Who is winning the Iraq War?

In this month's New York Review of Books, Peter W. Galbraith's "The Victor? " gives a preponderance of evidence of who actually won (or is winning) the Iraq war. The United States? Al-Qaeda in Iraq and by extension bin Laden? The native Iraqi insurgents?

Wrong.

Iran is the ultimate victor as the Iranian-influenced Shiites continue to gain predominance over the country. One of the better-known examples is of course al-Sadr's Mahdi army, but the reach of Iran extends much further than this:

In his continuing effort to bolster support for the Iraq war, President Bush traveled to Reno, Nevada, on August 28 to speak to the annual convention of the American Legion. He emphatically warned of the Iranian threat should the United States withdraw from Iraq. Said the President, "For all those who ask whether the fight in Iraq is worth it, imagine an Iraq where militia groups backed by Iran control large parts of the country."

On the same day, in the southern Iraqi city of Karbala, the Mahdi Army, a militia loyal to the radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, battled government security forces around the shrine of Imam Hussein, one of Shiite Islam's holiest places. A million pilgrims were in the city and fifty-one died.

The US did not directly intervene, but American jets flew overhead in support of the government security forces. As elsewhere in the south, those Iraqi forces are dominated by the Badr Organization, a militia founded, trained, armed, and financed by Iran. When US forces ousted Saddam's regime from the south in early April 2003, the Badr Organization infiltrated from Iran to fill the void left by the Bush administration's failure to plan for security and governance in post-invasion Iraq.

Not only do militias wield influence, but the Iranians and those strongly sympathetic to Iran infiltrated the Iraqi government.

In the months that followed [the invasion], the US-run Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) appointed Badr Organization leaders to key positions in Iraq's American-created army and police. At the same time, L. Paul Bremer's CPA appointed party officials from the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) to be governors and serve on governorate councils throughout southern Iraq. SCIRI, recently renamed the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council (SIIC), was founded at the Ayatollah Khomeini's direction in Tehran in 1982. The Badr Organization is the militia associated with SCIRI.

In the January 2005 elections, SCIRI became the most important component of Iraq's ruling Shiite coalition. In exchange for not taking the prime minister's slot, SCIRI won the right to name key ministers, including the minister of the interior. From that ministry, SCIRI placed Badr militiamen throughout Iraq's national police.

In short, George W. Bush had from the first facilitated the very event he warned would be a disastrous consequence of a US withdrawal from Iraq: the takeover of a large part of the country by an Iranian-backed militia. And while the President contrasts the promise of democracy in Iraq with the tyranny in Iran, there is now substantially more personal freedom in Iran than in southern Iraq.

Some even had a hand in drafting the mostly defunct Iraqi constitution.

Iran's role in Iraq is pervasive, but also subtle. When Iraq drafted its permanent constitution in 2005, the American ambassador energetically engaged in all parts of the process. But behind the scenes, the Iranian ambassador intervened to block provisions that Tehran did not like. As it happened, both the Americans and the Iranians wanted to strengthen Iraq's central government. While the Bush administration clung to the mirage of a single Iraqi people, Tehran worked to give its proxies, the pro-Iranian Iraqis it supported—by then established as the government of Iraq—as much power as possible. (Thanks to Kurdish obstinacy, neither the US nor Iran succeeded in its goal, but even now both the US and Iran want to see the central government strengthened.)

The Iranian hand reaches into military and economic alliances as well.

Since 2005, Iraq's Shiite-led government has concluded numerous economic, political, and military agreements with Iran. The most important would link the two countries' strategic oil reserves by building a pipeline from southern Iraq to Iran, while another commits Iran to providing extensive military assistance to the Iraqi government. According to a senior official in Iraq's Oil Ministry, smugglers divert at least 150,000 barrels of Iraq's daily oil exports through Iran, a figure that approaches 10 percent of Iraq's production. Iran has yet to provide the military support it promised to the Iraqi army. With the US supplying 160,000 troops and hundreds of billions of dollars to support a pro-Iranian Iraqi government, Iran has no reason to invest its own resources.

