How many Obama untruths will it take?

On the whole, the mainstream media is so bedazzled with Barack Obama that it won't do its job in holding the Illinois Senator accountable to his words. That job is left to the fact checkers, the blogs and Friends of Hillary and Bill. No wonder Bill Clinton is so angry. Obama's getting away with it and Team Clinton is not. When Obama started his campaign, he promised a new kind of politics, but what we've actually seen--especially in the last month--is a growing pile of old-style untruths. Instead of a new way, we're getting the Chicago way. Let's recap:

The 100-year war. Obama said this:
You know, John McCain wants to continue a war in Iraq perhaps as long as 100 years.
The Columbia Journalism Review makes the harsh assessment that Obama is "seriously misleading voters--if not outright lying to them--about exactly what McCain said." Michael Dobbs' Fact Checker site is less harsh but comes to a similar conclusion. Here's what McCain actually said.
Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years… McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.
For Obama to be honest about McCain's statement, the Democratic frontrunner must also believe that we're still at war in Germany, Japan and Korea. This is what a senior Obama advisor called a "clean shot" against McCain. That was a clean shot? I'd like to see they consider a dirty shot.


Obama's JFK-Selma Connection. In Obama's own words:

What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation. It worried folks in the White House who said, "You know, we're battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites." So the Kennedys decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.
The Fact Checker concludes that Obama's words are "misleading in a number of ways":
  • It implies that the airlifts of Kenyan students in 1959 and 1960 were somehow a response by the Kennedys to the bad image that America was getting around the world as a result of the civil rights protests in places like Selma and Birmingham. That is not the case. Mboya organized the airlifts as part of an effort to prepare his country for independence. Nearly 8,000 Americans had contributed money to the program by the time the Kennedys got involved.
  • Obama credits the Kennedys with bringing his father to America. The Kennedys did not fund the 1959 airlift.
  • Obama implies that he is somehow the product of the Selma events. As other bloggers have pointed out, the Selma march took place in 1965, four years after Obama's birth. (The Obama campaign now says that he was referring to the civil rights movement in general, rather than the Selma protest in particular.)
A casual listener to Obama's Selma speech could come away with the impression that he is the offspring of a mythical union between the Kennedys and the civil rights movement.
Obama earned three Pinocchios for this one because of significant factual errors and/or obvious contradictions.


Obama and his taking of money from oil companies. Factcheck.org calls this statement "too slick":

I don’t take money from oil companies.
Their conclusion:
Technically, that's true, since a law that has been on the books for more than a century prohibits corporations from giving money directly to any federal candidate. But that doesn’t distinguish Obama from his rivals in the race.

We find the statement misleading:

  • Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.
  • Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.

Obama masking his liberalism. From The Politico:
During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than his aides now acknowledge in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion — positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he has projected during his presidential campaign.

The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group’s detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his 1996 bid for a state Senate seat.

Late last year, in response to a Politico story about Obama’s answers to the original questionnaire, his aides said he "never saw or approved" the questionnaire.

They asserted the responses were filled out by a campaign aide who "unintentionally mischaracterize[d] his position."

But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago nonprofit group that issued it. And it found that Obama — the day after sitting for the interview — filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer.

As Ed Morrisey notes, the Obama team's response makes no sense. Barack Obama is trying to package himself as a transcendant candidate who can cross party lines for change, but the sad fact is that his views are left and liberal, and he has the most liberal 2007 voting record in the U.S. Senate. Someone needs to explain to me how a person on the far left can convince people on the right that their views are wrong and that they must join him to bring about "hope" and "change". Seems like someone more centrist [*cough McCain*] could do a better job of it.


A McCain presidency would be a Bush third term on energy? On the subject of energy and oil, Obama said this:

Make no mistake, this is an area where John McCain is offering a third Bush term.
Obama's statement is dishonest because it is so disingenuous. When it came to the 2005 energy bill, the Senate voted 74-26 in favor. According to Jake Tapper, Obama voted "yea" and McCain voted "nay". Whose vote is closer to a Bush third term? It looks to me like Obama's. President Bush has been pushing for drilling in ANWR since his first term. To the chagrin of most Republicans, McCain is opposed. McCain's energy security plan is significantly different from the Bush version.


