Weekend Open Thread

The Senate passed the new warrantless spying legislation , but it is still stuck in the House. (Edit): The bill has congressional approval .

Is the U.S. helping organize Sunni militias in Iraq?

Plans for the weekend?

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heh

I was particularly pleased with the Dems approving FISA legislation that Bush requested. About damn time. Stop whining and get in line you pansies.

In any case, all the hand wringing about "lost democracy" on dkos is as silly as usual. Good job Dem Senators for ignoring your stupid base.

Oh and the House promised to vote on the Senate legislation as fast as today.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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A big part of the problem is trust.

bush43 was asking for us to trust them.

I for one do not.

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I don't give a crap

who you or other liberals trust - the most important thing is to pass legislation to safeguard America.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Right

and speaking for myself I'd love to hear a comprehensive and detailed description as to *how* this legislation specifically safeguards America in a manner that the current legislation cannot.

Which leaves us back at his point -- you trust that there is a valid reason for this legislation, most of us are now firmly in "show me" mode with this administration.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Sorry, Ender, but I have to strongly disagree with you here.

"I don't give a crap
who you or other liberals trust - the most important thing is to pass legislation to safeguard America."

Sorry, Ender, but I have to strongly disagree with you on this issue.
G. W. Bush's policies have not made the United States any safer, and, in fact, have compromised our national security even furthur in some ways. This being said, Ender, would you like knowing that the government has the liberty and license to spy on your emails, and your telephone calls, and perhaps wiretap your phone or whatever illegally?!? I don't think this bill is a good omen at. all! It does not bode well for the future of our country. Here's hoping that the bill dies in the House. This Administration is the most untrusty of all.

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CNN is saying House Republicans(& the Executive branch)

are having a hissy fit because Nancy Pelosi moved the FISA bill to the back burner . I hope it, in it's current form, dies a nice month long recess death.

Boo hoo repubs....whine a little more, show us what grown-ups you really are.

Sounds like you crowed too soon Ender.

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Nancy Pelosi is playing politics with people's lives.

After reading your CNN link above, it seems that this issue and the need to rush this through is bigger than we had thought.  Take note Specter as this was one of your questions earlier.

FISA allows officials to apply to a secret court for a warrant to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens.

But there's a rush to update the program after a ruling by the secret FISA court earlier this year.

It said the current law also requires a warrant for monitoring foreigners' communications because so many overseas calls and e-mails are sent through U.S. switching centers, U.S. officials said.

If I am reading this right, this is more than just the Domestic to Foreign Warrantless Eavesdropping, this is for ALL foreign communications.  If this is correct, that means that right now we can't conduct even purely foreign intelligence without a warrant.  Assuming that this report is correct.

Well now, that's a whole new kettle of fish.  We are currently blind on all foreign communications and Nancy doesn't seem to think that is a big deal?!?!?  Bah.

Al Qaeda, now aware of our new limitations, could be triggering plots left and right by taking advantage of this blackout but Nancy wants to wait.  Smooth move, Nancy.

Here is a second source which states this more clearly:

Judge's secret ruling curbed spy program :

The judge, whose name could not be learned, concluded early this year that the government had overstepped its authority in attempting to broadly monitor communications between two locations overseas that are passed through routing stations in the United States, said two other government sources familiar with the decision.

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Give me a break

There were some backroom negotiations going on regarding the bill, no doubt.  The bill was delayed a few hours, and Rep. Hoekstra decided to grandstand.  When you compare how fast they got this law passed compared to just about any other thing you can name, this went thru at light speed.  To pretend that al Qaeda was going to take advantage of this delay to use U.S comunication switches to get thru some critical communication for a plot on American soil is pretty far-fetched. 

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The Democrats Caved ...

House Approves Foreign Wiretap Bill

Boo hoo kindness ... whine a litle more, show us what a grown up you are.

Sounds like YOU crowed too soon kindness.

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Sharing news is fine

but try to keep away from the personal attacks please. Thanks.

I did not give Kindness the same warning because he did not say direct names and was following Ender's lead. You specify names.

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Names

Sounds like you crowed too soon Ender.

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Crowing

is different than 'show us what a grown up you are'. One attacks actions, the other 'being'.

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But of course. n/t

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"Caved" = most overused verb in politics

I see the word used all the time by the purity police, and IMO it rarely reflects accurately what's actually going on.  Reps and Senators on both sided vote against personal beliefs for all sorts of reasons, some of them corrupt, some of them stupid-- but I doubt that too many votes are as a result of "caving" to a president of the opposite party with a 20-odd percent approval rating.  I have to believe that most of the Democrats who voted for the bill believed, that, on balance, passing the bill was for the best. 

