Universal health care dead in CA: implications

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socialism!!!!!!

ummmm, if a republican govenor in a state full of liberals couldnt get it done on a smaller scale...... you think it's gonna happen for the whole country?

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Well...

In the end it faced opposition from both Republicans and Democrats, as well as from powerful special interest groups like the tobacco industry

...not if they write it so that everybody hates it...no.

On the other hand if written decently it has a much better chance at the federal level than the state. State budgets are constrained, particularly in California where they have severe budget problems.

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Seemed like a weird mix from the article

The supporters were a similarly "alliance of convenience" jumble of groups.

Hopefully the fed version would be written decently =)

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Not like that, I admit,

but there are a few things that could change:

* Like Tlaloc says, CA is facing budgetary problems (mostly due to the crappy economy) -- not that the country is in great fiscal shape overall, but there's more flexibility in spending.

* The proposal needs some tweaks to convince Republicans that it's a net benefit (or at least not a crazy expensive tax hike) and Democrats that it's not a giveaway to insurance. Mandatory coverage without addressing policy costs won't pass, and shouldn't.

* The political environment has to be right. Ahnold has some pull with voters but not so much with his own party, and Núñez wasn't able to convince enough union groups to sign on. What's needed is a leader who can control his/her own party and also has influence with independents and the other party.

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next thought

i think most realistic option for lower health care, would be if a private company started up an "economy airline" version of health insurance which could lead to a bidding war and drive down prices...as for universal health care, i dont see social security, or medicare, or any of those semi related things the government has its grubby little paws on working very efficiently at the moment, but maybe i should just vote for "change" or "hope" or something and then it will happen....

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You should look closer

Free market principles do not apply to healthcare because the fundamental requirements for a free market are impossible to provide. Second look at the VA. It is now one of the very best medical programs in the country, depsite being government run.

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I think both Clinton and Obama's plan

would allow you to buy such "economy" health insurance if you felt that matched your needs. It might be just right for young healthy people who are only worried about catastrophic accidents.

Right now I don't think there is the political will to pass government-run universal health care, maybe in the future but the first step IMO is at least making coverage affordable and available for everyone.

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the VA

I guess they got a little pressure to work on the system after walter reed. most of the things i've read about it have been pointing out seriouse flaws and short comings, but maybe i'm just reading the wrong things, i would be interisted in links.

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Here's one link

Not sure if this favicon is what you're looking for, but I never pass up an opportunity to link my own diaries...

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Walter reed was actually run by a private company

and it was after they took over that the place went to hell... not at all surprising if you follow how free market principles work in real life (i.e. the McDonalds race to the bottom tendency).

As for the VA, this story is a good start.

Excerpt:

Who do you think receives higher-quality health care. Medicare patients who are free to pick their own doctors and specialists? Or aging veterans stuck in those presumably filthy VA hospitals with their antiquated equipment, uncaring administrators, and incompetent staff? An answer came in 2003, when the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a study that compared veterans health facilities on 11 measures of quality with fee-for-service Medicare. On all 11 measures, the quality of care in veterans facilities proved to be "significantly better."

Here's another curious fact. The Annals of Internal Medicine recently published a study that compared veterans health facilities with commercial managed-care systems in their treatment of diabetes patients. In seven out of seven measures of quality, the VA provided better care.

It gets stranger. Pushed by large employers who are eager to know what they are buying when they purchase health care for their employees, an outfit called the National Committee for Quality Assurance today ranks health-care plans on 17 different performance measures. These include how well the plans manage high blood pressure or how precisely they adhere to standard protocols of evidence-based medicine such as prescribing beta blockers for patients recovering from a heart attack. Winning NCQA's seal of approval is the gold standard in the health-care industry. And who do you suppose this year's winner is: Johns Hopkins? Mayo Clinic? Massachusetts General? Nope. In every single category, the VHA system outperforms the highest rated non-VHA hospitals.

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I'll admit

I dont have a great understanding of how our current health care system works...I guess i should go do some research.

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I support a single payer health care system,

but this one wasn't it. I don't think that vices should be linked to health care systems. Should alcohol & tabacco pay taxes? Certainly. Should they pay any extra taxes? Possibly but if they did, it should go into the General Fund, not be designated for a particular use.

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