Chipping away at GOP support

Crossposted on dkos .

I saw clammyc's dkos diary So they hate Bush. How do we get their votes? and immediately thought of a few ways Democratic candidates could chip away at parts of the rather fragile Republican coalition.

The fact of the matter is some of us, conservatives/libertarians, like seeing a respectful nod and underscoring of common values between us. And you do not need to compromise or throw away any of your principles. Here is what Democrats could talk about with a slight change of emphasis:

- Sometimes private sector is the best way to go, and other times government is much more effective. Let's have a dialogue on where each applies. We strive for a smaller, less intrusive, more effective government that will still be able to look out for the best interests of all Americans. (emphasis - private sector works and we are not afraid of dealing with it - libertarians/conservatives feel tingly)

- The people who do not have health care insurance end up costing us all a lot more in the emergency rooms than if we actually devised a good plan to cover most or all of them. It could be a collaboration of government and private sector but let's have a conversation on the best way to move forward. A more effective and cost efficient path is possible. (emphasis - actually possibly cutting the tax burden or at least spending government money much more wisely while being compassionate - conservatives will appreciate it)

- We will defend US from any threats foreign and domestic. We will increase the funding for the intelligence agencies, improve security at our borders and ports, and will never take the military option off the table if the threat is imminent. We will keep the terrorists on the defensive all around the globe. We will modernize our military and raise their salaries to improve morale. We will recognize the changing missions' need for new strategies and start redeploying our troops to fit the new global realities. (emphasis - saying all the obvious things including fighting the war on terrorism; while it wouldn't mean that you throw out diplomacy and smart foreign policy, will show you as tough - conservatives will be impressed)

- There is corruption on both sides of the aisle and we need to be much more vigilant against it than we've been so far. The fight against corruption has to be public, non-partisan, and extensive. Those found guilty should pay the consequences and be removed from power. I will create an independent, non-partisan agency to investigate all allegations of voter fraud, bribery, influence peddling, etc. (emphasis - non-partisan investigation. The fact of the matter is most republicans will ignore democratic investigations of the election fraud, GOP administration law-breaking, GOP congressional corruption, etc. I personally had a hard time agreeing that there were any problems simply because Dems were/are in charge. I don't know if it is possible but until the partisan bent is removed, you will not get much from the conservative half of America on the issue, including possible impeachment. Many will dig in their heels and accuse democrats of the worst. Proper non-aggravating rhetoric here will go a long way.)

- I agree with clammyc on the taxes and if you can talk about cutting taxes for the middle class without the anti-wealthy rhetoric of "those who don't need it should not get a tax cut" you will go a long way with most conservatives without selling out your base. Why mention all the class warfare stuff? Extend the middle class tax cuts, overhaul the AMT, reduce the Estate Tax for the lower wealthy (1-2 mil exemption - and mention it proudly!), reduce the taxes for the small business (and talk of it proudly!), etc (emphasis - not touching the class warfare buttons, while not cutting taxes for the rich or whatever it is you guys do, will gain you moderate republicans who hate hate class warfare talk)

- More agreement on the energy/oil dependency. Stress the Oil dependency on the terrorist producing and hostile nations like Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, or even Russia. Talking about investment in alternate fuels works for most republicans as well who know the problems with oil and are just as angry. (emphasis on not having to purchase oil or be dependent on the hostile or anti-American nations - scores big points with conservatives)

- Use our economic muscle to bring better human/individual rights to countries we trade with. A friendly yet firm incentives for economic/social change in Africa, Asia, and South America with a mix of smart trade deals and foreign aid. We will put strings on all of our money but will give out more of it. Lord knows we can afford it and it will extend American good will and improve our reputation. (emphasis - individual rights, social/economic change, strings on our money - libertarians/conservatives hate the thought of handing out money and will like this emphasis)

- Talk about the American Dream. Talk about Reviving the American Dream and making us capable of winning against any foreign competition. Better education will mean more superior American jobs for the homeland and less outsourcing. (emphasis - the American Dream... There aren't many moderates/conservatives who don't love hearing of it. Make sure it's mentioned at the end or it will sound like more BS rhetoric)

I believe clammyc hit on most of these, but the key is framing and rhetoric. There are certain undercurrents that get stirred and reinforced in most libertarians/conservatives when Democrats mention class issues, taxation, diplomacy, and corruption so you want to bring them up right. What liberal ideals have I sold out with the emphasis that I mentioned? Any candidate who uses the above examples will score huge points with the American middle be they Dem or Rep leaning and that is the way towards a landslide.