Obama on his pastor's "acknowledgment". On The View as reported by AP, Obama said this:

Had the reverend not retired and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying there at the church.
There is no record anywhere of Reverend Wright making any such acknowledgement (cite).


Obama's anti-NAFTA mailer. More from factcheck.org:

Barack Obama's campaign is distributing a mailer in Ohio that plays upon anti-NAFTA feelings in the Buckeye State. But the flyer is misleading:
  • Obama is quoted as saying that "one million jobs have been lost because of NAFTA, including nearly 50,000 jobs here in Ohio." But those figures are highly questionable and from an anti-NAFTA source. Other economic studies have concluded the trade deal resulted in much smaller job losses or even a small net gain.
  • The mailer quotes Hillary Clinton as saying "NAFTA has been good for New York and America." That quote, however, is taken out of context. She also said in that same news conference that NAFTA was flawed and old trade deals needed to be revisited.
All of this dishonesty has happened in the last month or so. How much more can we expect in a head-to-head contest? Why is Obama getting a relatively free pass from the mainstream press? When will the mainstream media step in and start doing its job? The bets are on.
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I think the first one is your strongest example

Obama is clearly distorting what McCain said. It seems like he's being more careful with his phrasing on this topic recently.

Some of the rest are sort of off-target IMHO (for example, I think the available evidence strongly indicates Clinton did earlier support NAFTA, whatever the merits of the particular cite used in the flyer) but it's a fair enough list, if a bit inconsequential from my personal POV.

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Much agreed on the "inconsequential"

A similar list could be compiled for any candidate in any race.  Expecting someone in the thick of a heated campaign to never exaggerate, spin, misspeak or omit context is quite unrealistic. There's no item in this list that I find particularly troubling. 

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I beg to differ somewhat.

This:

"Obama is clearly distorting what McCain said. It seems like he's being more careful with his phrasing on this topic recently."

is something that I strongly disagree with. I have to agree with Obama on this one. McCain has clearly expressed a wish to keep us in Iraq--most likely indefinitely, which we really can't afford at this point, especially since our war on and occupation of Iraq, in addition to havng totally destroyed that country, has cost us, as taxpayers, in the trillions or more. We've got to pull our troops out of there.

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Oh, I agree that McCain wants us to stay in Iraq,

but it seems to me that Obama was deliberately making it seem that McCain was talking about continuing the war in Iraq, rather than leaving troops there for oversight.

As stinerman says below, it's fair to question how much difference there would be in practice, certainly initially, but I think it's better to provide the full context for McCain's statement and let voters decide for themselves.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Obama's paraphrasing of McCain's "100 years" is fair

Obama is clearly distorting what McCain said.

First, here's a good analysis of the problem with McCain's "100 year" comment --basically, McCain used a bad analogy, just as Bush was doing.

For my own part, I think that Obama's portrayal of McCain's comment is fair, even if he has muddled the issue by condensing a whole bunch of issues down to a soundbite.

Granted, McCain's "100 year" comment appealed to the idea of permanent military bases within a politically stable ally, not an ongoing peacekeeping/counter-insurgency operation. However, McCain has constantly given the impresison that defeat is not an option -- implying that he does support indefinite combat deployment within Iraq.

In fact, I think that McCain's "100 year" comment was a transparent attempt to avoid answering the question that he was being asked (he didn't even listen to the entire question) , which referred to Bush's attempt to reframe our activities in Iraq along the lines of the South Korea model. He deserves to be "misinterpreted".

Leaving alone the issue of whether it is premature to start talking about our post-insurgency policies, there is also the issue of us maintaining permanent military bases in Iraq. Bush has repeatedly denied that we were planning to establish permanent bases--both to American, Iraqi, and international audiences. Now he (and McCain) are doing a 180 and acting as though permanent bases are just a common sense extension of our current policy.

This is why it is fair to criticize McCain for his "100 years" remark--however you interpret it (counter-insurgency or post-insurgency), it acurately reflects his militaristic/imperialist ideology.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Iraq...... It's just like post-war Germany

except with a civil war.

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Which War? Post WWII? Post

Which War?

Post WWII?
Post WWI?
Post Wars of German Unification?
Post...