The entire article is well-worth the lengthy read. It reveals just how off-track our current venture has gone. It is clear that the goal of a democratic Iraq is now a failure. We can only hope not to make things worse in this unstable nation through our increasing arrogance. Our arrogance had unforeseen consequences leading to a predictable but disastrous (for U.S. interests anyway) power shift: an Iraq alliance with Iran.

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A lot of us have been saying this for some time.

Iran has long been a regional power, that's why we built up hussein- as a counter force. Now not only is Iraq too weak to act as a counter force but many of the remaining power players are friendly to Iranian interests. Plus Iran gains local celebrity by standing up to us in a period when we are widely distrusted throughout the region.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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In Galbraith's article, which is otherwise very good,

he says that the US is so over-extended in Iraq that it cannot attack Iran. As discussed many times on this website an attack on Iran would be an air and missile attack on their nuclear sites. It would not involve any large number of US troops going into Iran. We would be destroying targets.

Also, significantly, Pres. Sarkozy of France, appears to be on board with the military approach, so that represents a change.

name the enemy, win the war

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Here is what

the article says about air strikes against their nuclear program (I left this out of the main text because it opens a whole new can of worms, but since you brought it up I guess it is OK to include it now):

Sustained air strikes probably could halt Iran's nuclear program. While some Iranian facilities may be hidden and others protected deep underground, the locations of major facilities are known. Even if it is not possible to destroy all the facilities, Iran's scientists, engineers, and construction crews are unlikely to show up for work at places that are subject to ongoing bombing.

But the risks from air strikes are great. Many of the potential targets are in populated places, endangering civilians both from errant bombs and the possible dispersal of radioactive material. The rest of the world would condemn the attacks and there would likely be a virulent anti-US reaction in the Islamic world. In retaliation, Iran could wreak havoc on the world economy (and its own) by withholding oil from the global market and by military action to close the Persian Gulf shipping lanes.

The main risk to the US comes in Iraq. Faced with choosing between the US and Iran, Iraq's government may not choose its liberator. And even if the Iraqi government did not openly cooperate with the Iranians, pro-Iranian elements in the US-armed military and police almost certainly would facilitate attacks on US troops by pro-Iranian Iraqi militia or by Iranian forces infiltrated across Iraq's porous border. A few days after Bush's August 28 speech, Iranian General Rahim Yahya Safavi underscored Iran's ability to retaliate, saying of US troops in the region: "We have accurately identified all their camps." Unless he chooses to act with reckless disregard for the safety of US troops in Iraq, President Bush has effectively denied himself a military option for dealing with the Iranian nuclear program.

I completely agree. It would be ill-advised for three reasons.

1. It would send a relatively pro-western and moderate populace into the arms of the hard-line regime.

2. It may cause further unforeseen consequences (do we really more instability in the ME.? At least now we know who we are dealing with) including civilian deaths and radioactive pollution.

3. It would most likely build on the already negative image the Islamic world has of us, and would create further solidarity between Iraq and Iran making our job all the more difficult to deal with on both fronts.

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Appreciate the info.

With reagrd to your points 1 and 2, I think you are correct, but who really knows. As to point 3, I thought the Saudis and the Emirates might be in favor of these attacks as Iran presents a great threat to them. Remember how they didn't criticize Israel very much in last year's Hezbo war--because the Hezbos were allies of Iran.

As to our negative image in the Islamic world, maybe it's time for the Islamic world to start worrying about the negative image US citizens more and more have about them. This is a two-way street.

If it's a choice between negative image in the Islamic world or Iran getting nukes, I think our gov't will go for trying to take out the nukes and I agree. As Galbraith himself says:

Sustained air strikes probably could halt Iran's nuclear program.

name the enemy, win the war

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"probably"

It is the economy, stupid.

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Iran nukes

I do think Iran developing nuclear technology (or any country for that matter) is a disconcerting development. So please do not think that I believe this matter to be trivial.

Now, we must take his statement in context. While the military strikes would probably halt Iran's nuclear ambitions, the repercussions of this act seem to outweigh the advantages. He does say it would likely work, but he then goes on to list about 5 negative consequences including further losing Iraq.

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Not again

As discussed many times on this website an attack on Iran would be an air and missile attack on their nuclear sites.

It has been discussed many times and the following point always comes up- we cannot take out their nuclear program with airstrikes. PERIOD.