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Whoo Hoo (Second Life SC)

I'm at the Second Life YearlyKos convention, watching Hillary's session, and have discovered that there have been five voluntary adds to the SL Swords Crossed group.

If any of you are lurking, welcome!

I'll post a couple of pix as soon as they load to photobucket

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Snapshots

Hillary's audio and video is very good

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

The SL Democratic Party Chairman

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

I'm in the lime green dress

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Hey, PF ...

What is your avatar doing with her hands in that top pic?  Has she been sitting too long and has a sore bum, or is YearlyKos and Billary really THAT much of a pain in the a**?  :)

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Cool, looking forward to the pics

What's the general impression of Hillary, do you think?

Edit: nice pics. Not a huge crowd, really, is it? Maybe that partially answers my first question.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Yeah, the crowd

is typing a few snarky remarks. One brave Hillary4President tag showing. But she's doing a good job.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Taking a spin with the camera

I discovered another handful of folks at NetRoots stadium, a different area than the one in the picture.

I attended the Impeachment Ball for a while last night, and the turnout was not great.

Edit: Probably about 40 avatars in total

Edit again: and it's not free. Cost $25 to register to attend.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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When talking about Kossacks, isn't SL ...

actually a bit redundant?  They live in their own universe already so isn't this actually Third Life or something for them?

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Best presidential debate EVAH.

Fantastic. Rowdy, irreverent, high-energy, awesomeness. The candidates looked relaxed, the audience had a great time

[interruption: car accident directly outside the window I'm sitting near. Because Obama is speaking about 100 yds from me, the secret service immediately stormed outside to see what was up. more info if get it]

Yikes. Okay, anyway:

I wouldn't want every debate to be like this, because there's something to be said for longer response times, more carefully considered responses, etc. BUT it's nice to force candidates to give spontaneous answers to questions they don't expect, and it's also nice not to muzzle the audience once in a while and let them voice approval/disapproval with the responses directly, so that the candidates can get a better feel for how they're doing with that constituency. Basically its strengths and weaknesses were the strengths and weaknesses usually ascribed to blogging: the rowdiness, the occasional sloppiness, the good cheer, the nasty comebacks, the direct engagement, and - best of all - more difficult and thoughtful questions. That all the candidates kept their cool is credit to them: some of what they were asked to respond to was a lot tougher than what they're used to getting in a debate format.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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I watched the last bit

of it on the live stream. ( a bit rough in the transmission) I wish I would have caught all of it.

It was pretty cool. The moderater was also funny.

It is the economy, stupid.

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hey, is anyone crying

about the FISA bill - because that is all dkos is talking about and bashing all the Senators.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Angry, of course, but

most of the Democrats - including all of the ones here - voted against it. But it only takes a minority of Democrats aligned with the Republicans to get the majority.

So angry, yeah, but they're in line with the candidates who are here. That helps mute it a bit, especially when discussing strategies to deal with it when the 90 day sunset expires (it's not a permanent change to the FISA system).

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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dude

Bush needed 60 votes to get this through and he got 60 votes. 16 Senate Dems voted for his version. That's pretty bad.

House Republicans are doing televised conference now saying they will not allow this congress to leave until Pelosi gives a vote on the Senate version of the bill.

I think eventually the changes will be permanent as this is too important to surrender to whining pacifists that the Dem base has become.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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WTF?

The Senate passed the new warrantless spying legislation , but it is still stuck in the House.

Who's running the Senate these days, GWB or the Democrats?  GWB says jump and the Senate Democrats ask how high?

I thought that the Democrats considered warrantless spying to be unconstitutional.  Those Bast***s!  Those lying, lying Bast***s.  I assume all of the blue bars here are already calling their Senators and Representatives to complain?

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I am enjoying it on the one hand

and on the other this is too important to surrender to the liberals and I am very proud of the GOP for pushing the Dems to support it.

Pelosi better be bringing it up soon. So far they are voting on the Energy legislation - cspan.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I, of course, agree.

Although, I am not in favor of making this permanent.  I think this type of legislation should always have a sunset clause so congress has to explicitly renew it.  That makes it much easier to get rid of if the political climate or the necessity changes down the road.  Case in point?  Clintons heinous Assault Weapons Ban.  It died because of the sunset.  It is much easier to get your congress critters to sit on their hand than it is to repeal anything.

