Fighting factionalism, from the top-down.
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A bunch of political bigwigs are making noises about the need for "bipartisanship" in the next President's administration . These bigwigs include Mike Bloomberg, Chuck Hagel, and several former Senators. While these politicians seem to be as respectable as any politician, their call for "unity" and "bipartisanship" creeps me out. They probably view their project as the embodiment of George Washington's warnings against factionalism
, but I have a feeling that the reality would be more akin to fascism.
This emphasis on a "bipartisan administration" seems that it would effectively merge the Democrats and Republicans into one party. It would eliminate the competition between the parties and entrench the power of the political establishment. This is purely a top-down solution to factionalism, and it seems to be fundamentally anti-democratic.
The converse approach, a bottom-up attack on factionalism, seems to get no attention from this group. The bottom-up approach would seek to eliminate the structural causes of partisanship in our electoral system. It would address the fact that a plurality election system requires voters to form two large coalitions in order to maximize their chances of winning. It would address the fact that state election laws require voters to associate with the same coalition (i.e. party) for all levels of government (local, state, and federal).
If I were trying to attack partisanship in a state with a closed primary system (like PA), I would first allow voters to register with different parties for local, state, and Federal elections. Before the advent of computerized voting, this may have caused some logistical problems when multiple elections were held at once, but now that should not be a problem. This reform would allow the primary system to operate properly at all levels of government, and eliminate the suggestion that Americans should be categorized as "us and them".
The second way that I would attack partisanship would be to (partially) automate the coalition-building process through a preference ballot system
. This would allow voters and candidates to separate themselves from any particular partisan establishment or identity group. The vote counting system itself would see that voters are clustered in a manner that maximizes their chance of influencing the outcome of the election.
These bottom-up reforms would not only limit individual identification with political parties, but would open up the political process to allow a greater variety of actors to have influence. In contrast, the "bipartisan" strategy promoted by Bloomberg would probably limit political influence to an even smaller, self-selecting elite.
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I like your ideas
but I disagree with your interpretation of the effect of the Bloomberg group. I don't think in practice that they'd merge the Democrats and Republicans into one party so much as peel off moderates from both groups and essentially form a third party. Even if they called this de-facto third party a two-party coalition, there would still be hardliners to both the right and left who would claim the "pure" Democrat and Republican mantle -- I see an inevitable split into three parties, not a merger into one.
That's just my impressions, but I haven't followed this all that closely and so I'm very open to counter-arguments.
A preference ballot system sounds good and would also partially eliminate the "spoiler" fear that keeps people from voting outside the two major parties. The Bloomberg group seems more focused on now rather than later, which explains their "top-down" approach, but I bet they'd still support aspects of your plan.
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top-down and immediacy
"The Bloomberg group seems more focused on now rather than later, which explains their "top-down" approach...."
This is an interesting observation. I wonder if the tendency to support top-down plans is driven by the perception that they can have an effect much more quickly than bottom-up approaches.
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three parties are unstable
It's not clear how much Bloomberg and Co. see this as a permanent
addition to American government, or just a way of dealing with the
current crisis.
In general, I think that a three-party system is unstable given our election system. However, if one of the parties is explicitly a synthesis of the other two, it might work.
I guess the trick is that it would have to appeal to a portion of the electorate that doesn't really care if the Dem or Reps win. Would this "party" be limited to running for President (or Governors)? Would politicians burn their bridges with their own party if they supported unity candidates?
It's interesting that "national unity governments" can sometimes emerge semi-naturally from parlimentarian systems that include minor parties.
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They are?
Tell that to the UK. They have 3 major parties with broad support across the country.
Our election system is very like theirs. We have single seat districts in first-past-the-post elections, so do they. The only difference is that they don't elect a Senate or a President, but I fail to see how that would change the fundamentals of the system.
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Duverger's law
It seems that this "law" is known as Duverger's law
. Exceptions (including the UK's House of Commons) are noted on the Wikipedia page. It may be worth looking into the nature of these exceptions.
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regional parties
One of the exceptions for Duverger's law comes from regional parties, which can get their members elected by being concentrated in particular constituencies.
This provides some insight for how a centrist third-party might be stable, by playing off of the regionalism of the Democrats and Republicans.
Basically, this centrist party would have to focus on developing as an "alternative" party in regions dominated by either the Republicans or Democrats.
