Monday Open Thread
As I run out the door, here are a few links and thoughts. Carnage continues in Iraq. Former official Jay Garner says Iraq is on the verge of a Civil War. (link ) And General Petraeus is already lowering expectations for progress by September. (link
) General John Battiste will be liveblogging today with the Eric Massa team about Iraq over at dKos around 11:30 eastern.
What's on your mind?
Submitted by Mike Pridmore on Mon, 2007-06-18 07:28
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Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
McCain has principles
How long can he keep them and still run for President.
After reading this article, I just thought......... there it is. This is what is wrong with our political system. This is why the public gets so frustrated and feels like Congress isn't serving their needs.
And John McCain Takes a Big Risk
These industries donate heavily to campaign committee chairmen who allocate funds. Why? They are looking for their next contract and know which committe chairs can help them out with those special favors.
John Q Public gets left out in the cold.
This isn't related to just military spending, it's all big companies. The people are not being served...... and there is no more glaring example than John McCains need for more campaign cash. He has bucked the system, and now needs to raise money.
There is something wrong with this picture. Do we have to hold corporations and not public officials accountable for US policies?
(The release of 'Sicko' will highlight how corporations play the largest role in not serving the people, but only the interests of big industry.)
[edit; sorry this is so long but the article is from the NYT so some people might not be able to read it.]
I'm only half stupid
McCain having principals??! Since when?!
Seriously, if John McCain did have any principals, they vanished like the wind sometime ago.
If you read
the article you can see he has taken some pretty courageous stands in the past Against Corporations and Consolidation......... which has really been the enemy of legislatures representing their constituents.
The article also cites comment, that angered potential supporters ie: defense contracters, when McCain said at a recent campaign stop, "“Defense contractors are more concerned with winning the next contract than performing on the current one."
So that puts him in a quandry. He needs to raise money, but he is pissing of the people that would be giving it to him.
I think that is good! Not super fond of McCain's ultra hawkisih stands but if we could get lobbyists and corporations out of politics........ that would be a huge step, an enormous step even, in fixing our broken system.
So yes McCain does have principles...... but can you run for office these days and keep them considering the huge amount of money if takes to fund a campaign.
I'm only half stupid
Point taken, missliberties. However,
in addition to his ultra-hawkish and superconservative stands on some things, not to mention his Vesuvian temper, he just might turn out to be a liability.
I admire anyone with the
guts it takes to buck the monster in politics known as corporations.
And the irony that Defense Contracters were hoping that he would NEver get committe chair.......!
I don't think he would make a good President, but I appreciate his courage in this area.
I was more offended by his a** k*ss*ng of Mr. Falwell.
I'm only half stupid
good morning all
also running out for now but I see congress is seeking new Nuclear energy - sounds good!
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
The Jay Garner article
says he thinks Iraq is on the verge of a genocidal civil war.
qui tacet consentire
I think that
means Sunni vs Shia, with the Kurds hoping to stay out of the way.
Did Hamas win the battle but lose the war?
Hamas got Gaza and all the economic problems that come with it, while Abbas still controls the more prosperous West Bank and his new PA cabinet will now receive hundreds of millions of dollars in previously frozen aid and taxes. It looks like there is a very real possibility of peace talks to establish an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank.
Things look to get better in the West Bank and much worse in Gaza pretty quickly, and that's partially intentional to marginalize Hamas. The best-case scenario is for Hamas to crack down on the splinter groups and end the rocket attacks and kidnapping attempts and to moderate their hard-line ideology to reflect the geopolitical reality of Gaza's tenuous situation. Hopefully the people of Gaza will not be allowed to suffer unnecessarily.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070618/ts_nm/palestinians_israel_dc
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
It's OK, Brendan.
As jasmine frequently likes to point out Hamas is going to build schools, hospitals, and hand out money to win the hearts and minds of those in Gaza. They'll be just fine.
Maybe we should rename Gaza as "Little Iran" now?
I was reading that the people in Gaza have begun hording food and supplies in preparation for the coming seige.
