And so it begins! Tlaloc's adventures in Medical-land

As of this morning I am Oh-ficially a guinea pig in the name of science. Yesterday was the last of the baseline data collection and when I left the doctor's office I was toting my experimental meds, the first of which I took about an hour ago.

The process of getting here has been long and bumpy, in large part because this is a new study, I am in fact the very first person involved (at least here in the states, the overseas trial locations might have gotten going already, I'm not sure). Consequently everything has been new and the poor study coordinator has been run ragged. This is also her first time running a study so she's been learning on the job. On the other hand she is quite cute and very nice, so it hasn't been all bad.

What I'm taking is a compund called BG12:

Fumapharm AG has developed a second-generation fumarate (fumaric acid) derivative, BG 12 [BG 00012, FAG-201, BG 12/Oral Fumarate], for the oral treatment of psoriasis. Biogen Idec is currently evaluating the product in clinical trials as an oral treatment for multiple sclerosis (phase II) and psoriasis (phase III) trials.BG 12 has an immunomodulatory mechanism of action. It seems that this product has been developed to reduce the adverse effects associated with a first-generation product containing fumaric acid esters (mixed dimethylfumarate and monoethylfumarate salts), Fumaderm. Fumaderm was approved in Germany in August 1994 and is currently the leading oral systemic therapy for moderate-to-severe psoriasis in Germany. One of the problems associated with Fumaderm capsules has been its gastrointestinal adverse effects (including diarrhoea and nausea). In September 2003, Biogen (now Biogen Idec) licensed exclusive worldwide rights (excluding Germany) from Fumapharm to develop and market BG 12. Biogen plans to collaborate with Fumapharm to accelerate phase III development for psoriasis and the registration programme worldwide. Financial terms of the agreement were not disclosed. Development plans for BG 12 include other autoimmune and inflammatory disorders, such as multiple sclerosis. In November 2003, Biogen and IDEC Pharmaceuticals merged to form Biogen Idec. Fumapharm completed phase II trials of this second-generation fumarate derivative for psoriasis prior to licensing of the product to Biogen, also with positive results.

That info is slightly out of date. The MS Phase II trial is finished. I'm in the Phase III trial. Look here for an explanation of the various phases. Basically they know the drug has some efficacy, they know it doesn't have obvious serious problems, now they are doing a large (>2000 patients) controlled study to determine exactly how effective it is compared to current medicines.

As it says above BG12 is based on fumaric acid:

in this specific case it is an ester of fumaric acid. An ester involves taking a hydroxide group (OH) off of the end of a molecule and replacing it with an oxygen and an alkly group. In this case the alkyl group added is another fumaric acid, hence this is a bifumaric. It's been a while since I've taken cham but I believe it would look like this:

Fumarics can cause a lot of stomach problems so it's coated in a pill casing that is supposed to dissolve in the intestine and not the stomach. Which is really the good news- it's a pill. All the current MS treatments are injections taken a few times a week.

Now why did I emphasize the word "controlled" above? Because that means there is a placebo group (our control group). In fact there are four groups-
1) one dosage level of BG12
2) a second dosage level of BG12
3) placebo pills
4) Copaxone, a current MS treatment

The point is to determine the efficacy of BG12 in different doses as compared to a well known current medication (Copaxone) as well as to control for the placebo effect (which is a fascinating subject in and of itself, particularly if you have any interest in biofeedback).

It is a double blind study, meaning neither the doctor administering the study nor I have any way of identifying which group is which (except for the Copaxone group, because it is an injection). I am in one of the three pill groups. If I show a decline in health, either because the BG12 is ineffective, or because I'm in the placebo group, then I can drop out of the study and start on a conventional treatment.

Here is a news article about the study.

As of yet, of course, I can't say much about the drug, since I've only taken one dose. More frustrating is that the chaotic nature of MS means it is very hard to make any kind of meaningful observation. I haven't had an event since last July. If I have one next month is that because the drug isn't working or because it was just time? Which is a good reason why such large studies are needed.

For the first six months I go in every four weeks for blood draws, basic physical work up and so on. I'll also be getting frequent MRIs and evaluations by another neurologist who gets no info at all about my medical history and the drug trials so he can approach the evaluations in a neutral way. After six months the schedule relaxes a little. I need to keep careful track of any kinds of symptoms I experience, regardless of how clearly they appear to be unrelated (if I fall and break my foot they want to knee).

None of this is costing me personally, the tab is being picked up for by the company developing the drug. I am also not being paid to participate. I give them my body, I get free meds. I'm cool with that because I have a respect for science, I'd like to contribute to medical advances in dealing with MS, and because the pills are preferable (I would have stayed in the study if I'd been randomized for Copaxone though).

And that's where things stand as of now. I'll probably update info in the future.

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One of the things they check in the physicals

is height, which always makes me think of this simpson's quote:

Monty Burns: Instead of beer, from now on you'll all be drinking this. It's a brain and nerve tonic, rich in proteins and electromagnetic juices. It promotes robust health. Of course, it has been known to cause gigantism, but only in rare cases. Try some!

