Tuesday Open Thread
Welcome back from the holiday. Whatever this holiday was about, I was happy to have an extra day off!
Is the "surge" working? Any good predictions for Dem reactions to Petraeus report? Are they going to force a showdown?
This is an Open Thread.
Submitted by Ender on Tue, 2007-09-04 09:15
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Whatever this holiday was about.....
nice gratuitous dig at the labor movement.
I think since you don't support workers rights, you should be forced to work on Labor Day a minimum of ten hours with no lunch break, since it's a 'communist holiday'.
You scabs that enjoy the fruits of the labor movement, should at least say thank you to the workers who fought for fair treatment in the workplace.
:)
I'm only half stupid
what's a scab?
Who said I didn't support workers rights? I just think an Entrepreneur day would be much more logical in US than "labor day". That's if we were looking at who was the most responsible for the wealth and prosperity we enjoy here in US today.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Maybe your opinion will change when your job
gets outsourced to China. The again, maybe you'd like the fabulous life of leisure and freedom welfare might bring you.
Who is the most responsible
All of us are the most responsible. It shouldn't be either or.
It is a shared responsibility to create the conditions that provide the freedom to compete in the business world within a civil society.
We share the responsibility by sharing the cost by paying taxes, for the infrastructure that allows to get to work, drink clean water at work, have electricity while working, walk on the public sidewalks on our breaks, eat lunch in the public park.
We, the people, the entrepreneur's AND the laborers (used to) also have the opportunity to air grievances in a publically paid for court of law, if we feel we have been wronged.
I'm only half stupid
I'm with you, Ender ...
I support workers rights, like the right to work hard so I can exploit them to get ahead! He he. Suckers! :)
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Who's seen the reviews on the book by Jack Goldsmith,
former head the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel
. His right wing credentials were impeccable. He was a John Yoo friend. But he questioned David Addington's legal conclusions, Darth Cheney's current Chief of Staff, and he only lasted 9 months at the DOJ as a result.
It is truly scary the picture that's painted. Apparently Addington, once peeved by the FISA court said:
"We're one bomb away from getting rid of that obnoxious [FISA] court," Goldsmith recalls Addington telling him in February 2004.
Their goal all along was to "get rid of the obnoxious FISA court" entirely, so that they could freely eavesdrop on whomever they wanted with no warrants or oversight of any kind. And here is Dick Cheney's top aide, drooling with anticipation at the prospect of another terrorist attack so that they could seize this power without challenge.
bush43...dictatorship with feeling.
I put up a mild diary
on Political Fleshfeast. Pardon the crude formulation as I tried to tailor the tone to the site.
When was the World ever not pissed at Israel?
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
I have to admit
..that I'm enjoying the Political Flesh Feast... even though the cast of characters reminds me of the motley array of mutant muppets from the Star Wars bar scene :-)
skymutt: accept no substitutes!
it's a bunch of leftist freaks
who are definitely far to the left of dkos which is hard to do.
But they are somewhat fun. I don't really read it much, just checked in today for a short time, got pissed and wrote a little bit :)
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
GBCW pff?
I'm getting nothing but 404 errors... odd...
skymutt: accept no substitutes!
All the traffic from SC users going over to gawk
at Ender's diary obviously crashed their tiny little site. We should be more considerate.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
haha
probably just a minor crash :) We have it here all the time.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Doubtful
It's not a site crash. The web server is responding fine-- the scrpts that run the site are just plain missing. Either peeder intentionally took the site down, or he or his host screwed things up.
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I/P issues
Ender, is this what you do--go to obscure blogs and swim into I/P disputes anywhere?
not usually no :)
But sometimes stuff needs to be said.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Proving he's a true Republican,
Mitt Romney expresses his love of 'tube steaks'
. While the YouTube of this proves he said it, I think Wonkette twists it slightly to work with the current crop of republican leaders.
Shameless diary plug.
If there ever was a consensus on AGW, it has disappeared.
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4I front-paged it
I figure it's gonna generate a lot of discussion =)
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Thanks!
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-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Typicaly vapid
and intentionally misleading diary. It wasn't worth the time wasted reading it.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Can't deny the stats, though.
The stats used to claim consensus have evaporated as of this more recent update.
