Unserious CNN
At least CNN is consistent. At the Democratic debate, CNN was faced with planted Democratic operatives and activists asking questions, and at the Republican debate, there were Democratic operatives and activists asking questions. At the very minimum, CNN is guilty of false advertising. They promised one thing...
"There are quite a few things you might describe as Democratic 'gotchas,' and we are weeding those out," Mr. Bohrman said. CNN wants to ensure that next Wednesday’s Republican event is "a debate of their party."
...and delivered something else . Michelle Malkin may be a partisan pundit, but her reporting on the questioners was factual. Borhman also said this
:
The debate format remains the same as it did for Democrats in July. CNN's political team will review the submissions and choose about 40 videos that can be used Wednesday. David Bohrman, CNN's Washington bureau chief and the mastermind behind the format, said he heard from two campaigns - he won't name which - expressing concerns about the selection process and the perceived liberal bias of CNN, dubbed by many conservatives as the "Clinton News Network."
"Some of the Republican candidates don't trust us. They're not completely convinced that we're going to wean out the Democratic gotcha questions," Bohrman said. "But I've been very clear from the beginning: This will be a Republican debate, and the goal is to let Republican voters see their candidates."
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John Fund puts it in perspective :
Now it appears that an amazing number of partisan figures posed many of the 30 questions at the GOP debate all the while pretending to be CNN’s advertised "undecided voters." Yasmin from Huntsville, Alabama turns out to be a former intern with the Council on American Islamic Relations, a group highly critical of Republicans. Blogger Michelle Malkin has identified other plants, including declared Obama supporter David Cercone, who asked a question about the pro-gay Log Cabin Republicans. A questioner who asked a hostile question about the pro-life views of GOP candidates turned out to be a diehard John Edwards supporter (and a slobbering online fan of Mr. Cooper). Yet another "plant" was LeeAnn Anderson, an activist with a union that has endorsed Mr. Edwards.
It seems more "plants" are being uprooted with each passing day. Almost a third of the questioners seem to have some ties to Democratic causes or candidates. Another questioner worked with Democratic Senator Dick Durbin’s staff. A former intern with Democratic Rep. Jane Harman asked a question about farm subsidies. A questioner who purported to be a Ron Paul supporter turns out to be a Bill Richardson volunteer. David McMillan, a TV writer from Los Angeles, turns out to have several paens to John Edwards on his YouTube page and has attended Barack Obama fundraisers.
Given CNN’s professed goal to have "ordinary Americans" ask questions at their GOP debate, how likely is that it was purely by accident that so many of the videos CNN selected for use were not just from partisans, but people actively hostile to the GOP’s messages and candidates?
This sorry episode goes beyond incompetence and well into the realm of media bias. This is CNN, and this is the mainstream media we have . Every picture tells a story, don't it:

According to Gallup , if you're a Democrat, mainstream news coverage seems about right, maybe even a little conservative, which explains why so many Democrats are so clueless about media bias. Republicans and independents have a decidedly different opinion about the way the news is being covered. So who's right? I wrote about this at Tacitus during the 2004 campaign, where Pew Research
came out with a poll on national and local media, and here are the self-described political views of national media:

The facts are that 36% of national print media described themselves as liberal and only 8% as conservative. National broadcast media has roughly the same percentage of conservatives, but a lower percentage of liberals (20%). This assumes, of course, that these self-descriptions are reasonably accurate. It could be very well be true that those who think of themselves as "moderate" are really left-of-center, or vice versa. Perhaps a more telling measure is to follow the money , or put it more accurately, politicial contributions to candidates:

MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.
Quite a stunning contrast. Of course, this only covers a fraction of all mainstream journalists, so is there another measure? Yes. There's that UCLA study :

Here's a description of their methodology:
In this paper we estimate ADA (Americans for Democratic Action) scores for major media outlets such as the New York Times, USA Today, Fox News’ Special Report, and all three network television news shows. Our estimates allow us to answer such questions as “Is the average article in the New York Times more liberal than the average speech by Tom Daschle?” or “Is the average story on Fox News more conservative than the average speech by Bill Frist?” To compute our measure, we count the times that a media outlet cites various think tanks and other policy groups. We compare this with the times that members of Congress cite the same think tanks in their speeches on the floor of the House and Senate. By comparing the citation patterns we construct an ADA score. As a simplified example, imagine that there were only two think tanks, one liberal and one conservative. Suppose that the New York Times cited the liberal think tank twice as often as the conservative one. Our method asks: What is the typical ADA score of members of Congress who exhibit the same frequency (2:1) in their speeches? This is the score that we would assign to the New York Times. Our results show a strong liberal bias. All of the news outlets except Fox News’ Special Report and the Washington Times received a score to the left of the average member of Congress. Consistent with many conservative critics, CBS Evening News and the New York Times received a score far left of center. Outlets such as the Washington Post, USA Today, NPR’s Morning Edition, NBC’s Nightly News and ABC’s World News Tonight were moderately left. The most centrist outlets (but still left-leaning) by our measure were the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, CNN’s NewsNight with Aaron Brown, and ABC’s Good Morning America. Fox News’ Special Report, while right of center, was closer to the center than any of the three major networks’ evening news broadcasts. All of our findings refer strictly to the news stories of the outlets. That is, we omitted editorials, book reviews, and letters to the editor from our sample.