We have no capacity to bomb anything that is more than a hundred feet under rock or a thousand feet under earth, those are the limits of our "bunker buster" bombs. Iran can easily put facilities under a few thousand feet of rock. Easily. To imagne they haven't done so with their nuclear program is ridiculous.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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so go argue with Peter Galbraith,

who wrote the article and apparently opposes US bombing of Iranian nukes. He says it nevertheless can be successful. Tlaoc, who made you an expert?

name the enemy, win the war

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and the same can be asked of you

sandbox

Who made you an expert.

I would in this case define 'successful' in the narrowest sense. We could bomb the nuclear sites, and cheer, then watch as the Middle East goes up in flames.

It's not like we have a lot of extra troops and extra cash to deal with a war in the entire Middle East, from Lebanon to Pakistan. Iran is much bigger and has a much more well organized army than Iraq.

But you would have your prize, then wouldn't you, sandbox. And then what?

A question we might have been wise to ask before 'surgically bombing' Iraq. And then what.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Just look at the situation

The capacity of out bunker busters is actually worse than I remembered:

Current U.S. EPW Capabilities

The United States currently deploys both conventional and nuclear earth-penetrating weapons. The two largest conventional EPWs (called GBU-28 and GBU-37) use the same body but different guidance systems.8 The bodies are long tubes, a third of a meter (14.5 inches) in diameter and four meters (12.8 feet) long, that weigh over two tons and contain nearly 300 kilograms (630 pounds) of high explosive. Both are dropped from aircraft, and tests have shown they can penetrate six meters of concrete or 30 meters of earth. The GBU-28 is laser guided and the GBU-37 is guided by the Global Positioning System, which reportedly makes it more accurate than the GBU-28 and allows it to operate under all weather conditions. Very high accuracy increases the ability of these weapons to destroy shallow hardened targets with known locations (such as missile silos) but not deeply buried targets.9

The United States reportedly stockpiles about fifty B61-11 nuclear EPWs, which—like the conventional alternatives—are dropped from aircraft. This bomb entered the stockpile in 1997, and replaced the 9-megaton B53. It is a modification of the B61-7 bomb with a new casing,10 and reportedly has a variable yield, from 0.3 to 340 kilotons.11 It is shorter than the GBU-28, with a length of 3.6 meters, and has only a quarter of the mass.12 It reportedly can penetrate two to three meters in frozen soil.13

For a penetration depth of three meters and a yield of 0.3 kilotons, the B61-11 could destroy a target buried under roughly 15 meters of hard rock or concrete. For the same penetration depth and the maximum yield of 340 kilotons, the destruction depth would be roughly 70 meters for a hardened target.14

In the 1980s the United States developed and tested but did not deploy a nuclear EPW intended for the intermediate-range Pershing II missile. This warhead, called the W86, was also a modification of the B61.15 It was about two meters long and 0.2 meters in diameter, and could penetrate less than 10 meters of granite or hardened concrete.16 The main mission of this weapon was to crater runways rather than attack buried targets.

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now read this

Iran has a lot of mountainous terrain ideal if you wanted to say dig a tunnel into the rock to hide something. Example. Just north of Tehran alone you have more than a dozen peaks that are 1000-2000 meters taller than the surrounding area. You wouldn't even have to dig down for god's sake! Just straight into a mountain to essential invulnerability.

All the pieces are there it requires the unsupported assumption that Iran is insane to believe they didn't bother. Furthermore before all the saber rattling there were a number of admissions made by various government sources that it was simply impossible.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Who needs to penetrate anything?

If Clinton can put a cruise missile up a Camel's butt from several hundred miles away I would think that they could hit your hypothetical tunnel.  :)

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True because Iranians never heard of curves

Seriously, what the hell? You think the Iranians are so stupid that they put a straight line tunnel that leads directly to their nuclear program materials? Maybe with a big neon sign outside that says "SHOOT HERE"? And of course they wouldn't have any pesky doors or complicated technology like that.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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So what you're saying is if we

cannot destroy all nuclear facilities, we should not destroy any. If nothing is done, then Iran will complete it's development of nuclear weapons. We are helpless, we have to allow that to happen and then live with it.

