Weekend Open Thread

Some view Ahmadinejad's visit as a PR victory for his cause.

Edwards will likely back off his pledge to only use public money.

Despite the government crackdown, protests continue on the streets of Myanmar.

The Chicago Cubs win the NL Central title . Could this be their year?

Hope your weekend successfully brings the week to an end.

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The Burka Treatment

The infamous stalls at the Minneapolis airport will get the burka treatment. The metal sides will be dropped almost to the floor blocking the view of future toe tappers.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Some pictures of 'phony soldiers'

It is the economy, stupid.

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Just so everyone is clear ...

this is missliberties calling these people "phony soldiers", not Rush Limbaugh.

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Just so you are clear

this is a post from a soldier who had a polinoidal cysts removed (the same condition that caused Rush's exemption) who is now serving in Iraq, and is posting pictures of his friends who are serving in combat and asking Rush if he thinks that these good men are phony soldiers in Rush's mind.

It is the economy, stupid.

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I was editing ...

Here is what I would have added to the above post:

Rush Sets the Record Straight:
"Phony Soldiers" Is a Phony Story

You Tube: Opening Monologue on the Phony "Phony Soldiers" Story

Oh, and of course the Media Matters link the soldier in question relies on is a lie.  Why is Media Matters trying to dupe our fine men and women in uniform with misleading and inaccurate information? 

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Yes GR we

have all seen the edited version.

Of course he is mopping up by revising the transcript. I would do the same if I had called troops in the field, complying with their orders, serving at the pleasure of the Commander in Chief phony.

I am sure Rush can't backpedal fast enough to get this story off his back.

It's not the first time he has accused soldiers that vote blue of being unpatriotic.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Outright lies. Nothing but outright lies.

Which is to be expected, I guess, as it is standard operating procedure for the left.

Proof of editing or revision please? 

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It's a bit lengthy

and you have to read the whole thing. He edited out portions of his orignal show in the transcript and audio

The fuller context of the original comments makes it clear his true intent.

Are you denying that Rush has never said hateful things about military men that have served their country IF they happen to be Democrats? Of course he has. It's his modus operandi.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Well, I decided to do some first hand research here.

I have the audio files that I personally downloaded from RushLimbaugh.com on September 26, 2007 before this whole Phony "Phony Soldier" story was put up on Media Matters. So if they were edited, then Rush had to be clairvoyant because the story hadn't even broke. So as a baseline, here is what I found there:

$ md5sum *26*
cf7ae77d17170a5c37f4604abc7fae48 *Rush Limbaugh - Sep 26 2007 - Hour 1.mp3
032a269c9dd448f007c4f763c68377ec *Rush Limbaugh - Sep 26 2007 - Hour 2.mp3
b566da5848ddd0b777be1cc42790ae76 *Rush Limbaugh - Sep 26 2007 - Hour 3.mp3

I then cleared my IE cache and redownloaded the same files just now. Here is what I got:

$ md5sum *26*
cf7ae77d17170a5c37f4604abc7fae48 *Rush Limbaugh - Sep 26 2007 - Hour 1.mp3
032a269c9dd448f007c4f763c68377ec *Rush Limbaugh - Sep 26 2007 - Hour 2.mp3
b566da5848ddd0b777be1cc42790ae76 *Rush Limbaugh - Sep 26 2007 - Hour 3.mp3

So, upon close examination the original audio files for that day have not been altered, edited, or mopped up in any way.

The audio for the clips in question are in Hour 2. I then personally reviewed the audio again taking careful note of the timestamps within that file. Here is what I found:

 

Timestamp Audio
24:04 Rush: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, NY
25:21 Rush: … It isn't intellectually possible to follow these people …
25:27 Caller: … Real Soldiers …
25:33 Rush: … Phony Soldiers …
25:57 Caller: … and my other comment was …
27:40 End call with Mike
27:45 Starts the segment on Jesse Macbeth

 

So, the charge of editing must be concerned with his audio for September 28, 2007. Upon examining the Media Matters story found here (as it existed at 2:49PM Eastern Time on September 29, 2007) their claim that Rush's audio recap had edited out a portion of the September 26 exchange is correct, and the content of the information edited out was also accurate and is being reproduced here to prevent tampering:

RUSH:
They joined to be in Iraq.

