program for purposes other than that to which they have admitted, particularly since they consider political dissent to be bordering on treason."

That covers every single one of us. COnservative and liberal alike. If that doesn't scare the sh** out of you, I don't know what would (well, outside of Hillary taking the White House in '08 with 70 Democratic Senators and 300 Democratic Congress persons).

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It is shocking under the circumstances

that Democrats were able to take back the House and the Senate.

I firmly believe the numbers would have been much higher if not for these Nixonian tactics.

This is why imho there was such a strong push to get rid of certain AG's after the 06 election. They knew it was risky (see e-mails) but they did it anyway.

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Well, we can debate the votes

in Florida in '00 & Ohio in '04, but I don't want to sidetrack a good thread.

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