Hamas, I guess that they are just misunderstood. :(
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4I think it is possible
that Israel will re-invade Gaza to destroy Hamas. Might be a bit bloody.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Why?
Just let them run their obsolete course.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
not if they keep
attacking Israel... Depends on what they do.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Condi supports lifting sanctions against Palestine
I just heard that on the radio.
You forget, if the US doens't fund them, then Hezbolah will. Which would not be good.
(I know you want them all dead, and the blood flowing and Israel to reclaim the land because the Palestinians are evil barbarian blood thirsty killers, but you don't always get what you want)
I'm only half stupid
yeah
lifting sanctions against the Separated West Bank Palestine with Abbas in charge. You missed the part about just forgetting Hamas.
Basically US will pretend like Hamas does not exist as a part of government and recognize Abbas and Fatah as the only legitimate representatives of the Palestinians. I have no problem with that.
So you are wrong.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Okay!
Apology accepted! :+)
She rushes to look for a newsclipping.
I think this is a good thing. It is a good faitih offer for a two state solution.
I'm only half stupid
Correction.
I rescind my Iran comment above. I was confusing Hamas with Hezbollah.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4hey
I am pretty sure Hamas has received a huge amount of money from Iran, just like Hezbollah. I saw the link from Al Jazeera about that on dkos just yesterday.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Oh, well, if you read it on dkos ...
who could possibly argue with that? :)
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4yeah I mean dkos and al jazeera
who could beat that kind of info.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
:b
Democrats, ethics, & why we should fear them as DAs ...
The most recent case in point: Mike Nifong
,
Democratic DA in North Carolina.Article: Duke prosecutor says he will resign because 'community has suffered enough'
So, we have DNA evidence that completely exonerates the defendents so we withold that information from the defense and press ahead with the case?
Democratic DA ethics at work.
Then, after it all comes out, he characterizes the whole thing as his getting "carried away a little bit". Personally, that's what I call a bit of an understatment.
Article: N.C. panel disbars Duke prosecutor
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Wow,
Another case of great inductive logic, GoRight. Take a specific example and extrapolate to generalize about all democratic DAs as if this a common MO. Powerful argumentation and logic skills again!
The guys a moron, and everyone can see that. It has nothing to do with his party affiliation unless you want me to say, hey, look at Tom Delay and Abramoff. Those guys are corrupt; therefore all republicans are corrupt.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
Exactly my point.
Exactly the connection I wanted you to make. Although I suspect that you WON'T walk away having learned the proper lesson here. That is sad.
You are almost there, what do you surmise the rest of the lesson here is?
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4That you use
inductive logic too much?
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
No, that's not it ...
try again ...
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4That you are
being condescending?
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
:) Nope, you're getting colder ...
Come on, Specter, I know you can do it. You're SOOO close. Try just a little harder ...
Hint:
Think about the parallels you just drew between my comment and those made by liberals, and how accurate you felt MY comment was.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Oh great
here we go again. "Those comments made by liberals."
I smell more inductive logic on the horizon. Or maybe it's just a whiff of condescension.
Listen, this game is fun and informative and all, but I have some stuff to take care of around the house. Go ahead and give me my daily lesson and I'll read it later this afternoon. Thanks. :-)
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
:) Sigh. Good try anyway, Specter.
[ Pats Specter on the head ]
Good try. You almost had it there.
:)
[ I'm just teasing you in all good jest. ]
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4I have to admit
you are a pretty funny guy. :-)
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
Did you notice that
you overtook CheneysLoveChild as the fifth most comments? Look under the 'Temp. Disabled' tab if you are interested.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
I actually have been watching the board.
I have had a good couple of months. I have consistently been outpacing missliberties but this is the first time I have made it to the "big board"!.
From the looks of it you and pico better pick up the pace as I am closing in on your as well. :)
Although I expect to hear discussion of Quantity vs. Quality of posts from you any time now. :)
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4hmmm
sounds like I need to start catching back up. It's embarrassing!
