Friday OT

It's Friday. And Gore won . Hopefully the Supreme Court doesn't strip him of his Nobel prize too (jokes people, kind of).

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Jews "need to be perfected"

and "convert to Christianity" says the always embarrassing emblem of the Republican party and author of If Democrats Had Any Brains, They Would Be Republicans, Ann Coulter . The irony is too much.

Boy, when will this lady learn that she needs to let her brain work faster than her mouth, not the other way around?

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It's interesting, with the recent brouhaha regarding

Michelle Malkin going after the 12 year old kid & his family, I've seen several sites compare her to Ann Coulter's sctick. They all seem to agree that Ann does it for the attention & money. She believes in her cause but she doesn't wear it as her skin. That's her business and generating "attention" only increases her public persona. I'd kinda agree. I'm so happy her new (just released) book is tanking though. Maybe we'll all see it remaindered by Christmas.

Michelle on the other hand really believes that she is someone and that what she thinks and says OUGHT to count for more because of "the important person" she is.

In your dreams Michelle. To most of us, your a b**ch. To most of us, Ann Coulter is a bullimic air head who knows how to push buttons.

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I am away so not much time

but the Gore win is reflective of the joke Nobel Prize is.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I was just going to comment on that.

The credibility of the Nobel Prize committee has taken such a nose dive in the past few years that this is just the final nail in the coffin of what used to be a serious and credible honor.  Anyone who would give Al Gore a prize for a movie that now has legally been declared as partisan propaganda and has noted serious flaws with the main points is just pathetically biased.

With this level of bias on the committee no one can possibly take them seriously. 

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Beh

a movie that now has legally been declared as partisan propaganda

 Not in this country, bud.  Why do you right wingers always want to turn over American sovereignty to foreign courts?

:-) 

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Heh.

Doesn't Justice Stevens think that this is a good idea (using foreign law in US interpretations)?  Are you saying he is wrong for doing so?

You guys always want it both ways! 

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You want it both ways, not me!

A justice merely considering foreign laws in their own arguments does not give up our sovereignty.  In fact, it frees justices up to take in additional information, which could be of value.  Justices are also free to reject foreign laws and the conclusions of foreign courts when making decisions.

Saying Gore's movie has been "legally delcared partisan propaganda" because of action in the British legal system is clearly ridiculous, unless you're a Brit.  Would you say that "handguns have legally been banned" is an accurate statement for an American to make in America?  Are you willing to bestow your blessing on an American application of this British law?

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Pray tell

in this globalized world, how can you make decisions for the US without considering foreign laws. The US is being forced to deal with other nations on terms they might not want to.

See the Law of the Sea Treaty. Reviled by Reagan, now pursued by his old supporters.

It is the economy, stupid.

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It'd almost be worth it to surf right wing sites today

just to see the gnashing of teeth and rendering of garments over Al Gore's Nobel Prize.

Where's Rush's Nobel Prize? Uhh....sorry. They don't give out Nobel Prizes for frequenting Dominican Republic prostitutes. Especially when you have to use someone elses Viagra prescription to get there.

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Fantastic concert on Wednesday -

the better half treated me to tickets to see Regina Spektor, who I love. If you're not already familiar with her, you may have heard her 'breakthrough' (i.e. they play it on the radio) single "Fidelity ".

Here's a personal favorite: "Après moi". The middle section is in Russian - it's a quote from a Boris Pasternak poem:

(Ender - you're welcome to correct this. It's not easy!)

Февраль. Достать чернил и плакать!
Писать о феврале навзрыд,
Пока грохочущая слякоть
Весною черною горит.

February. Grab the ink and cry!
Write about February, sobbing,
While the roaring slush burns
In the black of spring.

Tying it back to politics: she took a nice little swipe at Fox news in the middle of one of her songs. Shooting fish in a barrel, I know.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Yeah I've heard her before and liked her stuff

As for your translation I'd make a slight correction:

While the roaring slush burns
With the black of the spring.

as in the slush portends the spring? I think...

Thanks for the video - very nice!

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Makes sense -

I couldn't figure out the sense of весною here (especially since it's February), so I scanned a few online translations to see what other people thought. All of them had "in spring", so I went with the crowd. Such a sheep!