The case has been made here and elsewhere that Iran was and is now the bigger threat to instability in the region than Iraq, so going into Iraq was a mistake. Well here is a chance to do something about Iran.

name the enemy, win the war

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Iran is nowhere near nuclear

that is just propaganda.

The al-Queda element in Pakistan that is destabilizing the region is a much more serious threat than Iran. Because Pakistan has nuclear technology and bin Laden's al-Queda group is in the nearby hills..

There is a revolt inside the military and the Pentagon against attacking Iran. An unnamed commander stated that if you think we are having difficulties in Iraq, if we go to war with Iran you can multiply our difficulties by 100.

It is the economy, stupid.

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You are right

What will Iran gain from using nuclear weapons--if they use it US will bomb them
back to the stone age?

The only danger is every country would want a nuclear weapon and there would be an arms race.

But it seems credible to me that Iran would want nuclear power as there is even long lines of gasoline in Iran because they dont refine their gasoline themselves.

Even in 2003, many including me believed that invading Iraq and a Iraq Democracy will ensure Iran and and iranian type theocracy win--because 66% of Iraqis are Shiites who are close to Iran. Thus we just have to live with a stronger Iran as a consequence of our invading Iraq.

The problem with Iraq is we have policy makers who saw dollars in their decision to invade Iraq. And they were proven right. I dont think it was even about stable oil supplies--but the ability to control the price of OIL. And the contracts. Just see how much profits Oil Companies have now.

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Why can't the Iranians build more oil

refineries.? They have the oil, they have the money, isn't that alot easier than building nuclear energy plants?

name the enemy, win the war

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you have to wonder

if it's due to sanctions and not being able to get the materials, or maybe they don't have the money ($?$) or if its a bouycott, because Halliburton wants that contract. Just guessing, however.

Some Iranians take pride that they are one of the few nations that have not bowed down to US (Israeli) imperialism, and though they would like to trade, and deal, they are worried that the US will humiliate them in some way. They have reached out in some ways, allowing real coke to be sold in Tehran, but that was in '02. I doubt if feelings are as warm now, among the leaders, since the US keeps pocking sticks.

These are just my opinions based on what I read. So that and a dime will get you five cents.

It is the economy, stupid.

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what sanctions and what boycott

the sanctions have been in effect for the last half a year. Iran had 20-30 years to build refineries before that and the sanctions today have nothing to do with preventing regular materials from reaching Iran.

Maybe some investigation before trying to blame others?

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Not sure why--maybe they need foreign help

But that also goes with the US. Why dont we build more refineries so that the prices of gasoline will go down?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/31/AR200605...

Plenty of Oil, but Few Refineries for Iran
By BRIAN MURPHY
The Associated Press
Wednesday, May 31, 2006; 3:27 PM

TEHRAN, Iran -- Iran is flush with huge oil reserves and cash, but a refinery shortage leaves it heavily dependent on imported gasoline and diesel to keeps its cars and trucks rolling.

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What Iran lacks are sufficient refineries to keep pace with its thirst for fuel. Iran is almost fully dependent on trucks to move goods. The number of cars is rising each year as drivers from the baby boom decade after the 1979 Islamic Revolution take the wheel.

Iran imports more than 40 percent of its gasoline and diesel needs. It comes mostly from the Middle East but also from as far away as Venezuela.

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Just to be clear

"To put a stop to possible sanctions, we are going to continue working with the agency and our diplomatic efforts will continue unabated," Hosseini added.

Foreign ministers of the United States, Russia, China, Germany, France and Britain asked Solana to hold more talks with Iran's nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, while the IAEA tries to clear up doubts about past Iranian nuclear activities.

The decision to make another stab at the European Union-led diplomacy while brandishing the threat of fresh sanctions if it fails reflected a compromise among the major powers."

Rueters So. Africa

The world community is favoring diplomacy. After the US track record in Iraq no one is thrilled about repeating recent history. As in making false claims of nuclear threats as a ruse to go to War.

Considering how intertwined the world economies are these days, and the continually weakening dollars, the US should think twice and thrice before acting rashly.

China, Russia, the UK and Germany are urging the US to slow down and ushered a postponement on further actions by the UN, on sanctioning Iran until November. The world has seen this play book before.

It is the economy, stupid.