[begin
Limbaugh edit]

CALLER:
A lot of them -- the new kids,
yeah.

LIMBAUGH:
Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed
up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or
somewhere.

CALLER:
Exactly, sir. And, and my other comment was -- and the reason I was calling for
-- was to report to Jill about the fact that we didn't, didn't find any weapons
of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in
chemical agents that [inaudible] been using against us for awhile
now.

I've
done two tours in Iraq. I just got back in June and
there were many instances of -- since [inaudible] not know what they're using in
their IEDs [improvised explosive devices]. They're using mustard artillery
rounds. The ex-artillery rounds in their IEDs.

Because
they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it just
kind of -- it, it didn't really hurt anybody but there are -- those munitions
are over there, it's just -- it's a huge desert. If they've buried it somewhere,
we're never gonna find it.

LIMBAUGH:
Well, you know, that's a moot point for me right now
--

MIKE:
Rush --

LIMBAUGH:
-- the weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're, we're
there. What -- who cares if, if -- we all know they were there and, and Mahmoud
[Ahmadinejad, Iranian president] even admitted it in one of his speeches here
about -- talkin' about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on
his own people -- but that, that's moot, right? What, what's more important is
all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge
working.

And
all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out
of there, which means that success on the part of you and, and your colleagues
over there is, is a great threat to them.

[end
Limbaugh edit]

RUSH:
It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I
want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very
much.

So, given this evidence the only thing that I can conclude is that both Media Matters and Missliberties are trying to falsely leave the impression that Rush had somehow covered something up by editing the audio. As we clearly see, however, the portion that had been edited was unrelated to the issue at hand, and hence is immaterial to the discussion. In other words, the edited portion had no substantive value to the discussion at all.

This hardly bolsters a charge of intentionally covering something up.

So, to summarize the full sequence of events we have the following (timestamps relative to the Hour 2 audio):

 

Timestamp Significance
24:04 Rush accepts a call from Mike in Olympia, NY in which he knows that the
caller wants to discuss, among other things, unreal/fake soldiers. This
is information that Rush has as part of the call screening process.
25:27 The caller raises the point that Rush is interested in, the unreal/fake
soldiers point. The point that he wants to use as a transition or
introduction to his next segment which is going to be about his Morning
Update he had previously done on "Phony Soldiers".
25:33 Rush rephrases the soldiers terms into the terms he used in the
previously produced morning update.
25:57 The caller, not Rush, move on to another point about having found WMDs
in Iraq. Rush engages the caller on the point but it is obvious that he
wants to move on to the next segment by indicating the this is something
that he wants to move on from.
27:40 The call with Mike from Olympia, NY ends.
27:45 Rush starts the segment on Jesse Macbeth immediately after finishing the
previous call.

 

Now the interpetations of motives provided in the above scenario are my based on having listened to Rush's show for many years and understanding how he likes to run his program. This should not be considered outlandish by any means to someone who actually listens to the show.

So, while this time Media Matters hasn't committed an outright lie ... like their previous story on this subject did, they are clearly trying to mislead people about Rush's intentions with editing the script for clarity and to save broadcast time.

In the end, however, this is all just a distraction from the primary point that they are intentionally misrepresenting who Rush was referring to with his Phony Soldiers comment. So, I say again just to be clear, it is Media Matters and Missliberties that apply the term Phony Soldiers to any soldier that advocates withdrawal, not Rush Limbaugh.

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Nice work GR!

But this is all we need to know from your research.....

As we clearly see, however, the portion that had been edited was unrelated to the issue at hand, and hence is immaterial to the discussion. In other words, the edited portion had no substantive value to the discussion at all.

So Rush edited the transcript and the tape as I stated, and it's all part of the infamous context, in which there is no mention of your anti-hero Jesse, which is one person, singular, as in soldier, not plural as in soldiers.

Rush can still be your hero, I really don't care, as I am sure you agree with the gist of what he is saying...... which is basically all about the left and why democrats hate America. :)

It is the economy, stupid.

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Lies. Nothing but lies.