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-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Actually I can
since your "stats" were uniformly either wrong or misrepresented. That makes them rather easy to deny. Your copy and pasting of a hack political job does not change the reality of the scientific consensus. It doesn;t even seemto be confusing anyone on the matter, so it appears your effort was wasted.
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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Face it, GR, Pope Tlaloc
has spoken ex cathedra, and has pronounced your tract to be heretical and anathema.
Being the pope, he has no need to actually argue any p[oint, provide any backup for his argument from faith, or make any argument from any facts.
AS the Inquisitor said to Galileo, "No, I will not look through your instrument [the telescope], for I know that even if I see in there exactly what you say I will see, it will have been put their by Satan for me to see."
So sayeth Tlaloc!
Dominus tecum.
God it cracks me up
...when you flat earthers invoke galileo.
Who said irony is dead?
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Tlaloc, this can
be used as evidence that you are an total idiot.
In fact, you are the closest thing to a flat earther I've run into.
Mexican Prez Calderon Scolds Us..
...for having the audacity to enforce the "laws on the books." To be fair, he tells the Mexican citizenry in Mexico that they need to create jobs there to keep their economy up. However, here are a few excerpts he has for the U.S.:
Once you get past the rhetoric, the key point is "don't start enforcing your laws, because it violates human rights."
The whole Mexican=Mexico thing is only somewhat upsetting to me, because (as I mentioned before, the issue hasn't directly affected me quite yet). Plus, I think our country is still sane enough to just ignore him and let him throw red meat to his base. At least I think people won't take him seriously. However, I know Conservative Talk Radio will have a Field Day with this for a couple news cycles.
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Well, now it's official.
For years now the anti-illegal immigration camp has argued that the Mexicans don't want to assimilate and that they are, in effect, trying to take back sourthern California for themselves.
The Mexican Prez has now made that official:
They're trying to illegally annex our country! :)
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4annex vs steal.
Well, we just up and took Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California.
I say we give 'em Texas.
I'd throw in a few* others
(Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma)
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Hey, we won them fair and square!
To the victors go the spoils!
I say Isreal gets to keep everything it captured too!
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Sounds like someone isn't a fan of the South.
Not all of us are bad. Plus, the weather is great down there! (Not to mention the football).
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No...
not all southerners are bad by any strecth of the imagination. I have two dear friends who happen to live in Texas.
but
Taken as a whole the south completely sucks. In pretty much every objective measure of society they come in last. Most teen pregnancies, worst education, worst crime, most racism, and on and on and on.
I've occasionally challenged the various defenders of the south to come up with something, anything, meaningful that the south does at least on par with the rest of the US. Tobacco and sports seems to be it.
I'm not at all a fan of the weather, either.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Taking the "Defend the South" Challenge :-)
I would think that although you dislike the weather, most do not, and could actually refer to this as a plus.
I would also vouch for the cost-of-living there. Where $800,000 may get me a "standard" studio apartment in New York, it would definitely give me a lot more space in downtown Atlanta, and perhaps a place with some acreage in other areas. Even in the Suburban areas that kinda money would go a very long way. The population numbers are moving towards those states probably because of these reasons.
As for the racism, I would submit it still exists there, but I've heard that there are areas of the more subtle, condescending racism up in some areas of Jersey and Boston--which can be more threatening in certain instances (not physically, but most likely financially).
Of course, me growing up there I would have to vouch from where I come from. I meet those who love to condescend the South on a regular basis, especially on my occasional trips to Columbia U. Not saying you were doing it, but it does happen.
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Didn't we just go thru this anti-south garbage?
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Probably.
You gonna take the challenge?
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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Hmm
Well they seem to b*tch and complain a bit less about things down south, generally speaking...
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I'm sorry...
...were you comatose during the immigration issue?
Were you not aware that more than a few in the south continue to this day to b*tch about the civil war, oh sorry War of Northern Agression, up to and including continuing to use the confederate flag on governmental buildings? Yeah I'm looking at you South Carolina. A 147 years later and they can't let it go.
You know why most of our presidents have been southerners? Because the conventional political wisdom is that the south by and large won't vote for anyone else. Think for a moment about the whiny prima dona attitude that implies.
You might want to get your hearing checked cause I promise you that the rest of us have no problem hearing a lot of nasal whining coming from the south.
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I'll attempt
For the most part, I agree with you, but there are a couple of bright spots.