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If Iran wants to go nuclear

there's not a damn thing we can do to stop them. That's simply the reality. If out military was not worn down and out population fatigued from the Iraq war we could threaten a land war. Not a great idea but we could try it.

As it is we can;t do that. Nor can we take out the facilities strictly using an air campaign (air power is nowhere near as useful as people like to pretend- It's fantastic for supporting ground troops but on it's own it's pretty weak, witness the latest Israel-Lebanon fracas).

We can of course launch an air attack anyway but what's the point of that? We know it can't succeed and it will still incur all of the negatives.

If nothing is done, then Iran will complete it's development of nuclear weapons.

Most likely yes. But the big point is- AND? We already have, what, seven or eight nations in the nuclear club. Many of those nations have histories of being far more belligerent than Iran (notably us, Pakistan, India, Russia and the Israelis).

SO in both cases this situation is being demagogued. Iran is not a mortal threat. Nor is there much of anything we can do about the situation anyway (unless we want to start talking about a nuclear first strike genocidal attack).

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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He is a legend in his own mind!

And you won't be able to inject the reality of the situation beyond his protective mental cocoon. 

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Under US watch in Iraq----

--civil war worsened

--ethnic cleansing continue unabated

--Al Queda group increase in numbers

Then why are we there if we cannot control these

---How will countries fear the might of US military if US cannot control Iraq

Thus we should leave. Iraq just makes US might look bad.

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Interesting look at the surge, MIT professor, Michael Greenstone

and highlighted on Steven Levitt's Freakonomics blog.

 

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/15/is-the-surge-working-ask-the-data-not-the-politicians/

 

So how is the surge going according to Greenstone?

He finds the answer is mixed.

On at least one dimension, there is strong evidence of progress. The data clearly suggest that deaths of civilians in Baghdad have fallen, and there is no evidence that the crackdown in Baghdad has shifted violence to the rest of the country.

Coalition troop fatalities have been stable since the surge, which in some ways signifies progress since they were on a steady upward trend prior to the surge.

The surge does not seem to have helped in other dimensions such as the amount of oil produced or hours of electricity in Baghdad.

The most interesting part of Greenstone’s paper is his analysis of the pricing of Iraqi government debt. The Iraq government has issued bonds in the past. These entitle the owner of the bond to a stream of payments over a set period of time, but only if the government does not default on the loan. If Iraq completely implodes, it is highly unlikely that these bonds will be paid off. How much someone would pay for the rights to that stream of payments depends on their estimate of the probability that Iraq will implode.

The bond data, unlike the other sources he examines, tell a clear story: the financial markets say the surge is not working. Since the surge started, the market’s estimate of the likelihood of default by the Iraqi government has increased by 40 percent.

I have a few thoughts after reading Greenstone’s work:

1. This paper shows how good economic analysis can contribute in a fundamental way to public policy. Anyone who reads Greenstone’s article will recognize that it is careful and thorough. It is even-handed and apolitical. It combines state-of-the-art data analysis techniques with economic logic (e.g., using market prices to draw conclusions about how things are going).

2. Top economists like Greenstone virtually never write papers like this. The simple reason is that this sort of work is not rewarded in our profession. Academic economists are judged by the papers they publish in peer-reviewed journals. The lag time between submission to these journals and publication is often two or more years. By that time, no one will be interested in the surge, so editors won’t want to publish the paper. Consequently, good economists don’t think it is worth their while to do topical work like this.

3. Instead, this sort of analysis tends to be done by bad economists, or economists on the payroll of special interests. These reports might appear informative, but instead are often pure propaganda. To outsiders, it is difficult to determine what is careful analysis like Greenstone has produced versus the usual junk.

4. The internet can potentially solve both problems (2) and (3) above, leading to an increased supply of good, timely analysis. If people like Greenstone can immediately get their findings into the public debate through the internet, it gives a real purpose (not just an academic one) to doing the work. In addition, there are now online peer-reviewed academic journals that have greatly sped the time from submission to publication, potentially increasing the academic payoff to someone like Greenstone. With many respected economists now blogging, there is also a vehicle for these folks to weigh in on the quality of policy-related economic writings — like I am doing in this blog post.

A full link to his paper is provided on the site.

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