So Rush edited the transcript and the tape as I stated, and it's all
part of the infamous context, in which there is no mention of your
anti-hero Jesse
, which is one person, singular, as in soldier, not
plural as in soldiers
.

You must like lying because that is all you are doing on this totally debunked crusade. Rush clearly discussed Jesse Macbeth as a follow-up to the caller. Your selective editing won't change that fact. True, you mentioned that the audio had been edited as you tried to imply a cover up of a fanrication of some sort. There was none. Rush let the caller finish their points and then moved on to Jesse Macbeth.

And Jesse Macbeth is not the only such example. There are certainly others. Not discussed on that portion of the program but still the exist.

They too are an example of how the left must fabricate lies to try and make a point. Rush is right, truth is your biggest enemy.

See also

You can lie all you want but I'll be right here to counter those lies with the truth.

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I disagree

I look forward to seeing if Rush takes up the challenge to debate with a real soldier who served in Iraq, John Stolz of Vote Vets. I doubt that Rush has the courage.

Fortunately the real soldiers are not taking Rush's slanderous comments laying down. They have come out with an ad.

Freedom of speech. Aint it grand.

It is the economy, stupid.

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You don't disagree, you lie.

And your lies are slandering the very people you purport to stand up for. It is YOU who mean the people in that ad when you use the term "Phony Soldiers", not Rush Limbaugh as has been amply demonstrated.

You lie, I correct the record. That's how this will play out.

Rush Sets the Record Straight:
"Phony Soldiers" Is a Phony Story

You Tube: Opening Monologue on the Phony "Phony Soldiers" Story

Oh, and of course the Media Matters* stories are fabrications as well.

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* A subsidiary of the Hillary Clinton and George Soros enterprises. 

 

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Rush does nuance?

Funny thing is GR, you are telling me and others, who have eyes and ears that we can see with and hear with, not to believe our eyes and ears.

The people who do not listen to Rush on a regular basis, don't do nuance Rush style.

This equivocation by Rush of having to 'set the record straight' is an admission that the record needed to be straightened....... hmmmmm. I wonder why.

This is Rush imitating Kerry. Rush was against the soldiers (that speak out against the war) before he was for them.

Rush fans might understand Rush's nuanced position, but the rest of us not so much.

Rush was speaking about soldiers that come back from Iraq and speak out. Those that don't tow the 'party line'.


Can you identify which of these soldiers spoke out against the war, or as Rush would characterize them were the 'phony soldiers'.

Don't worry Rush won't lose any of his hard core fans, who will understand his nuanced moral equivocations that only "real" soldiers support the war.

The rest of the soldiers in Rush's mind are 'fakes or phonies", not because they followed orders, did their jobs and completed their tour of duty, but because they speak out against the President failed war strategy.

It is the economy, stupid.

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No need for nuance here ...

Rush simply never meant what Media Matters fabricated and what you are seeking to propagate.

This equivocation by Rush of having to 'set the record straight' is an admission that the record needed to be straightened....... hmmmmm. I wonder why.

Because you and Media Matters are fabricating lies.  Duh.

Rush was speaking about soldiers that come back from Iraq and speak out. Those that don't tow the 'party line'.

And this is the lie.  Rush was talking about the people like Jesse Macbeth who never went to Iraq but claim that they did while spreading lies about the supposed atrocities that he witnessed.  For some reason the left laps this kind of thing up and holds these people up to be courageous when in fact they are losers.  I guess that they are in good company, so to speak.

Rush never meant anyone other than the Jesse Macbeth's of the world.

You lie, I correct the record. That's how this will play out.

Rush Sets the Record Straight:
"Phony Soldiers" Is a Phony Story

You Tube: Opening Monologue on the Phony "Phony Soldiers" Story

Oh, and of course the Media Matters* stories are fabrications as well.

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* A subsidiary of the Hillary Clinton and George Soros enterprises. 

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Too much explaining

looks like excuses to people that don't have the 'deep' understanding of Rush that you do.

*oh and you forgot, the Clinton/Soros/Heinz-Kerry connection. Isn't Thersa Heinz-Kerry in on the MM conspiracy? I was pretty sure she was? Have you heard anything?

It is the economy, stupid.