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Dude, you've been slippin'
the past month or so. You've barely even been on the smaller boards of late.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4I'll get back into it
busy at work plus other family things meant very little time for this. It's ok, I will shape up.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Ding
Standards of evidence and double standards discussed
.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
CNN quick poll asks:
"Should men and women have the same right to go topless?"
A majority is currently voting "Yes" -- I'm curious about the gender breakdown of the voting.
(This is the sort of hard-hitting coverage you just can't find at other blogs)
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
I just voted yes
Right on! Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Absolutely,
although given the sheer panic that an exposed breast causes in some people, I'm not sure we'd be able to offer gender equality without a lot of indignant prudes suffering heart attacks.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
I think
it is important to qualify that there should be some sort of decency guidelines for the very unattractive among us. Not every female or male for that matter should be baring their breasts for everyone to appreciate.
I'd have our police issue warnings to those flouting basic decency rules.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Maybe we've got it all backwards
I don't see anywhere in the Constitution it says you have a right to go topless. Stop making up rights!
Instead, let the state dispense a limited number of topless permits, to be awarded based on objective criteria designed to maximize happiness in the population as a whole.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
I think
that unattractive bodies flopping in the wind are a direct assault on the premise of "pursuit of happiness". I am nothing particularly great myself, but at the very least I recognize that fact unlike some much much worse specimens, and don't run around half-nude.
This is a great chance for Bush Supreme Court to step up and step in.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Criminy!
There are certain bodies of such unatractiveness, that it almost makes me question the right to bare arms!
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
heh
In order to further those rights, we should perhaps institute certain scales of attractiveness in order to help law enforcement officials make tough constitutional decisions.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
lol
Nice one.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
The Right Takes a Left Hook... French style
American Right Wingers, like Newt Gingrich, have been busy gloating over France's recent election results with the win of conservative Nicholas Sarkozy.
Sarkozy was being touted as a conservative reformer that so excited Newst, he has been writing things headlines like "A French Lesson for Republicans."
Instead the recent elections paint a different picture.
No blank check for Sarkozy from the French voters. Hopefully Newt and his Republicans will discover a more nuanced reading of ..... a French lesson for Republicans.
I'm only half stupid
Unless someone is a true out and out
socialist, authoritarian or fascist, there's no need to take sides in the status quo of French politics.
Be it Sarko or Segolene, the French had dismal choices to choose from and neither will or would make any real impact on the French Society.
I lived in France, loved the people and everything but the economy and politics? yuck.
So......
Newt was wrong to take sides then.
I live in the US. Love the people and everything but the economy and the politics...... yuk!
I'm only half stupid
yes. he was
If newt is falling into the shallow trap of taking sides in a "Left/Right" battle in France, he doesn't understand French politics.
And you think our politics is bad? ha!
They say the grass always looks greener from the other side.
BTW,
I hope that question wasn't to try to "put me on the spot" and speak against Newt. That would be a waste of time and misreading of my general stance. It would imply that I'm inclined to support him or any other Pol. Tsk, tsk. Not the case. I take sides on issues, not pols. I speak in favor of a pol one minute and then bash him the next.
I'm very un-loyal. If that wasn't your intention, disregard.
What I Learned at Swords Crossed
I have in my short time here learned several things:
1) I am a very bad writer whose words are not clear, even when I think they are;
2) That is because I am stupid;
3) When I try to use humour, I am not very funny;
4) Liberals love to destroy someone else's sense of self-esteem.
I believe the latter is a natural result of liberals' overall mission of levelling. Still, I consider it predatory, vicious, and, most of all, illiberal.
Thank you all for the lessons.
I'll slither back to the hills now.
Bah
Should be water off a duck's back to someone as old and experienced as you. Buck up! Walk right through that nonsense and stamp out those negative comments like cockroaches!
Seriously-- I read your comments and have enjoyed your participation. If you count me amongst the liberal offenders, I will admit that I don't usually post with the intent of raising my opponent's self-esteem, but I'm not out to insult or make people feel bad just for the sake of doing so.
skymutt: accept no substitutes!
Well
there's a variety of reasons people are here; some are looking to defend a particular ideology, some are looking for spirited debate regardless of the politics, and some are interested in polite conversation.