It is like a pocket repeal instead of a pocket veto.  :)

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Headlines on yahoo right now

• Iraq's power grid on the brink of failure, officials say
• Afghanistan to produce another record poppy harvest

Awesome.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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My weekend so far:

Yesterday and today, we were in the middle of a nasty heatwave--high humidity in addition to the temps here in the Bay State having gone well over 90 degrees.
It's supposed to be drier and cooler tomorrow, so I'll probably go for a bikeride, which I haven't done in awhile, because it's been way too hot and humid for that.

Last night, I went and saw a midnight screening of the late 1970's movie,
The Warriors, and tonight I'll probably to see a late screening of
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. I recently saw the Simpsons movie, which was lots of fun.

My alltime favorite film, West Side Story, will be coming to our area a week from this coming Monday! Woo hoo!! I bought my ticket in advance and I'm going!! Heee.

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Lots of fun movies out now

Also liked the ones you mentioned, and Bourne was pretty exciting too.

Hot and humid weather is no fun. Thank goodness for AG AC!

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Sorry about the lack of updates

to the specific articles on the blogroll. Now that I'm back from vacation I'll fix that. As always, suggestions welcome.

Edit: done, and a lot of excellent articles in there. I obviously don't agree with every piece but I think all of them are genuinely interesting and stimulating.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Bonds hit 755

if you care.

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Just finished

Bobby. Great movie that reminds me why the Democratic party is the party of hope.

What if . . .

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Zogby Poll: Democrat Congress Job Approval 14%

Zogby: Bush Job Approval 34%; Democrat Congress Job Approval 14%

While Bush’s job approval rating has stabilized, opinion of the work Congress is doing continues to plummet. The Zogby poll shows just 14% give Congress positive marks, while 83% give it negative marks – this in the wake of an acrimonious scrimmage over immigration reform that failed to pass muster in the Senate and died, experts have said, until after the 2008 presidential election.

Nancy and Harry continue to drive the Congressional Approval ratings into the toilet.  For the downward trends see:

Congress' Job Performance

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor Not Sure
07-18-07
2
12
44
39
3
12-08-06
1
16
45
35
4
10-26-06
2
21
44
31
2
10-16-06
2
16
46
33
3
09-29-06
3
21
49
26
3
09-15-06
.8
18
50
28
4
09-05-06
1
16
47
34
2
08-16-06
1
19
47
30
3
07-25-06
2
20
47
28
4
06-20-05
2
24
47
24
4

George W. Bush - Job Performance Rating


 
Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Not Sure
07-18-07
7
27
21
45
.4
12-08-06
7
23
26
42
.7
10-26-06
10
26
22
42
.2
10-16-06
11
26
22
41
.5
09-29-06
16
26
19
39
.4
09-15-06
11
28
25
36
.1
09-05-06
11
26
19
44
1
08-16-06
9
25
29
36
.4
07-25-06
12
24
24
40
.3
06-21-06
12
24
25
39
.1

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After the

vote today (I wanted quicker oversight) and the failure to get change in Iraq, I don't approve of this congress either.

I would not read this as America is siding with Bush as much as America is displeased that Congress has not done enough to turn us away from Bush's policies.

BTW, any information on party breakdowns in the approval rate of congress?

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To answer

my own question (last available comparative poll):

Republicans: 21%

Democrats: 28%

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These numbers don't correlate ...

with the over-all rating obtained by Zogby so direct comparisons aren't possible.

Republican Maverick at Large
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Hence

this phrase: last available comparative poll.

If you have newer numbers from a poll comparing the parties for the same date, well then, let's have 'em. If not, my numbers do a good job of comparing parties.

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I'll stand with my statement.

Democrat Congress Job Approval is at 14%.

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Ok

if you wish to live in simplistic denial, that is your choice. :-)

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I'm not denying anything, you are.

You numbers don't change this result or the fact that the Democrats are the ones running things.  Before the Democrats won the last election the Republican run Congress was in the mid 20's.

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Without party

comparisons, for all I know the repubs dropped to 1% and the dems are at 26 or so.

Ok, not probable, but money says the repubs in congress are polling lower than dems.

Regardless, people are not happy with the federal government. 34% is nothing to brag about either. It is clear that people want change and a different direction. Who is going to offer that, the republicans?

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I agree it is nothing to brag about.

But I would still prefer the stabilized 34% over the 14% which seems to be continuing its downward trend.

Without party comparisons, for all I know the repubs dropped to 1% and the dems are at 26 or so.

Or just as likely the reverse could be true, right? 

