Tribute to Ted Kennedy

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As many here at Swords Crossed are aware, I am a steadfast advocate for following the Golden Rule. So much so, in fact, that I assume that my political opponents are all honorable people who, themselves, likewise follow the Golden Rule. As such, I feel duty bound to treat Democrats and "liberals" the same way that they are treating people on my side of the political aisle. The logic being, of course, that since my opponents are following the Golden Rule that they must be treating me the way that they, in fact, want to be treated themselves.

I was surfing around the web looking for a piece of humor to mirror the satirical humor so often found on the liberal side of the web but from a right wing point of view. I found this piece from a random blogger who shall remain nameless on a website that shall likewise remain nameless, which fits the bill perfectly.

The author, not unlike myself, is angry about how cruel satirists can be when making their points. As such, the piece that follows targets left-wing satirists and their art by demonstrating the cruel realities of how their pieces are perceived by their political opponents.

BEGIN PIECE BY: Random Blogger at Random Site dot COM.

A lot of you folks here like The Onion, right? So, in the spirit of this piece by The Onion here is some commentary on Ted Kennedy.

Not left wing enough for you? Here are some other fine examples of left wing "humor" that inspired this piece:

Ted Kennedy worse than Abu Graib Ted Kennedy at Hooters

As you may, or may not, be aware Senator Ted Kennedy was recently diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor - although if it's in Teddy boy's brain it can't be much of a tumor, right, I mean how big could it be?!? The poor thing is probably starving. (Yuck, yuck, yuck. I got a million of 'em.)

I must say, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy and this probably explains a lot of his behavior over the years, most recently that flopping fish impression of his over the weekend! (See what I mean? This guy is comedy gold.)

All these years we assumed that all that slurred speech was just the alcohol talking, but now we know it was just the tumor talking all along! BTW, I hear that the tumor probably boosted his vocabulary by 150%, so it was sort of a win-win for Teddy. (He he, having fun yet?)

But enough jokes at Ted's expense. Ted was quite the prankster in his younger days, like that time he drove off the bridge in Chappaquiddick for a joke, I bet Mary Jo was laughing all the way to the bottom. What a hoot he was, a million laughs. (BTW, could a malignant brain tumor explain those lost memories from that night instead of the alcohol? Maybe Ted can now just claim he had a seizure that night, eh? He's lucky like that, I bet the Democrats would believe it.)

But on a more serious note, we have to wonder how the tumor could have developed - I mean how did he contract it? Perhaps he got it from eating the shellfish after dumping all that diesel fuel into Nantucket Sound where I hear he sails a lot (which is why he opposes the wind farm that has been proposed there)?

On the other hand, some research shows that the Herpes Virus may have been to blame. Knowing Ted and his infamous frat-boy style antics I guess that wouldn't be that much of a stretch, for example:

Ted Kennedy's Female Troubles

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Kennedy's womanizing ways are a Washington legend. When a supermarket tabloid published pictures of Kennedy getting "amorous" with a woman on his sailboat, one of his colleagues (Senator Howell Heflin) remarked that it appeared that Kennedy "had done changed his position on offshore drilling." In 1985, he and Connecticut Senator Chris Dodd allegedly made a "waitress sandwich" at a DC restaurant while their dates were in the rest room.

Kind of makes you think, eh? Where might Ted have been infected with herpes so it could travel to his brain? Hmmmm.

But in closing, Michael Savage played his own tribute to Ted on the day it was announced. It's not really my style, but you might like it. You can listen here:

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Can you imagine a world where

Can you imagine a world where Bush43 drove drunk with company...Princess Diana perhaps

Reminds me of the time a kid from my high school that was almost always drunk and or high got hit by a drunk driver while he was 100% sober.

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Not my graphics ...

but you were correct that the original was inaccurate. It is fixed now, just ctl-refresh your browser for the corrected version. (Excluding suicides, of course, which is only fair since Mary Jo didn't commit suicide.)

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What does this say about you, that you would post this?

How disappointing.

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It says about me exactly what The Onion's piece

says about the them and those that they support. Note which came first.

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As someone who thinks theOnion even has stepped over the line

At least for TheOnion's sake, they are 0% vindictive...

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Vindictive is in the eye of the beholder, I guess ...

whoever wrote The Onion's piece obviously hated Reagan. How else could you write such a thing? I consider the very concept of that piece to be inherently vindictive because it preys on his illness at a time when he was, in effect, defenseless.

Am I being vindictive w.r.t. Ted? Obviously. Am I proud of being vindictive? No, not really.

I'm just tired to letting things like the slurs on Reagan and Bush go and taking the high road. I feel as though I have been sucked down into the muck with the denizens of the likes of The Onion, DailyKos, Democrat Underground, and various other political hackeries.