That would be interesting.
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You're arguing my point
If Unity08 or any other moderate political party was a national party and won some seats here or there, they could stabilize in moderate districts, much like the Lib Dems.
It's going to take some doing to break through, but if they can get their foot in the door, there is no reason why they can't stay around for awhile.
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yup
I went looking for details about your assertion, and was just reporting what I found.
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are lib-Dems considered moderate?
From what I know of them, they seem to exist outside of the axis defined by the major parties -- similar to the Libertarian party in the US, though not as extreme.
Do you know if Brits consider the Lib-Dems to be moderate?
It seems like quite a trick to hold a position that is intermediate between the major parties. It seems like the "moderate" party would have to declare support for the status-quo on the issues that the major parties fight over, and then place attention on other issues that have broad popularity.
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Depends on who you talk to
I've heard from some Britons that consider the Lib Dems to be moderate on most issues and yet from others that consider them to be left of New Labour.
They're federalists first and foremost. Some members are more liberal (libertarian) than others and some are a sort of "decentralized socialist". When one realizes that they're what's left over from the Liberal party and the Social Democrats, it's intuitive that they'd have this diversity.
If you put any stock in the political compass ratings this chart
gives somewhat of a perspective on them. It seems they're left-wing on some issues, right-wing on others, and moderate in some cases.
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Interesting link (nt)
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thid-party or meta-party
I think the activities of this group could lead in two directions: to a centrist third party, or to a meta-party that combines the Democrats and Republicans.
Previous comments discuss the option of a centrist third party, so I'll comment on the meta-party here.
The meta-party is what I'm afraid of. The reason I think they are pushing a meta-party is because they are "demanding all presidential candidates vow to appoint a bipartisan Cabinet." (from the AJC article linked to in the diary).
If Dem and Rep candidates accede to this plan, there would be no third party. Agreeing to this plan would result in the effective merger of the two main parties. If this is to be the norm from now on, then we'll have a situation where the political elite is more concerned with getting along with each other than representing their constituents. There will be hardly any difference between Republican and Democratic candidates.
It's possible that this Unity group is only using this demand as a publicity ploy--trying to convince the voters that a centrist third party is necessary. But I'm still bothered by the prospect that this drive for unity will cause politicians to downplay their differences.
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You're right, the bipartisan Cabinet
does support your interpretation of their intentions, anyway.
OTOH the candidates aren't actually listening to the group, right? So for now anyway the group would still have to carve out their own sphere of influence, taking by necessity from the other parties.
Even if the candidates agreed, I wonder whether it would be more likely to bring the parties together or just to ostracize those members of the party who agree to serve in the Cabinet of the other party. For example, if Obama were to appoint McCain Sec State, maybe it would just push McCain (further) out of the mainstream of the GOP instead of bringing the two parties closer. Not sure.
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Tennyson
You know, I work on Tennyson street, but I've never read any of his works. Maybe I should.
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You say this...
Like it hasn't already happened.
The differences between the dems and the reps are mostly cosmetic.
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the difference between Dems and Reps
At the least, their personal fortunes rise and fall with winning and loosing elections.
On a more substantial level, I think the main differences arise from the "wedge issues", like abortion. As long as they each can hold onto their base by differentiating on those issues, they are free to do whatever they like in other spheres, with very little accountability to voters.
Even as I wish that we would put these wedge issues to rest, it's good to have the politicians distinguished on some issue.
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Not as much as they once were.
The differences are more pronounced than they were in 2000 (Nader was right; there was no functional difference between the two), but they still aren't nearly as different as most major parties are in other democracies.
The Republicans have really gone off the deep end with their enthusiastic support of torture and unbounded executive power. What keeps the differences small is that the Democrats keep inching to the right when the Republicans make big jumps in that direction.
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Holding the devil's hand
The democratic establishment has been just a step behind the GOP on their fascism parade. There are wings of each party that are different, but the establishment portions overlap significantly.
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And the differences they like to believe exist mostly don't. Mostly because each side fails to live up to its rhetoric.
pffft
Typical purple & black bar cynicism. You guys think you're so hip! Get excited, buy into the hype, it's more fun...
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I object to your bar-colorism!
I still se an ocean of difference between the two. (though I probably should be an Indigo bar)
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