Resolved: The US should legalize all drugs
Some resources that might be useful for a debate on the drug war, and a place for commentary on the debate or general discussion of this topic.
How America Lost the War on Drugs
All told, the United States has spent an estimated $500 billion to fight drugs - with very little to show for it. Cocaine is now as cheap as it was when Escobar died and more heavily used. Methamphetamine, barely a presence in 1993, is now used by 1.5 million Americans and may be more addictive than crack. We have nearly 500,000 people behind bars for drug crimes - a twelvefold increase since 1980 - with no discernible effect on the drug traffic. Virtually the only success the government can claim is the decline in the number of Americans who smoke marijuana - and even on that count, it is not clear that federal prevention programs are responsible. In the course of fighting this war, we have allowed our military to become pawns in a civil war in Colombia and our drug agents to be used by the cartels for their own ends. Those we are paying to wage the drug war have been accused of human-rights abuses in Peru, Bolivia and Colombia. In Mexico, we are now repeating many of the same mistakes we have made in the Andes.
It is of course true, but only trivially so, that the present illegality of drugs is the cause of the criminality surrounding their distribution. Likewise, it is the illegality of stealing cars that creates car thieves. In fact, the ultimate cause of all criminality is law. As far as I am aware, no one has ever suggested that law should therefore be abandoned. Moreover, the impossibility of winning the “war” against theft, burglary, robbery, and fraud has never been used as an argument that these categories of crime should be abandoned. And so long as the demand for material goods outstrips supply, people will be tempted to commit criminal acts against the owners of property. This is not an argument, in my view, against private property or in favor of the common ownership of all goods. It does suggest, however, that we shall need a police force for a long time to come. In any case, there are reasons to doubt whether the crime rate would fall quite as dramatically as advocates of legalization have suggested. Amsterdam, where access to drugs is relatively unproblematic, is among the most violent and squalid cities in Europe.
Milton Friedman leads a list of more than 500 economists from around the U.S. who today will publicly endorse a Harvard University economist's report on the costs of marijuana prohibition and the potential revenue gains from the U.S. government instead legalizing it and taxing its sale. Ending prohibition enforcement would save $7.7 billion in combined state and federal spending, the report says, while taxation would yield up to $6.2 billion a year.
How the Drug War in Afghanistan Undermines America’s War on Terror
As long as the United States and other drugconsuming countries pursue a prohibitionist strategy, a massive black market premium exists that will make the cultivation of drug crops far more lucrative than competing crops in Afghanistan or any other drugsource country. For many Afghan farmers, growing opium poppies is the difference between prosperity and destitution. There is a serious risk that they will turn against the United States and the U.S.-supported government of President Hamid Karzai if Washington and Kabul pursue vigorous anti-drug programs. In addition, regional warlords who have helped the United States combat Al Qaeda and Taliban forces derive substantial profits from the drug trade. They use those revenues to pay the militias that keep them in power. A drug eradication campaign could easily drive important warlords into alliance with America’s terrorist adversaries.
Speaking Out Against Drug Legalization
The Legalization Lobby claims that the fight against drugs cannot be won. However, overall drug use is down by more than a third in the last twenty years, while cocaine use has dropped by an astounding 70 percent. Ninety-five percent of Americans do not use drugs. This is success by any standards. [...] Crime, violence and drug use go hand in hand. Six times as many homicides are committed by people under the influence of drugs, as by those who are looking for money to buy drugs. Most drug crimes aren’t committed by people trying to pay for drugs; they’re committed by people on drugs.
Analysis of the Drug Legalization Debate
In particular, researchers have examined U.S. experience in regulating gambling and tobacco and alcohol use, as well as experience with legal cocaine a century ago. They also sought analogies in the looser regulatory stances of countries such as The Netherlands and Switzerland. Among the lessons they drew was the importance not so much of legalization as of drug commercialization in increasing the frequency of use. They emphasized the very different kinds of effects that prohibition and legalization have and the difficulty of trading these off against each other, and the likelihood that the benefits and costs of legalization would not be distributed evenly across society. Finally, they pointed out the possibility of realizing some gain in loosening the prohibitionist straitjacket typifying current U.S. drug policy in a manner that falls well short of legalization.
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Define "drugs"
How about legalizing the sale of prescription drugs to people who don't have a prescription? How about legalizing the sale of non-FDA-approved drugs? I take it the "pro" side will also have to support these positions?
I find it oddly incoherent that we break down drugs into distinct, shall I say, "medical" and "psychedelic" categories. In both cases, they're simply chemicals you put into your system to get some desired effect.
I thought of that,
but wasn't planning to bring it up since usually the discussion centers on "psychedelic" drugs. But you're right, it's oddly incoherent.
Since I'm not personally in favor of legalizing all drugs, I don't have to distinguish between the two categories. If we ever do legalize "all" drugs I would think that would have to include medical drugs, otherwise it would be impossible to consistently enforce*. I would envision a scenario where if people want insurance to cover it then they go through the normal channels, get a prescription and go to a pharmacy and purchase an FDA-approved drug, and if they don't care about being reimbursed or taking a drug that has been tested for safety then they can do whatever.