Not everyone plays nice all the time, but not everyone is looking to destroy anyone's self esteem either.
If you don't find engaging in a particular fashion or with a particular set of posters to be what you're looking for, you might try searching out other types of discussion or different posters. It's a small site but it's not that small.
I'd be sorry to see you leave.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
hardly knew ya....
don't leave. We need more people like you buck the establishment fallacies....
Dude
I really don't comment all that much on this blog, but you're posts really got me interested in contributing more. And I think I learned quite a bit from our conversations. I personally would like to see you stick around.
Sorry for being a contributor to lessons 1, 3 and apparently 4 (pretty sure I had nothing to do with 2, did I?) but like I said, you did get me fired up enough to express an opinion, and I appreciate that!
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
Why not learn more!
Learning is Fun!
I'm only half stupid
Madscientist :
I sense this message is going out to the wind, but I'll give it a shot anyway. I have no doubt that I'm probably 75% of why you are leaving. I apologize for any insults and such you feel I threw your way. Our misunderstandings and miscommunication seemed over very trivial things, so much so that I would really regret you leaving over them. I never thought you were stupid, and I respect your understanding of philosophy especially your Nietzsche quotes. As I mentioned previously, I think your contributions are an important and insightful voice that adds to our conversations here.
As Brendan said, if you choose to stick around you can avoid certain commenters/posters (me among others) if you do not find their discussions fruitful.
I hope you reconsider your decision. If not, good luck with your future ventures and I hope you find some place that you feel suits what you are looking for in a political discussion blog. :-)
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
Madscientist:
Your input, posts and comments are valued here. Everyone here, including myself, would like you to stay. Here's hoping you'll reconsider.
I'll tell this, Madscientist. As you know, I'm not the most revered poster on any of the blogs that I post on, either online or offline, but I soldier on anyway, because it's my world as much as it is everybody else's. The latter goes for you too, Madscientist.
I'll add my voice to asking you to stay
and though I have not really interacted with you yet, I've read most of the discussions you guys have had and have found the way you approach issues rather interesting.
Part of making this site good is acquiring a good diversity of voices from different backgrounds and viewpoints and you sound like a very qualified and different candidate for that.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Here's hoping you keep coming around.
I have enjoyed seeing you argue the libs into the ground. I didn't chime in more because, well, you were doing a pretty good job on your own.
They are a feisty lot, our libs, every one. We don't always play nice but we're still sort of a family. No body's taking it personally, or at least they shouldn't be.
I DO feel your pain, though, so here's a couple of references from when I was feeling down/frustrated:
http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/1072
http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/1237#comment-52178
So you aren't the only one to get worn down by the constant, and mostly pointless, bickering here. We DO sometimes find a diamond amongst the rubble, though, and that makes it worth it IMHO.
I have found most of your posts to be well written and have said so many times. The libs often fake ignorance of your point because, well, you have a point. :)
They don't like when people point out things that conflict with their world view. This makes them a very sad bunch because there are so many places where their worldview is just plain wrong. Someone has to try and help them see the light, though, and it might as well be you along with the rest of us. :)
Cheers, and stop back in some time.
EDIT:
P.S. And on the humor front ... I have found that you need to explicitly TELL many of the people with blue and purple bars that you are joking. They seem to be humor challenged at times, but in all fairness so am I.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4yeah
to be fair, I am one of the few people not humor challenged here :)
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
:) Yea everything he says is a joke!
Or so the blue stripes tell me.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Your best joke yet!
;-)
Does the right
have a sense of humor. Their idea of humor is laughing at dems. (See Ann Coulter)
Ha Ha. That was funny.
I'm only half stupid
Purple bar??
Who has one of those? ;-)
skymutt: accept no substitutes!
You are only allowed to support
conservative positions while donning that red bar, son. Remember that! :)
You should change your moniker to "The Chameleon".
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Late to the party
But I'll add my two cents anyway.
Please reconsider. Your writing is clear; I understand your posts. Heck, I even understand why they don't understand your posts. We are all beset by assumptions and preconceptions. Bashing through those is part of the painful joys of this site.