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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I could say a lot about this...

For now I will just say that I hope you hold your Saint McCain to the same standard of scrutiny.

Overall all candidates stretch their positions. Every American President, starting from George "I can not tell a lie" Washington stands guilty as charged.

I guess we can say on McCain's hundred years comment, his position is much like John Kerry's, in the last election, is somewhat nuanced.

It is hard to have sympathy for McCain, though taking a little time to read the whole context of his statement etc. But again did you have the same sympathy for the war hero John Kerry.

I would say I have about as much sympathy for your heartfelt concerns about McCains honest vs Obama's honesty as you did for delving into the honest context of statements and actions made by John Kerry.

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As far as I'm concerned

As far as I'm concerned, McCain's 100 years comment says a lot about what he thinks is true of Iraq.

I know what he means by the 100 years comment and the media is giving everyone a free pass on challenging McCain on it, but he judgment is called into question when he believes that it could be possible that American troops could be in Iraq without being subject to hostilities.

It'd be like me saying that I don't mind living under one-party Republican rule for 100 years so long as they don't pass any bills that I don't like. Technically, it's true, but the idea that such a thing could be possible is downright incredible.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Yes, I agree with this, but on the other hand

Obama has also said that he's prepared to commit troops to Iraq if necessary to chase bad actors or try to stop an outright civil war. One could make a similar type of criticism of such a stance, since it's likely that on some level there will always be reason to keep some troops using these (admittedly vague) guidelines.

I will say that it's certainly possible that our withdrawal will pressure the Iraqis to work things out in a way that they wouldn't with the US military around to rely on. I'm not convinced of that (based on what happened in Basra, but there are some difficulties in generalizing that because of how the Brits ran things) but it's a legitimate argument.

Anyway, I think that in practice McCain and Obama aren't as far apart as their rhetoric would indicate. However, I do think that their respective supporters are extremely far apart, and this would probably mean Obama would be much more aggressive drawing down troops than would McCain.

Like I keep saying I expect we'll have some actual data to see what happens when we leave over the next few months, since we can't maintain the surge strength indefinitely.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I don't disagree

Obama has also said that he's prepared to commit troops to Iraq if necessary to chase bad actors or try to stop an outright civil war.

Which is why I have serious reservations in voting for him. I wrote off Nader very early, but he seems to be very serious about working hard to get on the ballot and is slowly climbing up to the top of my list.

The Democrats still haven't learned from the Republicans that the best strategy is to give their base what they want. Instead, the Democrats give their base their best R. Kelly impersonation every 2 years. Why? Because Democrats are so scared to death after a few thousand of them voted for Nader in Florida and New Hampshire that they'll stick with anyone left of Zell Miller come November. The Republicans don't have this problem and their base isn't afraid to stay home.

Along these same lines is the apparent lack of interest in the war. My theory is that once it became apparent that the Democrats weren't going to force Bush's hand via defunding, everyone who wanted to get out of Iraq yesterday collectively said, "Well the Democrats aren't going to do anything about Iraq, so it looks like we're stuck with it for awhile". Rather than waste their vote on someone who will do what it takes to get us out of Iraq, they'll just settle for someone who will talk a good game, but not actually do anything when push comes to shove.

As a very smart man said in An Unreasonable Man, if you refuse to withhold your vote from a candidate, then you have no bargaining power that can be used to change their policy. Democrats have confused the party discipline of Republicans. Republicans don't hold their nose every 2 years, they get what they want. Let me put it this way. For the Democrats, the rank-and-file is afraid of the party brass. For the Republicans, it's the other way around.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Already have held McCain to the standard

Here . McCain clearly went too far when he said that Romney wanted to set a date for withdrawal from Iraq.

On Kerry, I had the same standards. I think the SBVs went too far, but they had a point on his Christmas boat trip into Cambodia and maybe his first purple heart.

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Fair

And you seem fair minded. (not sure about your fellow travelers)

So if McCain has 'goofed' on some things, yet he is still your main man, you can see that if in your opinion Obama has 'goofed' on some things, you can understand why he still has support from the masses. :)

McCain decries lobbyists yet has, Charley Black, mega lobbyist working on his campaign tour while still doing his 'other' job at the same time! (!) (hypocrite)

It's a matter of POV and what you are willing to forgive, or tolerate in the hopes that your guy most conforms with your philosophy of governing.

