Friday Open Thread
Muqtada al Sadr is out of hiding. (link ) This probably isn't a positive sign for the US in Iraq. This is an open thread.
Submitted by Mike Pridmore on Fri, 2007-05-25 08:43
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Muqtada al Sadr is out of hiding. (link ) This probably isn't a positive sign for the US in Iraq. This is an open thread.
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Bush still links Iraq=Al Queda--Enough of Lies!
Here is Bush lying to Coast Guard graduates:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070523/us-terrorism
Here is the reality as articulated well by Juan Cole:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/25/92839/8509
When is they lying going to stop?
Umm ...
Didn't you yell at me a while back about using World Net Daily links? Huffington Post and DailyKos ... now there's objective sources.
I am not even going to follow these links.
Once again, show me a DIRECT QUOTE of what the President said, and IN CONTEXT. Then we can talk about lies.
And be specific, there is a distinction between saying Iraq Attacked us on 9/11 and saying that al Qaeda is in Iraq TODAY.
On this latter point, they undeniably are. We have killed or captured many of their top leaders there since the Iraq war began.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4All the links are credible links better than MSM
The Huffington Post link--is a link to the AP article.
Tha dailyKos is link to Juan Coles website. Juan Cole is a professor in a big university and an expert in Middle East Affairs. He is a million times more credible than anybody in the Bush administration.
Dead Terrorists
Also in the Cole post, he makes the obvious statement that should the U.S. leave Iraq, any foreign jihadists there would quickly have their throats slit.
Yes there are "useful idiot" terrorists in Iraq, but their presence is entirely dependent on our presence. Otherwise, their Sunni allies would have no use for them, and the Shi'ites would quickly remove them from the face of the Earth.
Which makes you wonder about the real patriotism of war supporters. Facts on the gruond clearly indicate that our presence is counter-productive, and the best way to acheive our goals in Iraq is to leave now. Therefore, those (including the President) who want us to "stick it out" there for political gain, are truly traitors who put their party ahead of their country.
Socialisme ou Barbarie!
rolling my eyes
Here
and here
are links to google news pages. Take your pick of what you want to read.
No need.
You are merely pointing out exactly what I pointed out to her when she complained at me.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4I don't
think so. But I'm in a good mood so I'm not going to argue with you over that. Saving my outrage for bigger things later. ;)
Proof that leaving Iraq would be better for Iraq
Proof that When US troops left Anbar province the Sunni people themselves fought the alqueda even more effectively. (McClatchy Reports)
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/17213164.htm
Swiftboater Skewers Bush As Dictator in Chief
Jerome Corsi author of the book 'Unfit for Command', feels betrayed by President Bush.
IN case of emergency (vaguely defined) the Executive Branch usurps all power, in order to "protect" the nation as revealed by a new Homeland Security Directive.
When one of the architects of Bush's re-election feels betrayed by the President should we be worried? Yes! Corsi is trying to bring this secret directive the forefront of the American people attention so that at least it can be discussed out in the open.
Why are private enterprises included in this directive and what exactly constitutes a national emergency?
The troubling aspect of this Directive
is that it was all done in secret, much like the Dubai Ports Deal.
Will there be a strange new alliance of Swiftboaters and Liberals working together to take power away from this President.
Delcaring a national emergency around Nov. 2,008? Could it happen? Mr. Corsi thinks it is not an impossible case scenario.
I'm only half stupid
I was curious about this part:
"(22) Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.
(23) Annex A and the classified Continuity Annexes, attached hereto, are hereby incorporated into and made a part of this directive.
(24) Security. This directive and the information contained herein shall be protected from unauthorized disclosure, provided that, except for Annex A, the Annexes attached to this directive are classified and shall be accorded appropriate handling, consistent with applicable Executive Orders.
GEORGE W. BUSH "
So I googled the revoked order
. What's notable is that in that Clinton era document, secret orders or secret directives don't appear anywhere in the text.
So I'm left thinking that this is just a new David Addington ploy to give pretense to and try to portray any future "Constitutional Emergencies" an air of legitimacy.
Frankly, I don't want Corsi as an ally. He's scum. But I'll use the documents he's dug up for my own means.
strange bedfellows
to be sure.
He was on CSpan this morning for an hour. Once you get past what a sickening political hack he was (is?).......... he is not a stupid man. Speaks well and calmly and is quite concerned.
There are other strange coalitions that spring up when common interests merge, notably the alliance between ranchers and environmentalists working together to help protect wolves, because it serves the interests of protecting open space, and open rangeland from real estate developers.
I say the goal is important enough that working together is good. Corsi can appeal to the right, and we already know where the left stands.
Corsi is wondering about the Secretiveness of the Deal!
All Americans should be wondering about it.
And what better (and bizaare) way to unite people than to have a common enemy...... the President.
I'm only half stupid
I just emailed both my Senators asking their
assistence in looking into the new Directive, and asked if they could publicize the document and release the secret clauses.
It'd really help if anyone else here who is also concerned about the magnitude shift this represents, also e-mail their representatives and ask the same thing of them.
Good luck. We need it obviously.
Excellent.
At least it makes a ripple.
