Who said that?

Rules: No googling! Guess the political party of the speaker (all US Presidents) and, for extra credit, the speaker. I'm interested in whatever broader conclusions you might draw from this little game...

Short excerpts from seven somewhat famous speeches to compare and contrast below the fold.

Update: 1. GWB 2. JFK 3. Nixon 4. FDR 5. Reagan 6. Clinton 7. Eisenhower
So, any changes in your perception of these Presidents? Or in how you break down liberal/conservative foreign policy?

1. So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.

This is not primarily the task of arms, though we will defend ourselves and our friends by force of arms when necessary. Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen, and defended by citizens, and sustained by the rule of law and the protection of minorities. And when the soul of a nation finally speaks, the institutions that arise may reflect customs and traditions very different from our own.

America will not impose our own style of government on the unwilling. Our goal, instead, is to help others find their own voice, attain their own freedom and make their own way.

2. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans, born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of these human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

3. Around the world, in Asia, in Africa, in Latin America, in the Middle East, there are millions of people who live in terrible poverty, even starvation. We must keep as our goal turning away from production for war and expanding production for peace so that people everywhere on this earth can at last look forward in their children's time, if not in our own time, to having the necessities for a decent life.

Here in America, we are fortunate that most of our people have not only the blessings of liberty but also the means to live full and good and, by the world's standards, even abundant lives. We must press on, however, toward a goal of not only more and better jobs but of full opportunity for every American and of what we are striving so hard right now to achieve, prosperity without inflation.

For more than a quarter of a century in public life I have shared in the turbulent history of this era. I have fought for what I believed in. I have tried to the best of my ability to discharge those duties and meet those responsibilities that were entrusted to me.

4. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation. As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense. Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger. With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounding determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

5. We strive for peace and security, heartened by the changes all around us. Since the turn of the century, the number of democracies in the world has grown fourfold. Human freedom is on the march, and nowhere more so than our own hemisphere. Freedom is one of the deepest and noblest aspirations of the human spirit. People, worldwide, hunger for the right of self-determination, for those inalienable rights that make for human dignity and progress.

America must remain freedom's staunchest friend, for freedom is our best ally.

And it is the world's only hope, to conquer poverty and preserve peace. Every blow we inflict against poverty will be a blow against its dark allies of oppression and war. Every victory for human freedom will be a victory for world peace.

6. Our people fought two world wars so that freedom could triumph over tyranny. After World War I, we pulled back from the world, leaving a vacuum that was filled by the forces of hatred. After World War II, we continued to lead the world. We made the commitments that kept the peace, that helped to spread democracy, that created unparalleled prosperity and that brought victory in the Cold War.

Today, because of our dedication, America's ideals -- liberty, democracy and peace -- are more and more the aspirations of people everywhere in the world. It is the power of our ideas, even more than our size, our wealth and our military might, that makes America a uniquely trusted nation.

With the Cold War over, some people now question the need for our continued active leadership in the world. They believe that, much like after World War I, America can now step back from the responsibilities of leadership. They argue that to be secure, we need only to keep our own borders safe, and that the time has come now to leave to others the hard work of leadership beyond our borders. I strongly disagree. As the Cold War gives way to the global village, our leadership is needed more than ever because problems that start beyond our borders can quickly become problems within them. We're all vulnerable to the organized forces of intolerance and destruction, terrorism, ethnic, religious and regional rivalries, the spread of organized crime and weapons of mass destruction and drug trafficking. Just as surely as fascism and communism, these forces also threaten freedom and democracy, peace and prosperity. And they too demand American leadership.

7. The details of such disarmament programs are manifestly critical and complex. Neither the United States nor any other nation can properly claim to possess a perfect, immutable formula. But the formula matters less than the faith-the good faith without which no formula can work justly and effectively.

The fruit of success in all these tasks would present the world with the greatest task, and the greatest opportunity, of all. It is this: the dedication of the energies, the resources, and the imaginations of all peaceful nations to a new kind of war. This would be a declared total war, not upon any human enemy but upon the brute forces of poverty and need.

The peace we seek, founded upon decent trust and cooperative effort among nations, can be fortified, not by weapons of war but by wheat and by cotton, by milk and by wool, by meat and by timber and by rice. These are words that translate into every language on earth. These are needs that challenge this world in arms.

Comments :

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

No. 2 is easy

JFK from his inaugural address.

qui tacet consentire

…………

Yup

If I were more sneaky I probably could have left out the last paragraph, but I wanted it to compare to the others.

You're the first winner!

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

Maybe I'm too young...

Because I clearly don't know any of these.. I only guessed #2 was JFK because it "sounds" like something he would've said.