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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RE: Such a sheep!

Hey, you're in good company with Reid and Pelosi then, just ask Kos and the ACLU.

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The bad thing about Gore winning

is that so many people - even people I otherwise respect - are forgetting all the reasons progressives disliked Gore when he ran for president in 2000: he's been replaced with this image of Saint Gore, the infallible. While his work the last few years has been extremely laudable (especially during Katrina), I wonder what would happen if he did decide to run for president? Would progressives be able to match the disconnect between his policies that were unlikeable in 2000 and his iconic image in 2007? Especially if, say, his policy agenda were closer to Sen. Clinton's than to the other candidates'?

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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All the rumors and unsourced quotes from anonymous advisors

say he's not going to run.

It's so late in the game that I think it's unlikely he'll run. Why put yourself back into the meatgrinder when you can preach from your comfortable platform. He's probably more influential on the issues he cares about now than he could be as President -- I haven't seen any indication that he wants to grapple with the mess in Iraq, social security, etc.

He's already winning on climate change; moderate Republicans like Arnold in CA are embracing reasonable efforts to curtail emissions. The Peace Prize is nice but I predict he'll continue to get recognition in the coming years, since he's positioned himself as the popular face of global warming.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I don't think he will either,

but it doesn't make many any less disappointed in his selective canonization. :) It boggles me to see people railing against establishment Democrats, then dreaming wistfully of a Gore candidacy. He does put his money where his mouth is on the environment, but foreign policy? Domestic policy? Economic policy? Sheesh.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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The Gore Paradox

I would have preferred Gore as President over Bush any day of the year.

Yet Bush's ascendency, has exposed the ugly pus that is the culmination of decades of effort to institute the conservative ideology, that would have festered and grown under another Democratic President.

My hope is that the suffering of our nation's institutions while conservatives have tried to implement their dream of creative destruction of our government to a for profit system will be revealed as unsustainable and unworkable and a wake up call for our democracy.

That's my hope anyway.

ON the canonization of Gore and selective amneisa, it is human nature to look for heroes.

It is the economy, stupid.

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missliberties!

Yet Bush's ascendency, has exposed the ugly pus that is the culmination
of decades of effort to institute the conservative ideology, that would
have festered and grown under another Democratic President.

Whoa!  A Gore presidency would have been festering ugly pus?  Are you hinting that perhaps the Bush Presidency is a good thing in the long run-- that somehow the awfulness of the Bush Admin will cause the fever to break, and we can move forward with a True Progressive agenda? 

 

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Yes.

Not the Gore presidency as the infection, so much as conservatives feeding off of it as the opposition party and the viral growth would have continued, as it did with Clinton.

Not sure if a true progressive agenda will emerge, but a change is on the way. In crises there is opportunity. I just hope that brilliant progressives get that this is the time to come up with some a vision for the future. We need a different way of doing business on a global scale...... free and fair trade, transparency in govt, and hemp as a source of biofuel....:)

Yes I am hinting that in the long run the Bush presidency will be the straw the broke the conservative camel's back. and therefore a good thing. The GOP is presently in a state of massive disarray thanks to the Bush presidency. It is something the dems would have never been able to accomplish. No more Jack Abramoff. No more Christian majority, Karl Rove in hiding. No more Tom Delay. No more dreams of a hundred year permanent republican majority and the end of the K street project.

And it looks like the neo-cons are next in line to fall.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Hmm, interesting theory, but I'm not in your camp on this

I'd say that 99 times out of 100, the better President in the short term for a particular point in history is also the better President in the long term for that time.

And Bush has been so bad and so destructive, that it is almost unthinkable that we will be better off in the long run with him than without him-- there is so much grount to make up, fiscally, infrastructure-wise, civil-liberties-wise, and prestige-wise. It's almost like trying to claim that you're in a better postion to win a game of Monopoly after you've landed on your opponent's Boardwalk with a hotel on it.

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Bush Presidency = Godzilla Rampage

Yes, it is true that without the rampage, we would never have discovered that our infrastructure can't resist nuclear powered breath, but I'm could have skipped the lesson.