At CNN, Anderson Cooper and his crew are biased, either wittingly or unwittingly. The editors at Redstate are right. CNN's handling of the debate was unacceptable, there should be a do-over, and somebody should get sacked. They were so enthralled with General Kerr--a Hillary political operative--that they flew him to Florida (and about a dozen others) so he could ask his gays-in-the-military question in person. If they actually had a Republican on staff (and I seriously doubt they did), they would've known that this issue is peripheral at best to the party faithful. CNN's problem reminds me of something Jonah Goldberg wrote
over three years ago, not long after Dan Rather and Mary Mapes blew up their careers over forged memos:
I have discovered the solution to liberal media bias. What mainstream journalism needs are more stupid people.
Conservative critics of the journo-industrial complex might dismiss this advice as merely adding more jelly-beans to the jar. Liberal journalists would regard it as absurd, because surely it is their genius that makes them special. Why would the temple want any - much less, more - stupid priests?
Well, it turns out that having a few stupid people in the group makes the group smarter. I've long suspected this, but I found confirmation in James Surowiecki's new book, "The Wisdom of Crowds."
It works like this. Groups of experts tend to reinforce their own views, particularly because experts believe in the authority of experts, causing them to defer to the super-expert in the group. Stupid people are, to put it bluntly, too stupid to defer to smart people. Remember the story about the truck that got jammed in the tunnel because it was too tall? All the experts were stumped. But some kid yelled, "Let the air out of the tires," saving the day. This is essentially the moral of the fable of "The Emperor's New Clothes." Substitute kids with morons and you get the same thing.
We've all been in meetings where the token idiot says something absurd and everyone reflexively groans. But then someone says, "Wait a second, Lothar may be on to something." The utility of the muttonhead is that he's too dim to cotton on to the groupthink and therefore is more likely to raise unconventional ideas.
This, according to Surowiecki, is the value of diversity within groups. He doesn't dwell on the need for stupid people per se, but he's fairly persuasive that even the "smartest" groups of experts are often outsmarted by more diverse groups that boast members with far less impressive credentials. For example, Scott Page, a political scientist at the University of Michigan, ran a series of computer models pitting all-smart groups of agents against other groups of more diverse agents ranging from not-so-smart to smart. The group with the lower average intelligence was almost always better at solving problems than the smarter one.
The bulk of the Wisdom of Crowds is a defense of the collective intelligence of markets and the like (Surowiecki is a financial columnist for The New Yorker). But the example of media bias struck a chord with me from the beginning. I've never bought the more conspiratorial conservative theories about liberal media bias. I agree that it exists, I just don't think it's nearly as deliberate and conscious as some on the right think. Most liberal journalists I've known truly believe they are consummate professionals. And for that reason alone, a lot of biased coverage has to be the result of something other than deliberate plotting. That something else is liberal groupthink.
For example, my guess is that Dan Rather truly believes he fell for those forged documents because he was just trying to get a scoop. But no one at CBS raised the necessary objections because they were all eager to nail Bush. No one - not even an idiot - said, "Hey maybe we should take an extra week to make sure these things are real." Not even after their own consultants said the documents were iffier than a new "Rollecks" watch. If the target had been a Democrat, the usual safeguards would have kicked in.
CNN could have used a few of those safeguards.

Comments :
Two distinct questions
The first is whether individual members of the media lean liberal. The answer is clearly that on average yes, they do. The second question is whether their work is biased. This is much harder to demonstrate, and I don't find the ADA scores particularly useful towards addressing this question (mostly because they don't seem to evaluate the accuracy and scholarship of the various think-tanks).
As a contrasting example, members of the military tend to lean conservative
. This does not mean that the actions of and reports produced by the military are necessarily biased conservative.
In theory every news story (or military action/report) should be evaluated on its own merits, and judged based on comparison to neutral facts and studies accepted by experts. In this particular case CNN seems to have done a poor job screening the videos according to their own criteria.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
I don't see what CNN did as an example of
deliberate bias. I think it's an inadvertent bias that leads to poor taste and judgment....IOW, it makes them tone deaf and detached from real sensibilities.