The best way of course is to get it in the news!
How many apologists for Bush are left.
Mid-level officers leaving the military in droves.
Rah rah rah support the troops.
I'm only half stupid
I thought you considered the
swift boater(s) to not be credible sources. Why the change of heart (since you now seem to believe the reverse, since you are quoting him)?
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Take it or leave it
a Homeland Security Directive that gives the President total control.
An issue both sides are concerned about.
And your issue me?
The topic is not me.
Don't be petty.
I'm only half stupid
Here's the NY Times link about Sadr:
The powerful Iraqi cleric Moktada al- Sadr surfaced in his home base of Kufa in southern Iraq today, delivering a sermon in a local mosque after what American intelligence officials called a four-month sojourn in Iran. The cleric, addressing a large crowd amid heavy security, called for American forces to leave Iraq and for the Iraqi government to make sure that the Americans leave as soon as possible. He called for and end to fighting between his own Mahdi Army and Iraqi forces and police, asking his followers to conduct peaceful demonstrations instead. He also requested reconciliation between Shiites and Sunnis.
Sounds like he's a warm & fuzzy guy, eh?
fuzzy perhaps....
but not warm and fuzzy. LOL
He also requested reconciliation between Shiites and Sunnis.
If he could pull that off, he'd get the Nobel Peace Prize by acclamation.
qui tacet consentire
Housing market still hurting
Link
and quotes:
My impression is that we should not expect a rebound for at least 6-12 months... dunno if that's reasonable or not.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Echo this from RS
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Check that!
Look at the shadow on this photo I took a few years back.
(Doesn't that look like a profile of George Washington.)
And look, that flag has some pretty blue in it too.
Thanks to all those who have honored us with their service to this country!
I'm only half stupid
It does... neat!
And well said.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Neat!!
Is it even 'cool' to say neat anymore. Carbon dated :+)
I'm only half stupid
Please oh please oh please....
don't try to bring back groovy.
Far out!
qui tacet consentire
Dig it.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Fabulous picture
The talented missL strikes again!
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." --R. Heinlein
Isn't that fun!
I was surprised to see the shadow.
I'm only half stupid
Is the current GOP the party that supports torture and
attacks on civilians? Glenn looks at polling data from 5 primarily muslim nations and the US and finds that:
"Among four key predominantly Muslim countries -- Iran, Pakistan, Egypt and Indonesia -- the percentage which believes that there is never any justification for violent attacks on civilians is between 77-84%. By extremely stark contrast, the percentage of Americans who believe that such attacks are never justified is only 46%."
He also discusses the topic of torture wrt the current Repub party:
"But what is happening to the Republican party -- the transformation of its base from Falwell/Robertson social conservatism obsessed with abortion and gay rights into a macro version of the Little Green Footballs comment section, obsessed instead with, literally excited by, detaining and torturing people, maximizing government domestic surveillance, starting still new wars in the Middle East and being far more brutal with the current ones ("doing what needs to be done") -- is too extreme to ignore."
"The GOP debate in South Carolina two weeks ago was something of a watershed moment in American politics. It really was like watching a debate between Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Reynolds and Michael Savage -- with the LGF commenters as the audience, cheering most boisterously for the most extreme warmongering, pro-torture and pro-lawless-detention sentiments. It is one thing to encounter that level of extremism in the right-wing blogosphere or on talk radio. But to see that embraced so openly and so eagerly by virtually all of the GOP presidential candidates is rather staggering, and self-evidently meaningful."
Deny it if you choose. We've seen it stated here by some of us. Republicans seem to love them some torture. They seem to want to have unilateral detention without charges.
Funny thing too, when I was growing up and going to school, if someone had said those were proper American Values, I would have thought that person was crazy. To suggest that Executive fiat trumps citizens Constitutional & Bill of Rights....well, I wouldn't have believed it. Why do they feel it's OK? They only need reply one thing and they & their like minded bretheren nod their heads approvingly. That one phrase that justifies everything? 9-11.
Terror
It's not just torture, it's terrorism. Those 54% of Americans support terrorism, AKA the targetting of civilians for political gain. It's a sad state of affairs when these supposed backward Muslims voice a desire for peace louder than conservative America does.
At least I know who, out there, is on my side -- and it's not the conservatives, whether American, Taliban, or Al-Qaeda conservatives. They are all the same. Malkin, Rush, and Osama would probably find that their idea of the proper treatment of captives is very similar. They think they are in a battle against evil. They think they are the sole bearers of truth and liberty. The usual BS.
When will they wake up and realize that Muslims and Westerners are the same kinds of people, and that only our political difference are real. I take great heart in knowing that the vast majority of the world is, like me, opposed to torture and the attacking of innocent civilians. Now if we can just get the rest of America to catch up with the world's moral majority.
"That one phrase that justifies everything? 9-11."
For those that screech "9-11 changed everything!", I'd like to hear, specifically, what it changed. Because I don't see that it changed a single thing about the world. We have been and always will be in danger of nuclear-armed criminals, and torture & murder will always be evil.
Socialisme ou Barbarie!
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I can't decide whether this is funny or awful
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Funny or awful?!?
It's awful but funny, imo.