I do understand MLs point to some degree though. Had Kerry won in 2004 by just a little, then it would have been the 49% who had voted against him that would have blamed Iraq on the Left not following through rather than the 28% dead enders.

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I think we agree skymutt

I would have preferred x times a million that Bush had never been allowed to reign.

These power mongers shoved their way in, using Bush, and the ideologies that put him there have self destructed. What I am saying is the only thing that could have destroyed this beast, is the beast falling on it's own sword. Otherwise it would continued to grow and feed off the political hate fest that conservatives use to manipulate the body politic against democrats..... the populist labeling ie: baby killers, and all the rest of it.

I consider these right wing idealogues that put Bush into power a cancer on our society and the world....... ! I don't know if it would have been cured if it hadn't been revealed for what it truly is.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Further acknowledgement

for my view (sort of)

The West It's Own Worst Enemy

These idiots that claim talking to enemies is appeasement and capitulation, thumping their chests as if they are macho, have caused an enormous mess that the wolrd at large resents deeply and that many in the US are sick to death of.

This poison has not been generated by the teaching of Sayyid Qutb and his Al-Qaeda fanatics, but in the overreaction to them. After sowing their mayhem they, and not Afghanistan and Iraq, should have been targeted and eliminated. The belligerence and ineptitude of western policy over the past decade has turned nobodies into heroes of the Muslim world. The most incompetent period of western diplomacy since the 1930s has left the West hated and cities everywhere at the mercy of any Muslim misfit with a sack of explosive.

The bolded last sentence says it all. Europe does not say 'thank you' to the US for creating a festering swamp of instability and an unparalleled refugee crises, in the Middle East.

The best thing we can do for our foreign policy is to lift up the poor here in the US and around the world, and stop giving money to corrupt leaders of third world nations, so that hedge funders can create invisible and untraceable capital for 'investment strategies' that are wholly opaque and not constructive.

Global economic policy should NOT be ignore laws,
bribe world leaders, get rich and have a rising tide that lifts all yachts. Let's not leave out the rowboats and the canoes.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Oh yeah

and lest we forget who Al Gore picked to be his running mate. Joe 'Bomb Iran Now' Lieberman.

It is the economy, stupid.

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People also liked that he ripped Bush early and often

I appreciated that, especially the 3 "major" speeches he made on the Bush presidency, which got into a lot of detail about the abuse of power and incompetence of ths administration in very strong terms.  I also had a very favorable opinion of him from his concession speech in 2000, which I thought was very classy.

And don't forget Iraq.  He also he was out in front on being against Iraq before that was popular.  

Plus the fact that he was a big part of the Clinton Administration, and there are a few of us out here who like Bill pretty well :-)

All that being said, the Gore hysteria is silly, considering that he has shown absolutely no interest in running.  I'd support him if he jumped in, but I'm perfectly comfortable with supporting someone else if he doesn't.

I also agree with your general point that I don't understand why some people who are nuts for Gore are nuts for Gore.  Gore doesn't seem to be a great fit for some of the fringe-left anti-establishment types that think that Bush is just the natural extension of Clinton.

 

 

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in the realm of absurd - look at this picture

Dancing Woman

and tell me which way she is turning and what foot she is standing on.

The article with the full size pic is here and they claim it has something to do with the left brain vs the right brain.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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She's turning

clockwise and standing on her left foot. Okay now I am going to click the link.

It is the economy, stupid.

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apparently some are seeing it

counter-clockwise and right foot... I don't see how that is possible.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I am seeing both

At first I saw right foot/counter. I looked away, then she reversed herself. I thought it was a trick so I stared at it for three minutes, but it remained left/clock-wise. Then I went for some coffee and now she is back to right/counter.

Weird. I can't explain how or why I see it either way, but it looks just as real and fine both ways.

Anybody else seeing it differently?

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You are multi-talented!

I can't make her flip.

It is the economy, stupid.

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I'm not trying

(She's back to right/counter now for me). It just happnes when I look away for a few minutes, but thanks for the compliments anyway. :-)

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Weird

She actually flipped for me while I was looking at it. That was a bit freaky.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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I got her to flip

Originally I was left-foot clockwise, but after a period of squinting, she switched.

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I see both, as well.

