Would I vote for Mike? Huck no. No way

It looks like the slate of viable GOP candidates has increased from four to five with the recent addition of Mike Huckabee. But in my mind, there are four qualified candidates, and Mike Huckabee isn't in that group. Why? Lots of reasons.

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For me, the top two issues are the economy and the War Against Militant Islamism. For the economy, the GOP is the party of free trade and free markets. But when it comes to free trade agreements, Huckabee talks like a Democrat . I get nervous when a politician starts talking about "fair trade" because tariffs and other trade-diminishing measures aren't far behind. This is a deal-breaker for me. Why is the Party of Business seriously considering an economic populist as its standard-bearer? It makes no sense to me.

On taxes, Huckabee talks like a Republican but he governed like a Democrat. From factcheck.org :

He frequently says he cut taxes "almost 94 times" but leaves out the 21 taxes raised during his tenure. In the end, he presided over a net tax increase.

While I have some open-mindedness about the fair tax, his proposals look ill-conceived and unrealistic. James Taranto has been poking holes in the math, and if a fellow GOPer can have such an easy time of it, imagine how well Hillary or Obama operatives will shred his tax plan.

Huckabee's spending record isn't terrible. His budgets increased 5.2% per year over his eight years in office. In Washington State, you'd be considered a budget hawk with growth like that. But at the same time, Huckabee is a little too comfortable with a big federal government for my taste, favoring arts funding, agricultural subsidies and national smoking bans. Michael Tanner from the CATO Institute:

On its annual governor’s report card, Cato gave Huckabee an "F" for fiscal policy during his final term, and an overall two-term grade of "D." Only four governors had worse scores, and 15 Democratic governors got higher grades, including well-known liberals like Ted Kulongoski of Oregon, Rod Blagojevich of Illinois, and Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania.

But Huckabee doesn’t just embrace big government in the form of big taxes. He truly appears to believe that if something is a good idea it should be a federal government program.

For example, having become health conscious while losing more than 120 pounds (a remarkable feat), he now calls for a national smoking ban. Because he believes that "art and music are as important as math and science" in public schools, he wants these programs funded -- and thus, directed and administered -- federally.

Huckabee is, incidentally, the only Republican candidate for president who opposes school choice.

Huckabee has called for increased federal spending on a variety of programs from infrastructure to health care. He wants more energy subsidies, including, naturally, more subsidies for ethanol. In fact, he supports increased agricultural subsidies generally. He is the only Republican candidate who opposes President Bush’s veto of the Democrats’ proposed expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, and he is skeptical of most conservative proposals for entitlement reform.

We've already suffered through one big-government "conservative" in George W. Bush. Why go through that brain damage yet again?

On Iraq and the WAMI, Huckabee's positions aren't bad, but McCain's are better, and both McCain and Thompson have more experience on the national stage, which is why they're in my top two. Huckabee's foreign policy knowledge is a concern :

But things have changed since then. Huckabee says he believes that the next president of the United States will have to lead Western civilization in a worldwide conflict with radical Islam. For a man with that kind of ambition, he has not been particularly well briefed. On Dec. 4, for instance, he was asked about the National Intelligence Estimate released the day before, which found that Iran had suspended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Huckabee said that he hadn’t seen it, though it had been the top news story in the country, maybe the world, for the previous 24 hours.

At lunch, when I asked him who influences his thinking on foreign affairs, he mentioned Thomas Friedman, the New York Times columnist, and Frank Gaffney, a neoconservative and the founder of a research group called the Center for Security Policy. This is like taking travel advice from Little Red Riding Hood and the Wolf, but the governor seemed unaware of the incongruity. When I pressed him, he mentioned he had once "visited" with Richard Haass, the middle-of-the-road president of the Council on Foreign Relations. Huckabee has no military experience beyond commanding the Arkansas National Guard, but he doesn’t see this as an insuperable problem. "What you do," he explained, "is surround yourself with the best possible advice." The only name he mentioned was Representative Duncan Hunter of California. "Duncan is extraordinarily well qualified to be secretary of Defense," he said.

If nominated, he and the rest of the GOP are going to pay a political price for him saying, in 1992, that AIDS patients should be isolated . I might've agreed with him had he said he wanted to quarantine Andrew Sullivan, but Magic Johnson announced that he had the virus in 1991. Did he really want to isolate Magic Johnson and countless others?. The causes of AIDS and its transmission were well settled by that time, and Huckabee's views look neanderthal, even for back then.

Huckabee's other past statements will also be scrutinized with equal fervor. Rich Lowry is right , in my opinion. He is under-vetted and his policy prescriptions are inch-deep. McCain, Romney and Thompson are looking better after second looks. To me, Giuliani and Huckabee do not fare so well.

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yeah but

what can we do if it's Huckabee vs a Democrat in the general... Abstain? I think I'll have to vote for the lesser evil of the big government conservative. I can't see myself abstaining or voting Democrat.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Wait, why not?

You're not a social conservative, so what does Huckabee offer you that makes him better than say Obama? Is it the war on terror stuff?

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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not only that

But also I think someone like Huckabee under republican pressure would be much more likely to seek Market oriented solutions for Healthcare, Entitlement reform, Taxation, etc.

I do not like Democratic economic priorities at all. I think Huckabee would be a lesser of two evils on economics.

Issues of importance to social conservatives are not important to me so those would not affect me (and no, nothing will change on Abortion regardless of who is president).

A better question would be what would make Obama or Clinton better than Huckabee? Because all things being equal I still would prefer republican at the helm especially presumably dealing with a democratic congress.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Huck's Republican Pressure...