It might not be an irradiated spider but if the meds make me huge I'm totally calling myself the "MS Avenger."

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Good luck

Hope you're not stuck in the placebo group... seems like Russian roulette!  But hopefully the BG12 turns out to be a great treatment for MS.

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I would guess not

I've had a couple typical fumaric acid symptoms so far from the morning dose, specifically a slight upset stomach and a sudden flush/warmth/redness to the face. Likely I'm on one of the BG 12 dosages.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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That's good

Intellectually I understand that the study has to be double blind with placebo to actually quantify the effectiveness of the drug, but emotionally it feels crappy to give volunteers "treatment" that doesn't help them.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I know what you mean

the doctor was very careful to go over that we have options if my health declines. He seems like a very good doc, quite knowledgeable and professional from what I can tell.

One hope is that by including a well known drug they can in the future get away from a placebo group and just use the standard drug as the comparison (with the assumption that incidence of placebo effect in the new medication will not exceed that found in the old medication).

I should really do a diary on biofeedback at some point. Maybe next week.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said

"doesn't help them" -- maybe "doesn't do what they think it does" is a better way to put it. Of course them thinking it is helping can itself help somewhat.

I don't know that much about biofeedback, that would be an interesting diary.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Oh, one last note-

the study is set to run for two years.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Wishing you the best. nt

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I hope it works well man!

Good luck with it.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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A thought just occurred to me re: the placebo effect

I'm wondering why they need to have a placebo group in this test.

Here's my reasoning:

There's already a drug on the market for MS, Copaxone,  To get FDA approval, Copaxone presumably would have had to go through these same kind of trials, including trials where a placebo group was observed.  So, why can't they just recycle the results of the placebo group in the Copaxone study, since they've already observed a group of MS patients on a placebo?  Why doesn't having a Copaxone group serve as a sufficent control in the new study?  

It just seems to me as a layman that it's a lot of risk for the volunteers for not a whole lot of new information. 

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You misunderstand the purpose of the "placebo" group.

As with any well constructed scientific experiment you have a "control" group. Usually, but not always, you know what to expect will happen in the control group. The purpose of this group is to detect any environmental anomolies which may create a significant effect relative to the experiment under study. This is necessary to prevent such occurances from being falsely attributed to the item or effect under test.

This is accomplished in two ways. First, if you already know what to expect from the control group and you find that the control group exhibits anomolous symptoms then something must be up that is not related to the drug being tested. Second, even if you have no idea what the norm for the control group is going to be, if you observe a symptom that occurs in BOTH the control and the test groups then you know that the symptom in question is not being produced by the drug being tested.

So even though you may know what to expect in the "placebo" group it is still important to run a "placebo" group concurrent with the actual trial to detect effects unrelated to the drug under test. 

Republican Maverick at Large
-4:Strongly Disagree; 0:Meh; +4:Strongly Agree

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Heh

I've spent my share of time in boring science labs, so I know what a control is, but thx anyway.   And the idea that occurred to me isn't so far out, according to Tlaloc, so there!  Think a little bit outside the box, man!  :-p

 

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Well, if you know what a control is ...

then you know why running an experiment without one makes no sense at all.  Of course this is no impediment to the opinion of Tlaloc, since most of his opinions make no sense at all either.

Without a control group you have no idea whether the results of your experiment are due to the drug under test or some random environmental effect that wasn't present in previous "placebo" groups as you suggest.  Why bother to run the study at all if you can't trust the results to tell you anything useful? The FDA wants proof, not anecdotal evidence.

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Who says you'd have no control group?

You would have a group using the existing, known therapy as your only control group, and leave out the placebo  group.

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Well, based on the structure of the study ...

I would say that the FDA does not agree with your assessment.  I'll defer to them on that point.  :)

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Fine

When they do the studies "my way" in the future, you can defer to me :-)

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OK, be sure to remind me when the time comes! :)

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I wrote this above

in response to Brendan:

"One hope is that by including a well known drug they can in the future get away from a placebo group and just use the standard drug as the comparison (with the assumption that incidence of placebo effect in the new medication will not exceed that found in the old medication)."

So basically you are right, they are trying to get away from having a placebo group and do a direct comparison to one of the known meds. But they will have to get the FDA and maybe the NIH to signoff on that which means justifying the decision.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Ah... and there it is, the answer, right there :-\

Doh!  Well anyway, I hope they solve any problems with this approach in the future in order to minimize risks to the health of volunteers for this kind of trial.

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One of the reasons the FDA opposes early access to new drugs

is that it reduces the pool of people willing to participate in double blind studies that rely on a placebo group to demonstrate efficacy.

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-4:Strongly Disagree; 0:Meh; +4:Strongly Agree

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The Best of the Best

Tlaloc!

Sorry you have to go through this, but it looks like you are making a lot of good choices here.

It is the economy, stupid.

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