In fact, if I focus on the shadow of her lowered leg, she's just moving back and forth instead of circular!

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Focusing on the shadow

of her lowered leg is the easiest way to make me switch it back and forth.

If I cover up her body and just try to switch the direction of the shadow's movement (as you said it is going back and forth so the switch is not too difficult here) then slowly raise my hand to get her body going in the same direction, it can be switched back and forth fairly easily.

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Dumb.

This is stupid, because it is so stupid.

But I like the graphic.

I thought there was going to be fascinating in depth article. But no.....

It is the economy, stupid.

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That is bizarre

I chose clockwise. Looks clockwise to me. Figures I'd be in the minority, again.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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I can't make my mind concieve

that she is turning counter clockwise. It's not happening for me.

The only good thing is the list.

I am left handed.

That was dumb Ender.....

It is the economy, stupid.

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hehe well I don't understand how

that stupid article says that most people will see it counter-clockwise..

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Well, one way to look at it

(groans) is to remember that most people are probably not like us ;}

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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I also see clockwise, although

I forced myself to see cc when I tried it last night. My wife was also cw.

They discussed this at the Forvm and there were a lot of initial cw there. Also tips for how to make it switch.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Doesn't make any sense,

and the criteria don't line up with any process of interpreting the picture that I can see. If someone wrote a good, scholarly essay on the pic and why certain people see it one way rather than the other, it might be worth taking a look at it. But the way it's presented here is a little goofy.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Agreed

I think it comes down to the right brain (aligned with the left eye I guess?) is favored for some people making them favor the right qualities, and vice versa, but these are kind of sweeping generalizations from just a picture.

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For the first time in 20 years

In my neck of the woods, a Colorado Republican State Rep swithced parties.

A Warm Welcome

State Rep. Debbie Stafford, a longtime Republican known for her passionate arguments on behalf of abused animals and foster kids, ditched her party Thursday to join majority Democrats.

Stafford called her decision to leave the party "agonizing" and said it
came from her "gut sense of right and wrong.

Yeah!

She had not been happy with Republican pressure exerted to influence her votes.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Now that's funny! (n/t)

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Rush Auctioning off Harry Reid's Letter...

Up for auction is the original letter signed by 41 Democrat senators. This historic document may well represent the first time in the history of America that this large a group of U.S. senators attempted to demonize a private citizen by lying about his views. As such, it is a priceless memento of the folly of Harry Reid and his 40 senatorial co-signers.

Original Harry Reid/Rush Limbaugh Smear Letter

Now that's the way to turn it around.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Leave it to Rush

to find a way of making a profit off agreeing that those who do not want to be in Iraq are phony soldiers.

That's almost a s laughable as when O'Reilly had 'Factor Happy Holiday ' material for sale on FOX's web-site during his 'War on Chrsitmas' tirade.

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Umm, 100% of the receipts go to ...

Marine Corps -- Law Enforcement Foundation

Rush doesn't make a penny off of it, but rather he is using it to support:

Scholarship assistance to children of Marines and Federal law enforcement personnel whose parent dies on duty.

Gosh, what a bast**d he is.  Raising money for the children of Marines and law enforcement.

... agreeing that those who do not want to be in Iraq are phony soldiers.

What do you actually mean by this statement?  You are well aware that Rush never claimed that Real Soldiers (i.e. those that actually went to Iraq and Afghanistan) are phony.

 

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Ok,

I'm glad he is doing something worthwhile with it.

If you notice the way I phrased my sentence, I clearly and carefully stick to the interpretation that I argued and that you mostly conceded or were silent about.

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I think "conceded" on my part is a bit strong.

I think what I "conceded" is that I can understand that someone as a listener might get that impression, but I have not conceded (a) that Rush ever meant what that interpretation implies, nor (b) that I think just because someone might get that impression that it somehow trumps the actual speaker clarifying his statement publicly.

Fair enough? 

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Side note:

Gore is donating his winnings too. Spreadin' the word on GCC.

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lying? You're defending Rush calling US Soldiers

that don't agree with him PHONY?

Where's the lie? That Rush didn't say it? He did. Or are you gonna take us back to last weeks threads.

PLEASE.....do we have to go there again?

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Yes Lie outright even...