Personally I would never purchase drugs, medical or psychedelic, from someone who would face no consequences if I died or was seriously harmed from using their product. It's dangerous enough to trust drugs that have been extensively tested and screened before coming to market, where a large company has a billion-dollar stake in getting it right. In theory with legalized drugs buyers could sue sellers but in practice I don't see that working at all, at least not with the compartmentalized way drug gangs are run now.
Another question: would psychedelic drug makers be permitted to advertise their product? If not, that's a distinction between them and the manufacturers of prescription drugs, who could target non-prescription users, and could justify different treatment. If so, then there is no way to verify the content ("makes you high, fast! Great trip, no crash!") and we might as well permit any claims on advertising, which we are already awfully close to doing. Or maybe stations could decide on an individual basis whether they would carry drug advertising, alcohol advertising, etc.
* Not that consistency has ever really been a defining feature of our drug policy.
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Very good point
I support the idea of the FDA, but not the idea of them having veto power over what is on the market. For instance when Vioxx was pulled, I knew a person who wanted to continue taking it because it was the only drug he tried that worked for his condition. He knew the risks of taking it, but his decision was that the reward outweighed the risks. That's his business, not the government's.
All I advocate is full disclosure of possible side effects of the product. Drugs not fully vetted by the FDA should be on the market, but with warnings to that effect on the label or on some sort of documentation along with the product.
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The FDA protected you from thalidomide.
And unrestricted purchase of antibiotics would pretty much create universal bacterial resistance within a year. That wouldn't help you the next time you had an infection.
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Good point. I'd be for that regulation if and only if a significant part of the population engaged in that behavior as to make others bear a significant risk due to that behavior.
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I don't know, LZ
But you can define whether that effect is recreational or medicinal. You can further define whether a given drug is typically used for one or the other, or if it is a mixture (say morphine).
I think the real issue is one of addiction, and how we deal with that when it represents a violation of personal sovereignty, because the mind is no longer able to make decisions on the matter freely.
I do favor legalization of most drugs, Heroin is always where I hit a problem. That shit is so positively evil in what it does to people and how insanely addictive it can be.
Here's what I'd argue- any drug that shows no physical addiction characteristics is legalized. If it has any significant health side affects then it is available after a consultation with a doctor (honestly I'd put Alcohol in this category too). If you know the score and you choose to indulge then it's your choice.
Make it illegal to use pretty much *any* drug with any mental or coordination side affects while operating heavy machinery including cars.
I'm still mulling over what exactly to do with physically addictive drugs. Probably something similar, maybe with a more extensive consent and advice period and raise the price of the drugs to include a tax that is dedicated to addiction recovery programs.
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There seem to be a number of crossover drugs
Some argue that marijuana should be classified as medicinal. Alcohol has been claimed to have health benefits. Cocaine is used even now for some medical purposes. And there is, of course, abuse of prescription drugs. (I have a cousin who committed suicide after he was unable to get an illegal dose of prescription painkillers.)
To me the rationale for restricting drug use is strongest in the case of antibiotics, where overuse and misuse has led to drug-resistant strains. When you unnecessarily take antibiotics or fail to follow through on your treatment regimen, you're not just hurting yourself, you're hurting everyone. This is an externality, not just paternalism.
Opinions on antibiotics in animals
Sorry about your cousin.
Speaking on antibiotics, I wonder how you feel about the overuse of them in cattle, chickens, fish, and other animals we eat. Studies have shown that their overuse does cause strengthened bacteria and increased severity of disease in humans.
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semi-religious nature of some drug use
The above arguments only address the practical issues of drug prohibition, while ignoring the basic issues of morality and freedom. I think that the practical arguments are the most likely to persuade most people, but the moral arguments have the benefit of providing unambiguous support for decriminalization.
I think drug prohibition is an attack on the essence of religious freedom. We can see this to some extent in the rationale for drug prohibition: sometimes "squares" are bothered when a person changes their lifestyle after using certain drugs and sometimes religious leaders condemn drugs as interfering with spiritual development.
However, the drug/religion connection is most clearly illustrated by the way that drug users themselves view their drug-induced experiences.
1) The Native American church
uses peyote in ancient religious rituals.
2) Rastifarians
consider marijuana (ganja) to be a sacrement.
3) The drug Salvia divinorum (soon to be prohibited) has ancient religious uses and is viewed in a semi-religious (or mind-expanding) manner by its main advocate
.
4) This "mind-exapanding
" aspect of drugs is commonly referred to by Western drug users. You can find this on many websites. Aldous Huxley also expressed this viewpoint. Albert Hoffman (the chemist who discovered the psychic effects of LSD) noted how people have used LSD in a life-enhancing manner
. The seriousness of this attitude can be also be seen in the careful work of Alexander Shulgin
.