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You lie, I correct the record.

You lie, I correct the record. That's how this will play out.

Rush Sets the Record Straight:
"Phony Soldiers" Is a Phony Story

You Tube: Opening Monologue on the Phony "Phony Soldiers" Story

Oh, and of course the Media Matters* stories are fabrications as well.

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* A subsidiary of the Hillary Clinton and George Soros enterprises.

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The record stands uncorrected.

I believe my eyes, not Rush's lies.

Equivocation in the name of pure partisanship, fabricating excuses for constant slander upon those who express disagreement.

No you are mistaken here...... which could come from your 'deep' understanding of Rush. Do you really expect the rest of us to share that 'deep' understanding after his non stop insults?

It is the economy, stupid.

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You lie, I correct the record.

You lie, I correct the record. That's how this will play out.

Rush Sets the Record Straight:
"Phony Soldiers" Is a Phony Story

You Tube: Opening Monologue on the Phony "Phony Soldiers" Story

Oh, and of course the Media Matters* stories are fabrications as well.

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* A subsidiary of the Hillary Clinton and George Soros enterprises.

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Cat fight.

Pootie says you are wrong wrong wrong. Pootie says back off or next time, it's a cat fight.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Oh yea? Well bring it on, baby! Bring IT ON!

Boxing Kitty

:)

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ow, ouch, yikes!

that's cute.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Somebody on dkos posted that a while back.

I saved a copy and have been waiting for just the right moment to use it!

When you challenged a cat fight it came right to mind!  He he.

Thanks for the great setup! 

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Hiiiissssssssss

I'm keeping my eyes on you, and I am a member of the truth squad.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Rush is lying about Jesse Macbeth

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/25/22538/8678

DailyKos and liberals have not heard about Jesse Macbeth.

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Tell them to check the Libopedia ...

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Rush is NOT lying about Jesse MacBeth.

OK, you actually got me to go read the dkos article. I found it quite amusing in its attempt to sidestep the truth. They're wearing blinders and can't see the truth even if they want.

This is typical of tin foil hats at dkos. I especially liked the following paranoid annecdote:

The question was: Who was behind it? Who benefits from such a video?
From the comment section to the post by Maha comes this most sentient statement by former Marine D.R. Marvel:

But if this bloke is a phony, chances are he's a "plant"...As were so many of J. Edgar's COINTELPRO-phylactics back in the day...

It worked pretty well for them back then...One thing you can be sure of about the RW: they never get tired of "Old Tricks"...And their audience never fails to fall for them...

Blame it on the man! Their trying to control us, dude!

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Isnt it weird that RW know more of Macbeth than Kossacks

The first I heard of Jesse Macbeth was from you.

So how can he be a liberal sensation when nobody has heard about him except rightwingers like Rush and Malkin and the RW crowd.

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Look, just because the guy at dkos hasn't heard of him ...

and you haven't heard of him ...

doesn't mean he isn't exactly what he appears to be, a left wing nut case posing as a soldier to smear the troops. He's clearly not right wing because we have no reason to smear the troops.

Was he a big deal before the "Phony Soldier" flap? Probably not.

The irony here is that nobody would probably know about him today if it wasn't for the Phony Media Matters smear on Rush. That's what catapulted his name everywhere in the first place: people defending Rush. Now he has become a phenomenon and has been successfuly labeled a left wing hero all because of another smear attempt by the left gone wrong.

In a way this is the whole Betray Us thing all over again. MoveOn tried to smear Patraeus and it failed big time and they will have that tag forever. MediaMatters tried to create a left wing version of Betray Us by hyping and lying about what Rush said and asserting that he meant something that he clearly did not. This too backfired miserably which makes it all the more funny.

The best thing the left can do at this point is let them both blow over. If/when they introduce a resolution to condemn Rush over this made up story, that too will backfire. Republicans are never going to support it because the MediaMatters lies are just too obvious.

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Oh, and here's my one liner version of a retort ...

Isnt it weird that RW know more of Macbeth than Kossacks?

No, not at all. That's true about most subjects, not just Macbeth! :)

 

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John Gibson: Media Matters Is Lying About Rush Limbaugh!