...and there is absolutely nothing to argue about if you think any differently you're a imbecile of the highest order...Period!

You're the one who thinks playing semantic word games is a gotcha point for your side... small minds...

You're also the one that seems to have a problem and wanting a re-tread not I.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Please pull your head out of your ass.

And while your at it....try being polite jerk.

Rush was shown to be a lying hypocrite. Normally, I like what you have to say. What's crawled up your ass today? Oh...I see...It's that head of yours.

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That's priceless

..coming from you

You alway have some smarta** remark or left wing TalkingPoint™ to my posts

You could have just taken the original post in the jokingly funny way it was intended... but no! you had to call me out because someone convinced you that Rush wasn't taken out of context...

These same far left loons who have shown Rush to be a lying hypocrite have zero credibility with me. So your assertion that this is somehow settled is ludicrous.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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I don't know what your deal is today.

You're comming off as kind of harsh. We've all seen the video and read the transcripts. I know Rush tried turning it around saying he was only talking about one guy, but it's been shown that he didn't try that angle for several minutes and a whole different conversation than when he mad the statement.

Rush's a hater. Jeez, just listen to the guy. He slimes anyone he doesn't agree with.

Now your issues.....I can't peg. You aren't hater and usually you are conservative but very thoughtful about it.

And if you read my post I was surprised and asked you if you meant it. Instead of saying "I like Rush and was saying that in a jovial joking way" you lit into me.

It's OK though. It's not like we're next door neighbors. What really set me off was that we had gone through that whole thing for DAYS last week with several of us.

Please forgive my rashness. I don't mind that we all don't agree.

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Let me try this again.

I'm so sorry you feel that way. You see, I just don't see it from your point of view.

Possibly I could be mistaken. The reruns do show that Rush did indeed call all soldiers who don't agree with the current Iraq policy as phony, but maybe I'm missing something.

Maybe you could enlighten us.....

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If you don't think...

..."phony soldiers" or as ABC News anchor Charlie Gibson put while introducing a segment reported by Brian Ross regarding a number of "phony veterans" now under investigation for falsely claiming to have served in wartime, is a real phenomenon then I couldn't possibly enlighten you!

this

calling all soldiers who don't agree with the current Iraq policy as phony

Is completely fabricated spin...

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Here here!

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RE: PLEASE.....do we have to go there again?

No, not at all as you have been summarily debunked on this point. Going back and rehashing the material would be useless as you don't seem capable of discerning the truth. I know what you wish that Rush had said, but you have zero evidence that he actually said what you claim. You faux definition of the group being referenced by the term "Phony Soldiers" has not basis in fact.

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Well, If Rush would quit doctoring* tapes and transcripts...

perhaps the truth would be easier to discern...

*The use of the word "doctoring" to describe Rush's tape and transcript editing practices has been assented to by Ender, a certified red-bar, here.

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Please provide a detailed definition of what you mean

by "doctoring" so that I may properly assess and weigh in on this point.

While we still "allow" Ender to use the red bar he has disavowed any association with the major political party most closely associated with his conervative ideology. As such any concessions he makes cannot be properly attributed to the majority of people who would use a red bar. :)

In this sense, Ender is sort of a rbINO (red bar in name only). As such any official red bar concessions must first be accepted by the other red bars on the site. I believe that a caucus is in order amongst the red bars in order to determine whether Ender's concession is, in fact, reflective of the entire red bar community. We'll get right on that for ya. :)

Besides, I think you are attributing far too much to his actual statement.

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Give it a rest GR.

Are we gonna argue whether or not Rush is a lying blowhard for another week? C'mon. Accept that he's a big fat idiot who likes to screw Dominican Republic prostitutes. That reminds me....what is the Dominican Repulic know for in the western hemisphere regarding their prostitutes? Hmmmm...Oh yea! The AGE of their prostitutes.

But by all means, you keep defending the guy. I'm sure he'll SKATE into heaven when his time comes.

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I merely defer to Ender on the usage of the word "doctor"...