Communicating with people who do not share your frame of reference is not easy. But most here are decent people and they do not really intend any of what they say to be taken personally.
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." --R. Heinlein
R. I. P., Robert Wise.
R. I. P., Robert Wise; Robert Wise:
Although you're no longer alive, you clearly lived a long, full and rich life.
I'll always remember you and thank you for having directed and helped create my alltime favorite film, West Side Story.
In America, nothing is impossible.
Mr. Mad I made you something special: Look Here
Come on! Play it again Sam! The treble is fine!
You don't have to fade away.
See your musings have inspired.
I'm only half stupid
I gotta say
the people clamoring for impeachment on dkos are such fools - no wonder the dkos management doesn't take them seriously. All those stupid calls are just that... so stupid.
Just brainless emotionalizing - impeach impeach impeach, fascism, nazis, blah blah, war crimes, impeach, impeach. Far left wing gone nuts.
Completely detached fantasy worlds is what they inhabit. Nothing even close to what they say Bush is guilty of is true, and nothing even close to what they say must happen will ever happen.
Bush sucks, but he is guilty of incompetence and will fade away into obscurity after 2009. Also for all his incompetence he is still fully capable of outplaying Dems at every turn. What does that tell us about Dems? You figure it out.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Stop reading it if it so irrelavent......
Bush sucks but he sucks good. He is in power and he is using it at full tilt boogey.
Did you see all of his signing statements. He is just a complete ignorer and abuser of the law. He doesn't respect the law. He doesn't give a sh*t about the law. He just mouths the words.
It tells me that the Dems need to get mean.
This is what I think is going to happen........ (though I prey I am wrong). Right before Nov. 08 the Republicans will attack Iran. Partly because they want to, and partly because they know it would be a huge power play on their part. The folks in charge behind the scenes want to attack Iran so bad their eyes are bleeding. Then they can bash dems endlessly with the support the troops we are at war, shut up and vote republican. God I hope I am wrong.
I'm only half stupid
You mean they aren't now?
Lord help us all if they turn mean!
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Tsk!
Republicans don't even know what mean looks like.
And the dems could use some lessons on when to call bullsh*t, for what it is.
They make me nuts with their stuttering.
Bush and his rampant abuse of the constitution in a mad grab for power.
I swear they want the US to be set up like China, with authoritarian rule.
We need to get out of Iraq now so we don't go to war with Iran. Period.
Cut a deal. Bribes. Use extortion. Anything. War with Iran..... will make Iraq look like Sunday School.
I'm only half stupid
:) LOL
A point I have made myself on many occasions, but for some reason the Dems never seem to appreciate that particular observation as much as I do.
It is fun to adopt their characterization of Bush as a moron and a chimp in conjunction with this observation because they end up being outsmarted by a stupid monkey using their own words! He he.
Maybe we can teach them to do stupid Dem tricks and book a night on Letterman. :)
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4You know what would be BEST
Is if the dems and the republicans could work together.
As in recognizes the strength and weaknesses of each side.
The rhetoric that comes from you especially is hate dems all the time.
You might realize that they have a valuable contribution to make, and they all aren't stupid like you assume. Your refusal to accept anything from any point of view but your own just for the sake of pure partisan revenge for the Past.
What's the word I am looking for? Blockhead.
Yeah that was funny. Unless you have no sense of humor.
I'm only half stupid
Work together?
Why not? Personally, I love working with someone who calls me a blockhead. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know that my POV is so appreciated. Makes me eager to give my opponents the benefit of the doubt.
You misunderstand them: They won't be the side that tries first. And be honest. Your side doesn't want to either.
It's a circular firing squad.
Reload.
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." --R. Heinlein
Well there is one problem
I didn't call you a blockhead, did I. So let's be clear that I never said that to you ever. And I would wonder why you would generalize a comment made in jest as to be about you.