While "mind-expansion" isn't religion per se, I believe that these activities serve a similar role in society and in each person's view of life. Prohibition of these drugs is futile, because many people really care about having access to the experiences produced by the drugs. Take for example the DEA's description of LSD distribution
:
Prohibition of these drugs is impossible and immoral for the same reason that prohibition of a religion is impossible and immoral: people will fight the prohibition at great personal expense, and people use these practices to expand and refine their view of the world.
Drug prohibition is mind control.
In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.
Good point
Futile is probably correct. Unfortunately at the moment SCOTUS doesn't necessarily agree that freedom of religion trumps drug laws (surprise, I know):
A weird counterargument: suicide is illegal, even though it could be considered the ultimate mind-altering act (not my personal view, of course) -- if we don't want to change this, there may be a limit to how much self harm (or risk thereof) we ought to tolerate for exploration of the psyche aided by drugs; if we do want to change this, then by analogy pretty much anything should go as far as actions that have the potential to damage your own body.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
medical use
Another problem that you didn't mention is how anti-drug fanaticism has interefered with the development of medical treatments using taboo drugs (marijuana being the most prominent).
The drug warriors decided that these drugs have no legitimate medical use, and then they effectively prohibit any re-evaluation of that conclusion.
Granted, correction of this problem doesn't require total decriminalization, but it seems to be an important issue.
In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.
criminalization of black men
There's also the issue of how drug prohibition is responsible for the arrests of huge numbers of blacks, which contributes to the continued racial disparity in achievement
.
In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.
Becker also makes a focused case for legalization
and potentially substituting that with a tax (assuming it's a goal of society to curb usage.) We get the deterrent effects of the drug war without the war aspect which seems to disproportionately affect the urban poor and/or blacks.
It's very well put, but the tax income part
is nagging at me. One of the things I dislike most about how we try to reduce smoking is the cigarette tax, which is regressive and subject to abuse as a general revenue source (e.g., to fund S-CHIP expansion). I worry that a large tax on addictive drugs would create a perverse incentive to get people using those drugs so the government could charge them. Of course, they'd have to make money somehow, so the drugs would have to permit basic functionality, but still... it seems like a possible side effect to consider.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
I don't mind
As I've said time and again, I don't mind regressive taxes on stupid people. That being said, sin taxes should go to fund externalities caused by the use of those drugs.
For instance, cigarette taxes should go toward health care, but only enough to offset those externalities caused by cigarettes. Taxes on alcohol should go to DUI enforcement, similar health care, etc.
The alternative is to disallow Medicare from paying for drug-related illnesses, which I'm not opposed to either.
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Brendan....
I'm not sure a huge tax would be the way to go, but it's more important to me to end the harmful effects of the drug war. If you were to do that, the poor might suffer in different ways, but they'd be far better off overall. Additionally, by keeping family units together & reducing crime that comes with a large black market, they may be able to better pull themselves out of some of the intergenerational poverty that has enveloped a portion of our society. (Also, I have to agree with Stinerman's point about sympathies.)
But, you do bring up a good point on perverse incentives. Some of that would be addressed by what I would imagine would be a large anti-drug lobby who would like nothing more than criminalization to once again be implemented. Additionally, a potential solution could be funding treatment options or a truth.com type of organization from the proceeds. However the government chose to use the income, they would be in a much better position to deal with this issue fiscally because there would be less weight on the system in the form of prisoners, enforcement, etc.
Well, if the income went towards treatment
and prevention I'd be fine with it, I guess.
Agree about the negative effects of the current policy.
I wonder what an anti-drug lobby would look like with full legalization? Something like MADD, maybe. They might be able to make drug use (or at least abuse) socially unacceptable even if it were legal.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
BTW, Brendan
I'm entertaining friends from France this week. As the chits chats went on to politics, it seems that Obama is the French favorite. Not unanimously among my friends visiting but also based on opinions of friends and family of theirs back in France.
I suppose it's not surprising that prefer him to Hillary. I think the media over there probably portrays Hillary as being militarily to right of Obama (which she is). Hence, they probably feel the prospects for peaceful progress and a good turn away from Bush are best embodied in Obama.
John, is there a correlation to gender?
My Belgian wife doesn't like Obama that much and prefers Hillary. Are your friends mixed gender by any chance?
(Not that Belgian attitudes are really in line with the French)
They are all guys
that is, all the visitors are guys. But apparently, the pro-obama position seems to be the consensus among their friends/family as well.
We didn't get into specifics...just generalities.
Good to hear!
Although let's keep it between ourselves that the French like Obama, all we need in the general election (if he gets that far) is for the smear emails to claim he's not only a secret Muslim who hates America, he also gets his marching orders from France!
What did they think of Sarkozy so far, if it came up?
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
he didn't really come up
The baffling logic of the war on drugs
From Balko
, of course:
Bonus quote: "Why not just go all the way and poison the heroin supply?"
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
fanaticism (n/t)
In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.