More on the Media Matters lies:

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Gibson as a reliable source.....

You are joking right.

It is the economy, stupid.

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He has the audio clips in context and correctly

highlights the modus operandi of Media Matters, a subsidiary of George Soros and the Liberal Left.

Gibson is a more reliable sorce than Media Matters. 

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We have been through this before

I will say this one more time.

Emmett Terrell (your Hillary hating pal) and David Brock (the founder of Media Matters) worked together on the details in your famous Clinton is a murderer dairy.

David Brock quit after he realized that he had been had, and that trooper gate was a phony set up. He even wrote a book about it.

He was so disgusted he switched loyalties and his response was to do something about it by creating a media fact checking organization which is thorough and meticulous known as Media Matters.

This George Soros strawman (tin foil hat theory) is out of hand, as if that makes Rush less of a phony patriot.

You think the US govt or the Bush's have never taken money from the bin Laden family? Shocking they have! The people that are the terrorists have given money to the US govt. Does that discredit our govt. You can't just say Soros and expect that you have won some brilliant point in an argument, because you haven't. It is just a sign of desparation.

It is the economy, stupid.

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These pretty much tell you everything you need to know ...

On Media Matters funding:

The site "was devised as part of a larger media apparatus being built by liberals to combat what they say is the overwhelming influence of conservative commentators like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly ." The "project was developed with help from the newly formed Center for American Progress , the policy group headed by John D. Podesta ," Bill Clinton 's former chief of staff. "Brock said he hoped it could help provide fodder for fledgling liberal radio talk shows being started across the country, including those of the comedians Al Franken and Janeane Garofalo ." [4]

Funding

Funded with "more than $2 million in donations from wealthy liberals." "Among Mr. Brock's donors is Leo Hindery, Jr. , the former cable magnate; Susie Tompkins Buell , who is co-founder of the fashion company Esprit and is close to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, and Ms. Buell's husband Mark; and James C. Hormel , a San Francisco philanthropist whose appointment as ambassador to Luxembourg was delayed for a year and a half in the late 1990's by conservative lawmakers protesting what they called his promotion of a 'gay lifestyle.' [5]

Media Matters for America is funded in part by the Democracy Alliance .

Brock's donors read like a Who's Who of those who have financed the new, activist Left. Besides Buell and Hindery, donors to Media Matters include Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corp., who has contributed more than $7 million to the 527s in partnership with his friend, the financier George Soros. There is Democratic activist Bren Simon, wife of shopping-mall tycoon Mel Simon, New York psychologist and donor Gail Furman, California philanthropist James Hormel, and others. Two anti-Bush organizations, the New Democratic Network and MoveOn.org, have also contributed to Brock's project.

In addition to his donor list, Brock's staff at times resembles that of a political campaign. In the group's K Street offices, there are a number of veterans of Democratic causes. One Brock aide did opposition research for the recent presidential campaign of Sen. John Edwards; another did the same thing for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee; yet another worked on the Wesley Clark presidential campaign; another worked for Massachusetts Democratic representative Barney Frank, and so on.

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Sounds good to me

Thank goodness for Media Matters.

Progressive politics finally has a fact checking friend. And thank goodness some civic minded capitalists are backing them to counteract the spin and lies of the Vast Right Wing Noise Machine! Hooray!

Fact checking Rushbo is a cake walk. Thanks Rush for making Media Matters job so easy!

It is the economy, stupid.

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A misinformation fabricating friend.

As we have seen.

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I bet GR believes Saddam had something to do with 911

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Yes GR has been brainwashed

It is the economy, stupid.

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Why would I think that?

Everyone knows there was no connection between Saddam/Iraq and 9/11.

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Not everyone

Dick Cheney still insists there was a connection. He insists!

It is the economy, stupid.

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I doubt Cheney really believes that

It is all for show to justify--those hundred of billion dollar contracts of their cronies.

And they are getting away with it.

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Paul Singer, a member of Giuliani's national finance committee

has been revealed as the money man behind a proposed ballot measure that would have changed California's winner-take-all Electoral College vote system .Missouri attorney Charles Hurtt III was the legal agent for a tax-exempt corporation called "Take Initiative America," which provided the sole donation - $175,000 - to the effort to qualify the measure for the California ballot.