My guesses:

#4 - FDR?
#6 - Clinton?
#7 - Bush the Elder?

http://wealthweekly.blogspot.com
Wii FC:2805-8311-8040-2678
Brawl: 2277-7051-2186

…………

Nice

#4 and #6 are correct, and #7 was a Republican.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

all guesses

1. Dem... Carter?
3. Dem... Carter (must be, sounds like a weak moron)
5. Reagan?
7. Republican?... Nixon?

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

…………

Heh

$5 is Reagan, and #7 is Republican. You might enjoy googling #1 and #3 now =)

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

haha

I made a mistake on 7. - I actually was taking notes of my thoughts on a piece of paper and wrote Eisenhower, but for some reason typed in Nixon.

as for the first two:

1. lol
3. heh I guess he was a weak moron at the time of the speech

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

………… parent

Alright I'll give you credit

for Ike.

#3 also normalized relations with a hostile communist regime. I think he was a "weak moron" in general =)

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

So, whaddya think?

Interesting that Republican and Democratic Presidents alike share many similar goals with respect to foreign policy over the years. This little game was inspired by Madscientist's mention that the neocons of today sometimes sound like the liberals of the past.

Also worth discussing just how closely the rhetoric matches the actions, of course.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

…………

A Wild Guess

plus cheating from previous answers.

1. Wilson
2. JFK
3. Ike
4. FDR
5. Reagan
6. GWB
7.GHWB

It is the economy, stupid.

…………

hehe

you suck at cheating!

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

………… parent

ROFL

you suck at cheating!

Republican Maverick at Large
-4:Strongly Disagree; 0:Meh; +4:Strongly Agree

………… parent

I was afraid I would forever embarass myself.

I am not good with the numbers, okay.

At least I am out there.

Where are your guesses. Come on. Belly up to the bar.

It is the economy, stupid.

………… parent

It's OK, we're just teasing you.

I threatened to stick Purpleface's pigtails in the inkwell earlier ... sometimes you make me so mad I would pour the whole thing over your head!

Purpleface threatened to kick my shins in return, I shudder to think about what YOU might have in store for me!

:)

Republican Maverick at Large
-4:Strongly Disagree; 0:Meh; +4:Strongly Agree

………… parent

What's your take on the quotes GoRight? Curious...

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

Sigh.

I was hoping to avoid this exercise because I know that the rhetoric at this level will be indistinguishable. But since you have been a reasonable moderator I will play along for the fun it will give you...

1. Republican
2. Democrat, JFK
3. Democrat
4. Republican
5. Republican
6. Democrat, Clinton
7. Democrat, Carter

All guesses.

Republican Maverick at Large
-4:Strongly Disagree; 0:Meh; +4:Strongly Agree

………… parent

Mostly good guesses

3 and 4 are flipped and 7 is Ike, who certainly sounded like Carter at times.

I'll update the post tonight.

The "point" is more aimed at liberals than conservatives, actually, so relax =) I think we're sometimes too quick to dismiss the positive (as in liberal, natch) aspects of Bush's (neocon) foreign policy. But sure, it's fun to see conservatives embrace Ds and dismiss Rs too... maybe some food for thought for everyone, certainly it was for me putting it together.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

!!

What are the correct answers. So I can grade myself!

It is the economy, stupid.

………… parent

Coming soon

I wanna give people a chance.

But if you don't want to wait you're permitted to google after guessing =)

So... what do you think?

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

I think it is fantastic

It would be fun to do this off and on, with various famed leaders.

No too "lazy" to google.... :+)

Besides I'm off into the cold cruel world.

It is the economy, stupid.

………… parent

When I first looked at this

quaoar had gotten the one I was sure about. Later I remembered that Eisenhower had talked about the military industrial complex, but by then Ender had already answered that one and most of the others had already been identified too. Good set of quotes you chose.

…………

That leaves 1 & 3

If my cheat sheet is correct.

So, I will guess Reagan for #3 based on your communism comment.

Number 1 = GWB? Or whatshisname, the League of Nations guy?

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

…………

1 is indeed GWB

3 is Nixon.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

Okay so

1. GWB
2.JFK
3. Nixon
4. FDR
5. Reagan
6. Clinton
7. Ike

Correct?

It is the economy, stupid.

…………

Yup

Thanks, the column format is much better.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

They all sound the same....:+)

Reagan was the freedom is on the march guy.

It is the economy, stupid.

…………

I thought they were very similar in some ways too

and these aren't that cherry-picked, either.

Which party (R or D) is isolationist seems to swing back and forth, but the country as a whole apparently prefers Presidents who are willing to actively engage the wider world.

How these Presidents went about implementing their policies is a whole new discussion, of course, but their ideals weren't that far apart.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

………… parent

You could add

the author of the speech, and breif description on how they implemented for comparison.

And of course who got the most right, or the grand prize winner...!

It is the economy, stupid.

………… parent