As an examplem let's say you get a casual friend in an office grab bag for X-mas. You don't know a great deal about him and his many interests but you do know that he's Jewish and decide to dwell on that. So, in total tone-deafness, shallow well-meaning ignorance and poor taste, you decide to get him a Torah, a new beanie and plastic star of David to hang on his wall.
As you can figure, he will open the gift and fight to keep a smile and refrain from scratching his head in mild perplexity and disillusionment as he wonders why you think he would find this gift even remotely appealing.
THIS is the kind of bias CNN exhibits in the debates....on both sides. They go after dumb superficial narratives that don't really demonstrate good sense or evidence of having a clue.
lol
I like your example.
From a big picture standpoint, if Bird Dog can help get enough people to criticize CNN for sloppy journalism that they start refraining from trying to fit everything into their preconceived narratives, I'm all for it...
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
it's too true
CNN staff fit this mold....as do many, many others in the beltway dinner party crowd.
They play to shallow narrative conditioning.....OF THEIR OWN DOING!!!
They like to get people going about religion, social branding and casual stereo-types because it's fun and easy....and because they think we really care and think that way. I'm sorry, most don't.
The country is not a cross section of Focus on the Family vs. MoveOn....far, far from it.
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Yep, that's about right. The debates are for people who only casually follow politics. If you follow politics with any depth, the debates are cringeworthy-- on both sides.
skymutt: accept no substitutes!
CNN is simply tone deaf and incompetent
I see nothing devious.
Malkin's being an idiot and a paranoid hack as usual. I heard her yesterday on Spencer Hughes on Fox Radio. Even Spencer thought Malkin needed to take some prozac and calm the hell down.
These partisan hacks get so caught up in a biased lala land that they create that they lose the forest for the trees.
I see no problem with any question as long as it's relevant. I don't care who asks it.
The problem I had with CNN was not that some questions came from liberals....it was the particular questions they decided to use along with their propensity for worthless agitprop and drama.
Along those lines
is this from the Columbia Journalism Review:
qui tacet consentire
Another theory
The media is biased (in how they report) against the establishment. Since Republicans are in power, the media tends to criticize Republicans more. They are also biased (in how they report) in favor of controversy, and so they tend to nurture or even create controversy.
Go back to the Clinton era, or to the 2000 elections when Gore was repeatedly victimized
by spectacular media hackery, and it just doesn't look like the media consistently acted with a liberal bias.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
The media only cares about ratings and the money ratings
bring them.
The media likes a Circus and Soap Opera more than anything else because it sells itself. They don't have to advertise it or promote it. It sells itself and the media purveyer.
If this helps push the narrative of other powers that be....they'll go along with a wink and a nudge and a blind eye. Why else do you think the WaPo had a front page story yesterday saying Obama might be secretly muslim? Why do you think they spent so much time on the swift boat veterans? It sells them.
Now Malkin.......She's right up there with Pammy of Atlas Shruggs as far a nutcase.
This is a tired argument
Drag out some charts and polls showing how journalists are evil socialists.
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
Show us the charts that demonstrate the political leanings of the people who own the media. I wonder which way those folks lean?
qui tacet consentire
Yawn
Let's ignore the candidates, their answers, the issues and go after the media.
That way we don't have to talk about the candidates, their answers, or the issues. Instead its that damn librul media.
I see this do-over whining as just your typical bait and switch.
Look over here --->>>deriding Dan Rather, Hillary Clinton's operatives, the NYT, all the flashpoint buzzwords that the right so adores.
I'm only half stupid
Well what are their other choices?
Their candidates are made up of
crooks, incompetents and people with no principles.I mean, wonderful caring folks are just being mistreated by the mean ol' journalists.Why are these folks on the front page again?
It's okay if you are a Republican..
Also it's hilarious that suddenly Jack Murtha is the right's new best friend........ and honest man, telling the truth, limited to a few words taken out of context, whereas before he was a traitorous liar.
I swear..... the lengths these people go to stretching and distorting to fit everything into a neat little box.
Democrats having sex is a veneal sin. Republicans having sex is ...... just peachy.
Supply siders... They supply the lies, er I mean 'facts", and demand that you believe them.
++Good to 'see' you again, btw.
I'm only half stupid
The CNN debates, both Republican and Democratic...
...were poorly done, and the questions chosen were dumb. The partisan Democrats at Dailykos were every bit as pissed at the vapidity of the production of the Democratic CNN debate as RedState, etc. are at this obviously bungled Republican debate. So I can understand your disgust at CNN, but I doubt that Republicans were damaged with respect to Democrats because of this debate.