Let's think that through a bit.  Before the Democrats were elected in November, 2006 the Republican Congress was in the low to mid 20's for a few months.  Your numbers have them at 21%.  So assuming that the Republicans are stable at like 22 or 23% is not unreasonable.

Now in 2006 the Democrats clearly claim that the election was all about Iraq.  Their victory, they claim, is a virtual referendum to halt the war in Iraq.  The other poll on Iraq has the Democrat Controlled Congress at 3% Approval.  Now if the Democrats were right about that 2006 mandate to halt the war it is not unreasonable to assume that on that issue the 3% reflects directly on the Democrats.

If we accept that notion for just a second and see what that means for the overall job approval number we find that the Republicans at like 23% and the Democrats at like 3% is completely consistent with the 14% overall rating, right?  I mean it is just the reverse of your hypothesis above but when we run the numbers they all seem to fall into place.

Thoughts?

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So, you admit

the dems were elected as a rebuke o f Iraq. So, the repudiation of dems is for not blasting republican policy enough rather than an endorsement of it, right?

So, even if the dems are hurting at the polls, by your own logic the repubs must be faring worse as my 'money'-line states.

Thoughts?

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I haven't actually taken a position here.

I am merely arguing from the Democrat's own positions.  I will agree that their dismal 3% approval ratings DO seem to support their contention ... at least as far as the logic applies to their base.

I mean you can't get down to 3% without having been completely abandoned by you base, right?  That's way Bush and the Republican Congressmen and Senators tend to be stable at the 20's.  Their base is still standing by them.  That is the 20% that are die hard Republicans no matter what.

So I guess to answer you question, I agree that your claims are true of the Democratic base.  I don't think it says anything about the Republican base who would disapprove no matter what they did.

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I don't think it

is a question of bases at this point. The moderates and independents are going to dip the scales below the 30% mark.

Again 3% is nothing to be proud of, but that is because people want results in pulling us out of Iraq. As I state below, the dems are going to have to be more aggressive in their approach to satisfy the overall public. If the repubs keep blocking them, they are the ones going to suffer at the polls next election, not the dems. Do you think people going to say, "damn, we are still in Iraq. I hope voting
republican will get us out"? I don't.

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RE: I don't think it

Do you think people going to say, "damn, we are still in Iraq. I hope voting republican will get us out"? I don't.

The question is, how many of those people are there?  How many people in this country do you think are saying "I'm tired of this war in Iraq, we might as well just surrender in disgrace and give up.  To hell with those stupid Iraqi's."

I think that the number of people saying that is pretty much less that 50%, and possibly close to the number of self-declared Democrats.  It is only these people who are clamoring for us to get out, and they are the ones controling the poll numbers of the Democrat Congress for the most part.  I think that they Democrats find themselves between a rock and a hard place.  The left wing kook base can't possibly be appeased and the independents who believed that they even intended to TRY to put a stop to the war are seeing just how "committed" they are, as opposed to how "committed" they should be!

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They're going for a big range of poll numbers

Which = BOLD LEADERSHIP, if I recall your analysis of presidential polling... if they didn't have a really low number at some point, they couldn't maximize their boldness quotient...

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Yes, we all see how well that has been working

out for them.  Even Specter disapproves of them.

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I disapprove too, tonight

For a different reason though...

I watched the "debate" in Congress on the Defense bill after the FISA vote... Rep. Jeff Flake brought up amendments to strike several earmarks, and Murtha and Lewis and Young and the rest of the appropriations mafia didn't even deign to muster a serious defense of these earmarks.  One of the earmarks went to the Doyle Center, an "earmark incubator" founded by Mike Doyle, who just happens to be a current member of Congress!   I'm going red tonight to show solidarity with Rep. Flake, one of my absolute favorite politicians of all time.

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I'll join

(for tonight) in protest, but I can't go red.

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In all of these votes, FISA, John Doe

amendment several weeks ago, the Dems are setting themselves up to be portrayed as weak on homeland security. They keep giving the Republican Presidential candiates more ways to accuse them of same. BTW, skymutt, didn't you usd to be a Democrat--have a blue line--on this site, or am I confused?

name the enemy, win the war

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We spend too much and still don't have what we need

I basically switch around to look at the different pretty colors. I still self-identify as a Democrat, but I don't like what I see in terms of lack of ethics and lack of creativity and imagination.

