Memorial Day Open Thread
A salute to our soldiers and veterans this Memorial Day. This is an open thread.
Submitted by Mike Pridmore on Mon, 2007-05-28 09:15
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A salute to our soldiers and veterans this Memorial Day. This is an open thread.
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Silence
To honor the dead there will be silence.
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back from a long weekend
and honoring the fallen in all the wars we have fought.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
a moving diary from Cindy Sheehan
"Good Riddance Attention Whore"
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Good riddance and go to hell.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Lovely way to break the silence
Here I will say something like, our soldiers fought so people that you hate can have free speech, and so that you can tell Americans to go to hell.
Same old sh*t different day.
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Good point.
Same old sh*t different day.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Cindy Sheehan is to be respected for having woken America up
about what a disaster our war on Iraq has been from the start. You're within your rights to say what you think, but I think that telling Cindy Sheehan to go to hell is a little far-fetched, imo.
I agree
She did the country a public service by having the courage to speak out against the subtle undercurrent of censorship, directed at anyone who dared to criticize the President or his precious crusade in the middle east.
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Sad Case
She's just a mom who feels her son's death was unjustified and tried to bring attention to that. Of course in doing so, she was swiftboated and denigrated by the right, then used and discarded by the left. People want to attach a martyr-type image to her when they should only see her for what she is--a mother mourning the loss of her son and trying to prevent other mothers from facing the same.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
spare us the crap
she was a leftwing political activist prior to Iraq war and used her son's death (who clearly did not agree with her) to push a ridiculous and vile campaign to trash what our soldiers were doing in Iraq.
How can you see her as just a "mother mourning the loss of her son" when she was clearly a huge attention whore (just as she herself said in that idiotic diary) all the while cavorting with some of the worst anti-American elements. How can you excuse her using and being used by the neo-communists, foreign anti-US despots, and spouting anti-semitic trash?
She was an ugly human being and I am not talking about her looks. Rotten to the core. And now she says that she hates America and is going abroad to fight the "evil US empire"? You gotta be joking - this is just a mother mourning the loss of her son?
F*** her and I am not going to say what I wish her but it's nothing good.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
So anyone
on the left previous to the war is not allowed to have a valid perspective regarding the war. Mighty high bar you are setting there.
Frankly, I do not know much about her or her son. What I do know is that she is against the war and that she got caught up in a movement (as an iconic symbol) which is much bigger than her. In this whirlwind she made some silly/stupid choices and was lambasted by the right as if she represented all the anti-war movement (which I hope you notice she is not).
Like missliberties says, I respect her for standing up in an atmosphere very hostile to her point of view, but I think she maybe got a little taken away with the attention and the symbolism. I do believe she cared for her son, and unless you have given her a lie detector test or have a PhD in psychology, I think it is shallow of you to try to claim you know her feelings and motivations.
Either way, the anti-war movement will carry on just fine without her.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
Look
None of us knows what it's like to have our beloved child killed in a war. Cindy Sheehan has said and done some things that I don't agree with, but I think your characterization of her as an "ugly human being" is just as ridiculous as the left's attempts to turn Bush into some evil Hitler that he is not. From my perspective, Cindy Sheehan is a human being who got a bit caught up in her own notoriety during a period of weakness following what must have been a horrible emotional trauma. If you detest some of what she has said and done, I can understand that, but you should try to have a little understanding yourself.
skymutt: accept no substitutes!
I do think she was demonized
She fits the stereotype of the war protester that right wingers love to hate.
Her cause would have been better served if she would have taken a different approach, instead of pandering to Hugo Chavez. She conviently fits all the right wing stereotypes of the anti-war movement. I applaud what she did. Somebody had to give the President and his minions a metaphorical slap in the face. Against all odds, she changed the whole direction of the conversation about the war...... no easy task, at that point in time.
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lol, nice fantasy
The war was mismanaged and the media was playing that up all the time. It was the fact that the war was not going well that the support dropped and it has been going down steadily since its inception. Natural progression that anyone can see. That nutcase had nothing to do it - in fact she only made sure that less people wanted to be associated with the "anti-war" movement. I think she was even less popular than Bush and that's hard to achieve unless you are a shrill moron hanging out with the worst dregs of humanity.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
I don't particularly care for your characterization
I think your shrill hysterical attitude does not serve the discussion well.
The merits or demerits of the lady's role in our society at that time are not anything I care to discuss with you, since it is my opinion that your are blinded with a special form of hatred for all anti-war advocates.
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I find it hard to hate
honest people and she is not one of those.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Interesting that you choose honesty as your measure
because I would say George Bush has been less than honest with the American people.
If you want to talk about honesty the case for going to war was made wins the award for being the most dishonest and misleading attempt to pull the wool over the American people's eyes.
So weighing the balance of the devil whom you see in Ms. Sheehan, vs the dishonesty of the President., I would say the President with all the power of the government behind him is much more dangerous than one grieving mother who can't cope with the loss of her son.
So if I use the same stand of measure as you are, should I then tell the President of the US to go to .......?
Just in case you might wonder why some people on the left seem so rabid, they take lying to the American people rather seriously.
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Hi everyone,
It looks like the place did not burn down without me. Just got back tonight. It was a fun trip, but it was also tough as I went the whole 9 days or so with no internet.
I have some unpacking and errands to run today (Tuesday), but I will try to join the fun tomorrow.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
Now that the holiday is over
I would like to say that the troops are all following the orders of the Commander in Chief. Their success depends on his leadership. That is all.
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