Specifically food and music. The south has some great cuisine. Tex-mex, cajun--love me some gumbo, 'soul' food--some is very tasty, Southern cooking in general (everything fried and made with bacon-yum, corn bread, and such). I didn't say it was healthy, just tasty.
Music: Lousiana has great jazz, Southern Rock from the late 60's and through the 70's is good (on occassion), and the Dixie Chicks are OK too.
Ok, that's all I could think of.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
Don't like the food
I hate spicy fatty foods, which is of course a personal matter, but since you raised the topic.
Now the music is a decent point. A lot of good music did originate in the south. That's worth considering. Of course you have to balance that with the modern south being by far the largest market and producer of Country, a style of music which is notable only for the utter dearth of talent in the field.
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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Food and music
are both subjective measurements that are hard to quantify, but I think they can be used as some form of cultural marker.
I love spicy foods. Fatty foods are ok on occasion, but I try to avoid them for the most part.
As far as music, I am not a country fan, nor am I huge on rap (for the most part), but it does seem that most of what is at least commercially available from the south these days is one of those two.
The south did help create rock 'n roll though. I'm not a huge Elvis fan, but I respect his influence on music, and arguably that (rock) is a product of the south.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
It would certainly be fair
...to say that the south played a large roll in the development of rock. And, as you mentioned, Jazz. Also blues. Like I said that's something to consider. If those were more current accomplishments I'd call it a good answer to "the Challenge." Given the timing though I'm having a hard time seeing why some good work 50-100 years ago warrants putting up with them now.
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Tlaloc the cruel
OK, that argument damns (er, darns) the south for me. But somehow I thought the idiots of the North also helped.
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Hey, it's not just me saying it anymore!
Others have noticed and Wikipedia has acknowledged the inherent bias that is possible on their site:
Wikipedia confesses to a certain bias
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Nothing's inherent in there.
Here's the actual statement from the wikipedia rep:
How is this any different from any presentation of history or any presentation of any topic whatsoever? All he's saying is that the people with more desire to push an idea are the ones actually pushing it - that's like saying human speech is inherently biased towards people who talk a lot. What's especially funny about this is that the idiot writer from the Herald Sun somehow jumps from "more motivated" to "leftist", and then claims that wikipedia has an inherently leftist bias.
*rolls eyes
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Ah, but we have already covered the source of the leftist bias.
Right here on SC. The bias is, of course, the exact same bias that creeps into the MSM. Leftists have a natural tendency to want to control things like this type of information. They don't feel truly fulfilled unless they are pushing their drivel onto someone who doesn't want it.
They are communal by nature as well, which gives them a distinct advantage at controlling the information pushed into wikipedia.
Literal hordes of leftists with nothing better to do than rake muck, since they aren't out running businesses like all good capitalists would be, descend upon wikipedia like a plague of locusts and destroy any vestiges of right wing commentary simply by overwhelming our ability to respond.
This would be obvious to you if you weren't so blinded by your partisanship! :)
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4In which case
it's not an inherent bias in wikipedia, but an inherent flaw that can lead others to exploit it for bias. :) So my point stands!
The problem with this idea, besides the armchair sociology involved, is that it excuses you from ever having to address a point made in the media: it's biased left because it's biased left because it's biased left. Tautology!
And if we're a literal horde, then I want my own yurt.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
This, of course, is not what I said ...
and is therefore a strawman.
Aren't those standard issue amongst the leftist hordes? I would have thought that they were. :)
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4No comments on Hansen's graph?
Which overlays the observed data with his 1988 alarmist propaganda...
I'm the Bugs Bunny of Swords Crossed!
-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Craig to throw wrench into Republican leadership lynching?
We all know that Republican leadership threw Larry Craig under the bus, many even before Craig held his press conference.
Well, it looks like Larry may throw a wrench into the GOP's leadership efforts to get him out of the way, ASAP:
Poor Mitch McConnell. Not only can he not keep his caucus in line, even the guy he hung out to dry is coming back from the dead to haunt him.
If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?
Hopefully at some point
we'll start seeing more narratives about disarray in the Republican caucus instead of the ubiquitous "Democrats can't keep it together" line.
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Craig returns from dead; haunts Mitch McConnell
Would make a great horror film for Republicans:
If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?
rofl (nt)
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What is it about this case that really got him trampled? I mean, hypocracy abounds in the Republican party when it comes to 'family values'.
Is it just concern that they will have to spend money in Idaho in 08?