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I will create the same list for GOP

and post it here as well for discussion.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Ha Ha

My little dairy got 15 recommends, and yours only got 13! phhssttt ;+)

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hehehe

framing is a fairly boring subject, especially when it is not done too well and by a conservative on a liberal website :) Alright, you got me.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Well you got more comments!

I don't find framing boring. But I am sure you have heard enough from me here.

I was waiting for the framing on torture......... :+) Nice dodge.

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hehe

they are a bit annoying with that. Trust me, republicans don't give a damn... :)

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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trust you......

hmmmmm...... give me a year or two.

McCain who has been tortured seems to have the good answer on torture.

There are Republicans who do give a damn and agree with him. I don't think you can say the Republican party is 100% against the Geneva conventions. Especially war veterans.

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try reading the Geneva conventions

and the parts that speak about and define who qualifies for them.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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This is one issue on which we disagree

vehemently.

To discuss torture in a mannter implying neutrality is to sanction it.

The distinction comes from who decides or declares the status on who can be tortured. My faith in "the decider" is weak.

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Competent Leadership

That is what I want--a competent leader -- who just does what is good for the country and for the common good.

Gov Dean, Mark Warner, Bill Clinton, Bill Richardson,

Swarzenagger, Bloomberg, etc.

When Guiliani nominated Kerik to Homeland Security--Kerik being corrupt, and a business partner, and Guiliani being in the Security business and making millions --- made me just lost my trust in him. (Esp after what he did to his wife). Especially if Corruption is a big issue--Guiliani is not the right person for the job.

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My neck is still hurting over John Ashcroft wiplash

Apparently there were many Republicans who fought the Pirates behind the scenes, but to the world the marched in lock step without any disagreement getting out.

As a result the most extreme and corrupt people got power and those less so were hijacked, and could only fight at the margins. As a result , every Republican in any leadership position must bear the onus that they allowed the Constitution, Geneva Conventions, and even the Magna Carta to be shredded.

I am very glad to hear that even very sick, Ashcroft threw up stumbling blocks to those excesses he disapproved of, but in the end that is all they were, a cut in the pace of the juggernaut.

If all those who did not believe in the shredding of the constitution had stood up, the worst damage would have been avoided, to the Republican Party, to the Country, and to the Civilization. Had he spoken up Ashcroft would have been swiftboated as every whistle blower has been, but history would have remembered him as a patriot and not a quisling.

The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.

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I remember seeing Ashcroft...

on the Daily Show and I remember being impressed. He still came across as a bit of a jesusfreak but at least he seemed sincere and genuine in his position and beliefs.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Healthcare

- The people who do not have health care insurance end up costing us all a lot more in the emergency rooms than if we actually devised a good plan to cover most or all of them. It could be a collaboration of government and private sector but let's have a conversation on the best way to move forward. A more effective and cost efficient path is possible. (emphasis - actually possibly cutting the tax burden or at least spending government money much more wisely while being compassionate - conservatives will appreciate it)

Seems like a lot of businesses are getting excited by the idea of taking health insurance out of the realm of the business world. Even if they had to pay a nominal tax to help fund a single payer government program it'd mean they could cut out a lot of bureaucracy and management that costs them money. I think a fair number of financial conservatives would consider a candidate who showed strong interest in that.

Why mention all the class warfare stuff?

Cause we're in the middle of a class war? Seriously, we'll stop talking about it when they stop trying to gobble up the entire pie.

- More agreement on the energy/oil dependency. Stress the Oil dependency on the terrorist producing and hostile nations like Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, or even Russia. Talking about investment in alternate fuels works for most republicans as well who know the problems with oil and are just as angry. (emphasis on not having to purchase oil or be dependent on the hostile or anti-American nations - scores big points with conservatives)

This is more a case of the conservatives finally catching up with us, frankly. We've been pushing alternative energy sources fo decades.

- Use our economic muscle to bring better human/individual rights to countries we trade with. A friendly yet firm incentives for economic/social change in Africa, Asia, and South America with a mix of smart trade deals and foreign aid. We will put strings on all of our money but will give out more of it. Lord knows we can afford it and it will extend American good will and improve our reputation. (emphasis - individual rights, social/economic change, strings on our money - libertarians/conservatives hate the thought of handing out money and will like this emphasis)

Uh, that's been a standard lefty trope going back to the marshall plan at least.

Let me suggest a couple others:

I still think it'd be a good idea to create a balanced budget amendment that prevents the government from running a deficit except in cases of officially declared emergency or war. Seems like fiscal cons have wanted that for some time, too.

Withdraw american military forces from around the world (some key bases can be kept but there's no reason for us to have troops in germany now for instance) and station them at home where they can be more useful. Pass a law in congress allowing military forces to be used to guard borders and inspect incoming materials. It'll cost us less and make us more secure.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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