But Hurtt and his organization would not reveal the source of their money - even as Democrats in California threatened legal action and charged that the GOP-backed effort smacked of money laundering. They suggested there were numerous links between the ballot effort and the Giuliani campaign, and challenged the former New York mayor's campaign aides to reveal where the money came from.

The Presidential Election Reform Act would have changed the winner-take-all election rules for the 55 electoral votes in Democratic-leaning California. Many political observers said that would probably have provided an unexpected windfall for Republicans - perhaps as many electoral votes as could be gained in a major state such as Ohio or Pennsylvania - and possibly changed the outcome of the 2008 presidential election.

Singer is a member of Giuliani's national finance committee and has generated more than $500,000 for the Republican's presidential campaign. "This puts this money-laundering operation right inside the Giuliani campaign ... with Rudy's top donor and his closest confidants," said Chris Lehane, a Democratic strategist. "Federal election law is clear. If you're a presidential candidate, you or your agents can't direct money to a campaign that impacts the presidential campaign ... and there's no better way to rig the campaign than to impact the electoral college system."

Welcome to the same bunch of crooks who stole the 2000 election in Florida & the 2004 election in Ohio. Does Guiliani really represent conservative values that you here on the right leaning side of the aisle can truly support?

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Gingrich is out

according to an aide .

Oh well, I guess you always have Romney . Ha, ha. :-)

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Is it just me

or does Romney seem so plastic that if you lit a match next to him his face would start to melt. :)

(that is snark, for Ender's benefit)

It is the economy, stupid.

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yeah I just read that :(

Ughhhhhhhhhh. Oh well. I guess I'll deal with Giuliani for now. See you guys later, running out to a bday party.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Baseball?

I don't have much to add about the most boring sport invented.

Now if you want to talk about the Fighting Irish's 4 (and soon to be 5) game losing streak this season due to their anemic offense, I'm game.

:-)

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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I'm actually

more of a pro hockey and football fan, but I thought the Cubs' scenario might be of historical significance, so I thought I would add it to be ahead of the curve, you know, just in case.

I would argue golf is more boring (at least to watch. I've never played it, PM, so don't jump on me here).

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Football/Hockey

The only sports I watch/follow are hockey and football as well. I'd rather watch curling than baseball, but that doesn't say much since I really like curling.

I'm enjoying living close enough to Canada that I get CBC on basic cable. Unfortunately, the Blue Jackets are almost always on Fox Sports Ohio. I prefer college football to professional. Buckeye Cable is nice enough to show the Big Ten Network on a spare channel on Saturdays when games are actually on, so I can still see Ohio State games when they're on. Unfortunately, a few have been on ESPN, which I don't get, but I'll live.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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Tlaloc's first rule of reading the news

Any day that Pakistan appears in a headline is not a good day.

Riots in Islamabad Over Musharraf

Less than 24 hours after Pakistan's Supreme Court ruled in favor of President General Pervez Musharraf's eligibility to run for a second term in office, government forces laid siege to the Supreme Court grounds, where several hundred lawyers had taken refuge after a vicious attack on a peaceful protest in the capital, Islamabad.

damn it.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Add to that a Taliban attack in Kabul

Karzai Offers to Negotiate with Taliban

al-Queda Iraq seems to be everywhere.

I say double damn it. And this was all so forseeable. If only we had stayed in Afganistan. The heaviest of sighs.

It is the economy, stupid.

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But what good would staying in Afganistan do anyway?

I thought Bin Laden was in Pakistan. Shouldn't we have invaded them instead?  Why don't you want to catch Bin Laden?

Republican Maverick at Large
-4:Strongly Disagree; 0:Meh; +4:Strongly Agree

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Nevermind

You are too shallow to discuss anything in any way other than turning every subject into some kind of partisan attack. Congratulations on your complete insincerity.

Ignoring the facts again.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Prepare to throw rice

Wedding in 8 hours.

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Love ya!

Best of luck!

It is the economy, stupid.

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oh and

before you get dressed and ready could you take a sec to recommend my new dairy?

:+)

>kidding<

It is the economy, stupid.