The starkest contrast on McCain v Obama will be the classic tax debate. Privatize social security or raise taxes...... that sort of thing. I look forward to the debates between McCain and Obama. They should be spectacular!

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A few more comments and we can pass Redstate...

Only a handful over there, I would guess because this falls into the "well, duh" category with conservatives.

C'mon guys, let's hear from both sides what we think about Obama and his exaggerations! But play nice, of course =)

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Does meta count

as a comment? If so, count me in!

Otherwise I don't have much to say that has not already been said. Much of this is dependent on accurate representation of full contexts (which is a goal, but, come on, this is politics). The rest is built upon implications and spin which is just drivel that the MSM will not pick up. Jeez, we are talking about the same media that Bush played like a harp for years! Now you want accountability based on nuance and implication. Keep wishing.

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/

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Frankly,

I'm really not bowled over by any of the presidential candidates. Hillary Clinton and John McCain both voted to authorize our war on Iraq, and Barack Obama didn't come out a whole hell of a lot better, since he voted to continue funding our occupation of Iraq.

All that aside, I'm not enthused about Obama, Clinton, or especially, McCain. I'd vote for Obama since he seems to be the lesser of three evils, but, as I've said before, I'm not exactly whoopee-do excited over him either. Quite frankly, and I'm being honest about tnis, I'm quite turned off to many of these third-world liberation movements abroad, especially the Palestinian cause, but that's another issue altogether.

Back to what I was saying, the three presidential candidates we've got right now are quite poor, and the people in Congress who'd clearly be much better presaidential material don't want to r un, for whatever reasons.

Frankly, lots of speeches about unification and hope simply ring hollow unless t hey're backed up with some true-blue action on them. Our healthcare system's declining, our country's t rillions in debt , and it doesn't look good right now. Sorry to sound negative, but, although Obama may
sound better than the others, the question is whether or not he'll even keep his promises if and when he does get elected president of the United States.

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Big Tent Democrat has a similar post at Talk Left.

He references a post from Taylor Marsh in it which isn't surprising. I used to read her but can't really deal with her posts now.

Not to say that you and Armondo, oops...BTD, have a whole lot in common. But you may want to see what the dark side is doing.

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BTD = Armando?

Wow. I was actually sort of missing the guy.

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Were you at tacitus.org

when he posted there? Or where do you know him from?

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Yep

Armando and I mixed it up at Tacitus every day for months, until he found greener pastures at dKos. He's as partisan as they come, but I like his sense of honor.

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bowled over and enthused

I am both bowled over and enthused by both the Dem candidates!
Either one will win against Mc Cains " 100 yr war/commitment/pourourmoneydownthesinkhole/ of Iraq".
I hope its Hillary because she really is tough as nails , and that is what we need,

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To each their own, but,

This:

"I am both bowled over and enthused by both the Dem candidates!
Either one will win against Mc Cains " 100 yr war/commitment/pourourmoneydownthesinkhole/ of Iraq".
I hope its Hillary because she really is tough as nails , and that is what we need,"

I'm really not bowled over by...at all. I think that Hillary will cause the Democratic Party to lose to McCain.
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The more that is revealed.....

If she was less of a narcissist, and more of a team player.

The more this goes on, the more it seems like Hillary is morphing into someone I don't care for.

She keeps making false claims, and the weeping at her MLK speech. Please! That was so fake.

What hacks me off, is how she keeps talking about every vote should count, unless they don't count for her, then she wants the superdelegates to decide.
This is so disengenious on it's face.

She is drumming up a hysteria about this every vote should count meme.

Meanwhile she says she will honor the rules and breaks them if they don't go in her favor.

If she was a leader she would stand up and defend the black churches from slander.

It seems that she is trying to make sure that if SHE doesn't win, then NO democrat should win. I don't think the party leaders are at all happy about her trying to destroy the democratic party so she can take it over.

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You have too much faith

While my comment isn't perfectly in the same vein as yours, I think the ignorance and stupidity of the American people will shine more brightly than any sort of poor candidacies by either Democrat.