...nothing more.  I attached no special import to most of his actual statement, which I tend to disagree with.

as for a definition of doctoring, how about this?

doctor : verb: "alter and make impure, as with the intention to deceive"

Ender is sort of a rbINO (red bar in name only)

Heh-- I'll be sure to let him know that he's not a true red bar!  Maybe you should have a caucus to decide who is allowed in the red bar caucus.  I think a rbINO purge is in order!  (I think sandbox has wavered on a couple of red bar issues too, make sure to give his record a close examination-- he may not be a True Patriot).

 

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The Lefts New Hero!

Former Top General in Iraq Faults Bush Administration

In a sweeping indictment of the four-year effort in Iraq, the former top American commander called the Bush administration’s handling of the war incompetent and warned that the United States was “living a nightmare with no end in sight.”

Oh goody we get to hear the never ending "Lt. Gen. Sanchez speaking truth to power meme!!!

Btw - seems like more sour grapes to me... and Oh yeah way to control your troops and show great leadership as commander at Abu Ghraib...General

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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The right's new pariah!

 Oh goody we get to hear the never ending "Lt. Gen. Sanchez speaking truth to power meme!!!

Probably, but you seem to be blaming the messenger.  Your anger at the left in this case is misdirected.  Nobody on the left makes these Genarals speak out against the Bush Administration and incompetent civilian leadership. 

Oh yeah way to control your troops and show great leadership as commander at Abu Ghraib...General

Have you ever expressed this sentiment before today?  Sounds like

sour grapes

on your part to me... 

 

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Not!

Probably, but you seem to be blaming the messenger. Your anger at the left in this case is misdirected. Nobody on the left makes these Generals speak out against the Bush Administration and incompetent civilian leadership.

I not angry in the slightest so again... you're wrong!

I expect this from x-generals pimping a book! I think it's hilarious!!!

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Hilarious.....

Read this and tell me if you still think it is hilarious.

You might be quite surprised, especially the evaluation of the press.

Doesn't it take true courage to reasses past actions and speak out to change course, in spite of the prospect of the powers that be using enormous political pressure to silence dissent.

It is the economy, stupid.

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I do think its hilarious

It's hilarious that the first half of the speech was a harsh rebuking of the press which somehow got left on the cutting-room-floor... - which after all was the point of my post

Captian Ed observed it best

"It seems that half of the message retired General Richard Sanchez intended to deliver missed the cut at most newsrooms, and with most bloggers. . . . Why? Well, it turns out that Sanchez considered his first target the media itself, which he blames for a large part of the problems he sees in Iraq . . . . Given that, it seems highly ironic that the journalists covering the story attempted to cover up the acidic, biting, and mostly accurate criticisms of their own performance in this war while giving front-page treatment to Sanchez' criticisms of the political structure at the same time. If Sanchez has such credibility and standing to bring this kind of criticism to bear on Washington, why didn't the Post and other news agencies give the same level of exposure to his media criticisms as well? He basically accuses them of cynically selling out the soldiers to defeat American efforts to win the war, and made sure that those accusations came first before his assessment of the political failures, but you'd never know that from the Post."

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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on the other hand

We Can also blame the media for their lack of questioning that got us into Iraq.

I mean there were plenty of us screaming about it, that the facts were wrong, that is was a propaganda push etc.

I hope the press does a better job of asking questions before they try and tell us how wonderful dropping bombs on Iran would be. I think that is part of the General's message.

There have been rumors that inside the Pentagon and the Military there is a faction of heretics speaking out against attacking Iran.

I hope the press heeds the good generals advice and does a better job in the future.

You really have to read what Sanchez says to get the whole meaning.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Someone has to address reality

Seriously.

It is difficult to see how you can call yourself a patriot, and not have America's interests at heart.

Putting on blinders and being a cheerleader for purely partisan reasons is what got us so deep into this mess.

And it really IS a mess and we need to figure out how the hell to deal with it.

Ten years to recuperate the army. How does that serve US national interests.

Wake up and help solve the problem instead of always always always pointing fingers at 'the left'. The bogey man didn't do this. Apologists for authoritarians serving an ideology did.

It is the economy, stupid.

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The reality here is...

... the left is going to use the x-general, and his sensational shtick to gin-up book interest, to try and further their agenda.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Ridiculous

You turn the left into a bogey man which it is not. The bogey man is Iraq and the failure to execute