This fear of being portrayed weak on defense-- if that's what this is-- is preventing any sane discussion about a reckless and bloated defense budget. We don't have a strong defense, we have an expensive defense. And if we back out a bit and look at the total national security picture, and not just our military, we see that we have to borrow money from central banks abroad every single year to foot the bill for our bloated military expenditures. The Chinese have already bankrolled our defense to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. They can dump their vast reserves of dollars on the market at any time and cause a catastrophe in our financial markets. Or, they can use their dollars to snap up critical US assets (they've already made a play at a major oil company, Unocal... we stymied that effort, but it's only a matter of time before they make another play)... or they can use their $1 trillion in foreign currency reserves to buy armaments for their own military. How does borrowing money from China to foot the bill for weapons fit into a sane national security policy, when you have to believe that China would be our most likely adversary in any war that would require the fancy weaponry that the borrowed money is buying?

And like I mention before-- we spend $470 billion for our military ($700 billion if you count the wars ), and when we determine that we need a mere 20,000 extra troops on top of a modest 140,000 or so in Iraq, we don't even have them at hand! And it's not just troops that we have less and less of-- each generation of fighter planes, we get a fraction of the number of planes as the previous generation, because they cost 4 times as much as the previous generation. And of course in the wars we are fighting, where the opponent doesn't have any air force at all, our super-expensive fighters are overkill to say the least-- $100 million targets that can be taken down by a lucky shot by an opponent's small arms fire.

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Um

According to your grid there, it looks like Congress' rpoll numbers have been in the toilet for at least two years.  Nancy and Harry had the misfortune of inheriting leadership in bodies whose reputations had been ruined by years of Republican rule.  And it looks like Nancy and Harry have DOUBLED the number of "excellent" responses from 1 percent to 2 percent ;-)

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Say what you want ...

But the Republican Congress was running in the mid 20's right up until the Democrats won the election in November, 2006 at which point the ratings started their nose dive.

Republican Maverick at Large
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Congress = who's in office

The poll questions don't ask respondents to rate people who haven't take office yet.  Frist and Hastert and the rest of the 109th Congress can take full credit for the stellar numbers in December 2006.

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Nice try ...

But we all know who won the election and when they did.  After that it was all them because the Republicans were lame ducks at that point.

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So the people voted for Democrats

...yet they disapproved of them more than the Republicans that they voted out of office-- and this happened before the Democrats took office and had a chance to vote on even one piece of legislation.  Well, if that's the case, then the people are clearly irrational, and therefore we can dismiss the importance of the poll numbers.

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The slide didn't happen until after the election ...

and people started to see what they got instead of what they were hoping to get.  The Democrats began their anouncements and posturing well in advance of actually taking office in January.  So you can't say that wouldn't have started to affect people's opinions.

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Or

Voters could see the attractive and appealing Democrats who were going to be taking office in January, and the corrupt Republican lame-ducks looked even worse by comparison, causing the December swoon.

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And the continuing decline in the timeframe

were even you acknowledge the Deomcrats get stuck with the dubious credit was caused by ????

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It's caused, obviously,

by the disenchantment of the Democratic base.  Republicans are going to rate a Democratic Congress poorly no matter what, so if a Democratic Congress isn't satisfying Democrats, it's going to poll poorly.

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RE: It's caused, obviously,

And this explains this: Or exactly how?  Don't these seem sort of contradictory even to you?

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Not at all

Democrats were excited about their new elects in December.  Expectations were high, probably too high.  Now, the honeymoon is over.  Democrats see little progress and have turned on their own for failures both real and imagined.  Where's the contradiction?

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I know that you think the red bar ...

will give you instant credibility, I mean who wouldn't, but we all already know you so what's the point.  You're a blue bar through and through.

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I've voted for democrats and republicans

So, I can go red if I want.  I'm not all lathered up about the FISA thing, so I guess that makes me a DINO if I'm blue right now. Plus, the Democrats business as usual attitude on appropriations and earmarks is not making me happy.  I just feel safer on the Republican side right now.

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Do you think

I ever voted republican in my life? (serious question)

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I assume that the purple bar

implies that it would be possible.  I think that if the choice were between a lousy Democrat or a good Republican (by your estimations, obviouly) that you wouldn't be a pure partisan.  I can't say for sure that you have or not, obviously.

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You never read

my bio in the 'Roll Call' have you?

Sadly, I was a 'Dole' voter, plus a few previous to that and after but not at that high of a level.

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That Zogby poll is old, and an outlier

Several polls have come out since that 7/18 Zogby poll that show the congress' rating between 30 and 35% and the President's rating between 25 and 30%.

Only one poll had the congress that low, and it was over two weeks ago.

“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” --- Albert Einstein