And it was supposed to be a joke. Remember. Where's your sense of humor. Wasn't that MS's point. He called Al "Gore and pantload, and insulted his ability to defend the nation and we are all supposed to die laughing. But I don't think he was really trying to be funny. Never mind that it contradicted many of his previous statements. So pointing out a contradiction is just ever so mean? Well that makes things easy to discuss, doesn't it.
And 'airhead, leftist liberal cultist socialist is just a real gut buster. (And no you have never said that to me, but I could generalize.)
I think all of us here on the horrid communist left are trying to understand 'them' or else we woulnd't even be here. And frankly I don't think any of us are that far apart really.
They won't be the side that tries first. What do you mean? Why would you say that?
This most bizarre aspect of the situation of left v right is we can't even agree on the facts. As evidenced by GoRights million word march to dispel the myth that Bush has never said four specific words together in a sentence.
And for the record I am dying to understand your pov.
I'm only half stupid
You missed my point entirely
That's what I get for trying satire so early in the morning.
You would do well to knock that chip off your shoulder. I never called you anything like that. Don't let GoRight and MS get to you like that. Be who you are: no apologies
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." --R. Heinlein
I have more to say on this:
Not so sure that taking issue with thinly vieled personal attacks or bringing up seemingly glaring inconsistencies in someone's statements constitutes having a 'chip on your shoulder'.
That is a mischaracterization that I strongly disagree with.
I have much more to say about this, but will do so later....
I'm only half stupid
OK, an explanation
My point: Until and unless you give the other side some respect, they will not give you any either. I know they call you names, and you think you are justified in calling them names back. But is that tit-for-tat attitude conducive to the "working together" you spoke of in your post?
If you don't want to work together, fine. Sometimes politics means not working together.
But if you do want to work together and leverage each other's strengths, then you must first acknowledge and accept your opponents' right to hold a different POV.
No argument in the world will change GoRight. Only GoRight can change GoRight. And he will never feel motivated to change any attitude he holds under a constant barrage of your criticism. In fact, he will only grow more defensive of his position.
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." --R. Heinlein
Someone who "gets it"!
Another INTJ, though, so not that far from my way of thinking (as opposed to my POV).
I think that the ??T? vs. ??F? is what is at play between missliberties and myself, and perhaps between you and her as well.
I agree with what you have said here. It is a good summary of my attitude and motivations in the way I act.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4What does it tell us about Bush?
It tells me that despite the rhetoric of how we are in the new war-to-end-all-wars, Beware the Muslimofascjihadists, Bush has spent the last 6+ years treating the other party as if THEY were his enemy.
Show me something major and worthwhile he has done other than keep the Democrats from stopping him from screwing up.
Good point
Politics is Bush's game. And he will never even think about playing fair...... ever.
But to him it's just politics....... no big deal.
Anything to win. INcluding using the White House, and the DoJ as the center of operations for the RNC. And how many laws has he ignored with signing statements now........!
I'm only half stupid
honestly
Democrats treat Republicans like they are their enemies as well. It's a two way street. Whatever you feel about this war, the Dems have been screwing around with both the conduct and the various anti-terror measures necessary to safeguard our country.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
They ARE his enemies, for most purposes.
If defending yourself against irrationale and highly partisan attacks is what you mean by "treating the other party as if THEY were his enemy", well then I guess we have to count him guilty.
Edit is mine, for clarity. As far as I am concerned, THIS IS a major accomplishment. I applaud his not kneeling before the grand Democrat baffoons.
The moron chimp is engaged in a battle of wits with the Democrat leadership and he seems to be winning as his opponents appear to be wholly unarmed.
Regardless of how well or poor things are going we are pursuing the course that needs to be pursued. Even the elected Democrats know it which is why they LIED to the American people about putting a stop to the Iraq war. They have the power, they just refuse to use it. They refuse to even make the symbolic jesture of REALLY trying.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
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You seem to throw that word around a lot when it comes to democrats. Too bad your same standards don't apply when it comes to republicans.
As far as the 'lie', Ender's choice of quotes in the Open Thread
discussion today does a good job of dispelling it since democrats only have the power of the purse as their weapon in congress.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/
Agree!
There does seem to be a double standard.
I'm only half stupid