My grandfather, a very smart and thoughtful man, mentioned to me that my candidate didn't win (I had hinted that I was hopeful Ron Paul would win the Republican nomination). He asked who I was pulling for now. I said that I wasn't sure yet. He said that he thought that Obama was a pretty good guy but that because he was raising upwards of $2,000,000 per day that "he must be getting money from the Muslims".

I was absolutely floored by his comment. The multiple logical errors completely stunned me since I knew him to be a really smart guy. If Obama was taking money from radical Muslim groups, I think it'd show up on Opensecrets, and I'd make a safe bet that Republican and conservative groups would be on such a story like white on rice in a snowstorm.

Critical thinking is in low supply these days. Votes are not cast for good reasons, but for vanity.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Good answer

I am both bowled over and enthused by both the Dem candidates!

That's what we have to keep in mind. We're picking from two good options. You prefer Hillary, I prefer Obama, but at the end of the day the Dem party is going to make history with either candidate and will have a very strong candidate to run against McCain.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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passions are high on both sides

I think this contest is very clouded by emotion, both positive and negative .
I do not know how this will be resolved, if you read Talk Left etc. Clinton and Obama are neck and neck in the popular vote, surely this has to be taken into consideration when the Supers decide to cast their votes.
Miss L , I agree that Hillary seems overly ( fake ) emotional and a bit over the top.... but that seems to be how the race is won,,,, remember when Bill got up in someones face to defend his wife at a debate , its like " realty Tv" the public seems to demand it. This is why some ( mostly white people that I know ) are saying Obama is just " too cool for school " ( too laid back , too cool , wouldnt be a fighter etc )
Its stupid, he has a calm and engaging demeanour .
Yet , no matter how she behaves , she will be criticised, , too feminine, too masculine , too ambitious , too desperate, she cannot win in the media it seems. Oh and by the way,,,, Im still waiting for the breathless run down of Mc Cain 's tax returns .
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This election is a tragedy

The first woman or the first African American. Pick one.

I regret that Hillary has not conceded the race so that the democratic party can rally around our candidate. Although I realize that isn't Hillary's plan and see why she doesn't want to give up....... she has worked hard for a long time to get where she is...... . I don't like the way the ongoing journey is polarizing the democrats past the point of no return.

Either candidate will be criticized...... and to be frank I would like to see Hillary show some integrity and some class alongside the fighting spirit she has. It worries me because she is demonstrating some of the very traits that have caused our current President so much trouble. Surrounding yourself with loyalists to the point of no return.

I used to be enthusiastic about the race....... but my excitement has waned.

Of all years the dems should be thrilled, jazzed and insanely excited about winning the White HOuse.

If nothing else, I say let's have a street party all across America the day Bush leaves office. I can not wait to see that m*oth**f*c**r go back to Texas.

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so that the democratic party

so that the democratic party can rally around our candidate.

I didn't know you self-described as such. What's wrong with a blue bar?

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Nothing

After '06 I changed from blue to black, in pure frustration with the constant enabling, by some elected democrats, of the Bush agenda.

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The only one here that bothers me

is the info about donations from oil companies. The rest are battles of rhetoric, and we can play spin and counter-spin, but that one's firmly in the 'dishonest' camp - especially when you're running on a platform of battling corruption. I'd like to see a response from the Obama campaign, if this issue's been brought up with them.

The rest, eh, don't bother me much.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Donations from oil companies

That one really doesn't seem to be any more than a rhetorical issue as well, IMHO. So he has "

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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The issue isn't impropriety:

it's accepting money from a source that he's denied accepting money from. I put this in the same corner as the "not accepting money from lobbyists" canard. I do think Obama is the better candidate on corruption issues, but trying to use clever wordings to deny that you're doing something strikes me as fundamentally dishonest.

edit: I mean to say, because the issue at hand is corruption, that's why I consider this more than just a discussion about rhetoric.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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I think the reference is to bundled

money, or PAC money.

If one thousand waiters donate as individuals, $200 a peice, to Obama, does that mean he is accepting money from the Restaurant Lobby?

Individuals that work in oil companies can donate without representing the 'Oil Industry'.

Of course I could be dreaming, but that was my understanding. Though I am sure that some of the money coming to Obama is not 'pure'.

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