I don't doubt that journalists as a whole are more likely to be liberal than conservative. But of course we're not talking about the actions of the many thousands of small-time journalists working across the country, who doubtlessly lean liberal as your various studies suggest, but a cabal of a few hundred highly compensated, highly exposed talking heads and pundits-- Russert, Chris Matthews, Maureen Dowd, Margaret Carlson, et al... these people show bias, but it's not a liberal bias, but rather it's a bias towards whoever kisses up to them by giving them access and tell them all the juicy gossip on the beltway cocktail party circuit so that they can feel big and powerful and part of something important. They are far too cozy with the people they report on, and that's a huge problem.
This cabal of talking heads dominates political discourse and is often very hostile to liberal politicians and causes. The classic example is the way that they piled on Al Gore in the 2000 election while giving George W. Bush a relative free pass. This was not because of conservative bias, but because they liked George W. Bush better-- he was friendlier with them, he was fun to be around, they liked him better. In my view, the so-called liberal media almost certainly handed the 2000 election to Bush. I can't name a similar instance where the media tipped the election in favor of a Democrat.
skymutt: accept no substitutes!
Wanna laugh? Jeff Gannon, yea that guy,
he thinks CNN President Jonathan Klein should initiate a full investigation and remove everyone involved in improperly vetting the multiple people with their fake questions.
(via Wonkette) I'd let that lil' bit of irony speak for itself but since Jeff doesn't get irony Wonkette notes:
"Wait, how many people got fired for letting Jeff into the White House briefings and allowing him to ask fake questions of the actual President? None, right? Just checking."
Maybe the next GOP debate
Should be moderated by Jeff Gannon. Wouldn't that be great?
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He does claim to be a Top mind you.
I really don't want to think about any of the Republicans running acting as his counterpart.
Speaking of planted questioneers
The GOP is suspiciously paranoid, because they do this kind of subterfuge all the time.
And it goes as far as planted and even paid for op-eds and 'news stories' in the papers of record.
See Judith Miller and the NYT in the lead up to the Iraq War.
I'm only half stupid
This is where Fund gets it wrong:
I'd argue: very likely. Almost a sure thing, in fact.
CNN took - not solicited - submissions. So it's an issue of motivation and access: to what extent were ordinary Americans aware of the upcoming debates and motivated enough to record and submit questions? The chances that activists were much, much more involved than ordinary Americans - and this being CNN, which has more readers on the left than right - that more people from the left were submitting questions, is almost a given.
But in the end, I think it's a moot point unless the questions themselves were out of line. Take the DODT issue, which I've read is supposedly a "gotcha" question. Why? It's definitely an issue in the public arena, and they'll have to answer it sooner or later. And the candidates who recognized it as an opportunity to discuss their values with the base did well (horribly from my perspective, but well in terms of what they wanted to accomplish): Hunter was firm and articulate in his (idiotic) response; McCain and Huckabee were less firm but gave answers that were in keeping with their platforms, etc. Only Romney really crashed and burned, and it's because he still hasn't figured out how to resolve the dissonance between his past words/actions and his present promises. But that's a good thing: if I were on the Right, I'd think questions like that were enlightening in terms of how my candidates answered them.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
What was the gotcha question?
What a bunch of whiners. During the Democratic Youtube debate, there are questions about "taxes going up like they always do when the Democrats are in power" and "Don't take my baby (rifle/assault weapon) away". But you think just because someone is associated with Democrats, their questions are, by definition, unsuited for Republicans to even consider.
Can you even share what question it was that you felt was so unfair that Republicans shouldn't have to face it?
it's not just the association with Democrats
(which I wouldn't allow for a Republican debate simply because those debates are intraparty for the GOP to select their own Candidate, and thus questions should come from republicans only) but it was also the blatant association with an opponent's campaign (Clinton).
Pose the gotcha questions all you want when it gets to the general election, but primaries are for party members to decide for themselves.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
What Question?!?
The point of the diary was that there WERE in fact gotcha questions. But nobody seems to know what they were.
A bunch of liberal journalists?
Perhaps we need some affirmative action in place in order to hire conservative journalists. David Horowitz argued that we needed affirmative action to stem the flow of "radical leftists" that teach in post secondary schools. Of course, I'm sure he thinks a radical leftist is anyone to the left of George Voinovich (one of my favorite conservatives, btw).
Since this is ostensibly a free market economy, I would assume that the market is simply reflecting the demands of their customers, the advertisers. If a program is too liberal or conservative, ad money would go down the drain.
The other option is that the free market isn't working properly, which simply can't happen because the market is right by definition.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
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