But also I think someone like Huckabee under republican pressure would be much more likely to seek Market oriented solutions for Healthcare, Entitlement reform, Taxation, etc.

As an advocate of balanced government, I think it may be difficult to find such "Republican pressure" should a Huckabee Administration come to power. Unless the 2010 Election provides a tremendous turnaround, I don't see the Republicans making gains in neither the Senate nor the House large enough for anything.

But that's what conventional wisdom says. But then again, conventional wisdom was calling for the Hillary Coronation back in September. I go into surgery with wishful thinking that Hillary could still lose this thing, and now it a very possible reality! What a difference a month makes.

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Oh man, surgery...

I hope everything goes well bro. How long are you going to be out of commission?

By Republican pressure I did not mean explicit power of the Republican majority, as I don't think that's going to happen either. I just think his advisers and the party would rebel if he simply went along with the Democratic agenda.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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You mean like Bush Sr.?

I just think his advisers and the party would rebel if he simply went along with the Democratic agenda.

That didn't turn out well for either Republicans or conservatives: it got us Bill Clinton, rather than 8 more years of Reagan policies.

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hehe

I guess it is more of a theoretical desire...

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Oops!

Ishould have said "went". I went in October 30th and was out for like all of November for the most part ( and part of this month). hence my lack of attendance at you guys' SL meetings. Still recovering, but I'm up and walking around trying to lead a normal life again.

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ahhh good

great to hear that it's over with! I am assuming everything went well then, if you are up and walking around and getting back into it?

I've been pretty busy myself and have not participated as much here. So I am very glad to see you back!

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I noticed!

And I missed your attendance. Hope your recovery is proceeding smoothly.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Seems like some conservatives disagree

Not that what one blogger thinks matters that much, but if Huckabee gets the nomination, I'm voting Democratic. It's not just an idle threat; I just won't vote for him and in fact won't even vote third party or stay home. I'll vote for the Democratic candidate, even Hillary. I won't be a party to selling out everything the party is supposed to stand for to a liberal ideology. If we're going to have eight years of liberal rule, I'd rather the Democratic Party be governing, so at least they can take the blame.

And, quite frankly, Hillary is to the right of Huckabee on most issues, if only because she's politically afraid to do the kind of crap Huckabee does and dream of doing at night. She couldn't afford to be as soft as Iran as Huckabee would.

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I am in the same camp

I strongly suspect that I would vote for Hillary over Huckabee.

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A better question...

Why is the Party of Business seriously considering...

better question: why the hell do we have a "Party of Business"?

Business doesn't matter. People matter. To whatever extent business is helpful to people in general it may continue to exist. Whenever and wherever it is detrimental to people it should be immediately dismantled.

There is nothing remotely sacred about greed, and greed is the entire basis of business, particularly big business.

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To quote an underrated president,

the business of America is business. Businesses are run by people, so what helps businesses helps people in turn, not that we don't need laws for the excesses.

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How is that different than saying...

"Governments are run by people, so what helps government helps people"?

Businesses are run by people, but that is not the same as saying that the interests of business are identical with the interests of the people in the business, much less that they are identical with the interests of people in general.

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Because greed is good! [nt]

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It does get some folks out of bed in the morning

As primal motivational factors go, there are basically two: Fear of losing something, or Greed (desire) to obtain something.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Greed vs. the alternatives

Right, what are the alternatives to greed?

I'd rather people act in their own self-interest than act out of status-seeking. Status-seeking is a counterproductive arms race: in order for me to gain status, you have to lose status.

Altruism, to put it mildly, doesn't make the trains run on time: greed works, altruism doesn't (read your Adam Smith). And many acts of supposed "altruism" are really just status-seeking in disguise.

I'd much rather deal with a greedy (profit-maximizing) corporation than with an incompetent corporation that does a mediocre job of maximizing its profits. Greedy people/companies are predictable in a cold, rational way. Incompetent people/companies are what I'm really scared of. (It's like a suicide bomber: how can you deal rationally with someone who doesn't look out for himself?)

You have to look out for yourself, because if you don't, who will?

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Agreed (heh)

Unfortunately, greed does work much better as motivation than the less common fear and relatively uncommon altruism. But greed suffers from bad publicity and receives the common knee-jerk reaction that of course, greed is bad, because it's greed.

Idealists would like to believe that people work because they want to do good in the world. Maybe some people do. But most of us work because we have to put a roof over our heads and food on the table -- and that common, sane, and entirely practical desire can be called greed.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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I'm shocked!

Agreement! Wow... :)

Between this and the thing in the other post about how I have no sympathy for peoples' excuses about being overweight, I am clearly throwing people for a loop lately...

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Disagreed :P

But most of us work because we have to put a roof over our heads and
food on the table -- and that common, sane, and entirely practical
desire can be called greed.

Sure, it can be called greed, but it would not be correct to do so! 

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Greed Vs Altruism

profit-maximizing ? Is that the definition of greed?

altruism = incompetent unorganized louts

Perhaps there is a middle ground, for Gawd's sake. Your definitions are too extreme for my tastes.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Do unto others before they can do it unto you

Look, greed is always the way to go...

Let's say someone is suffering a seizure and you are the only one there. This is a perfect chance to take their wallet and get away with it. Don't try to help, you'll only demonstrate incompetence if you try looking out for your fellow human being.

Of course, the altruist in this case probably only did it for the status. A true hero (of greed) would have snapped a few pictures and sold them instead.

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I am pleased

and relieved to see that you are at least as greedy and status driven as I am.

Thank God for the profit motive, eh!

So, my fellow traveler, did you want your photos in color, or black and white?

It is the economy, stupid.

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