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As far as The Onion goes...

The likes of The Onion that have headlines such as:

"Local Bassist Fellated"
"Linebacker Faces Suspension For Genocide"
"God Damns Minnesota Vikings As Requested"
"Michael Vick: 'I Also Ate Kittens'"
"Mysterious Traveler [John Edwards] Entrances Town With Utopian Vision Of The Future"
"Dolphins To Distract Patriots While Browns Get Them From Behind"

&
"Teamsters Endorse Obama

The powerful Teamsters labor union endorsed Barack Obama. What do you think?"
Steven Henley,
Heating Engineer
"Well I was going to vote for him out of hope, but I suppose voting for him out of fear and intimidation is just as good.

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the onion? that's your standard?

that's your standard?

Okay, as long as  you don't expect to be taken seriously...

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tsk tsk...

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Wow

This is pretty ridiculous, but free speech and all that jazz.

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no parallel

the onion is satire.

GWB was not just diagnosed with a terminal illness.

Hitchens is a moron (never heard of cruise missiles, apparently), but even he kept a serious tone as he responded to the near-deification of Regan.

Anyway, I don't have any special concern for any of these guys. but you've got to have some respect when someone (anyone) is diagnosed with terminal illness. 

 

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The Onion piece on Reagan as satire ...

While I admit that I wrote this particularly vile piece out of pure spite and with absolutely no regard for common decency, perhaps you have hit upon a way to have something redeeming come out of it after all.

the onion is satire.

OK, I can possibly accept that this might be true and that I am merely "satirically challenged" as it were.  So let us consider the following:

Satire Entry on Wikipedia :

Satire is strictly a literary genre , but it is also found in the graphic and performing arts .
In satire, human or individual vices, follies, abuses, or shortcomings
are held up to censure by means of ridicule, derision, burlesque,
irony, or other methods, ideally with an intent to bring about
improvement.[1]
Although satire is usually meant to be funny, the purpose of satire is
not primarily humor in itself so much as an attack on something of
which the author strongly disapproves, using the weapon of wit .

A very common, almost defining feature of satire is its strong vein of irony or sarcasm , but parody , burlesque , exaggeration, juxtaposition, comparison, analogy, and double entendre are all frequently used in satirical speech and writing. The essential point, however, is that "in satire, irony is militant"[2] . This "militant irony" (or sarcasm) often professes to approve the very things the satirist actually wishes to attack.

So, help me out here.  What is the socially redeeming point that the author of The Onion's piece on Reagan was trying to make?  Personally I can't find one.  So let's embark upon a quest to understand why The Onion's piece should be viewed as socially redeeming and/or trying to make a valid point somehow, whereas this piece on Teddy is just pure spite with no such redeeming value.  How are the two actually different?

Anyone care to take a stab at an armchair analysis? 

 

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GoRight: The Onion's satire

Targeted the doctors and the hypothetical newspaper reporter for abuse. People laugh at the disabled (and insist that they are laughing with them). By forcing the reader to view the same behavior directed towards a former president instead of some random kid, they are forced to reflect on the propriety of the issue.

Why is Timmy on South Park funny, but similar behavior towards Reagan make the reader so uncomfortable? Why is it OK to be amused by the antics of a real kid struggling with a disability?

We are forced to see the villainy of the doctors and the fictional reporter and because we know the distinction between the fictional reporter and the onion writer, we retain our respect for the latter for his abusive satire of the former.

Your target on the other hand, was not intended as Savage or yourself, but Kennedy; a person just diagnosed with a brain tumor. As a result, we feel the same level of disgust towards the actual writer (you) that we feel towards the fictional writer in the Onion.

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Presto chango ...

Targeted the doctors and the hypothetical newspaper reporter for abuse. People laugh at the disabled (and insist that they are laughing with them). By forcing the reader to view the same behavior directed towards a former president instead of some random kid, they are forced to reflect on the propriety of the issue.

Why is Timmy on South Park funny, but similar behavior towards Reagan make the reader so uncomfortable? Why is it OK to be amused by the antics of a real kid struggling with a disability?

Hmmm.  Interesting.  Kudos on creating a decent cover story here.  It would sound plausible to me if I actually believe for a minute that the Doctors and Fictional Reporter actually acted this way towards anyone in their care or otherwise.  I simply don't believe that they are or that they do.

Who is it that is amused by the antics of a real kid struggling with a disability?  What is the likelyhood that any such person actually reads The Onion?

However, given your description of how the satirist has structured their work to avoid any such ridicule, I have re-written a small portion of my text above to turn this piece into a proper piece of satire as you describe it using the Reagan piece as a template of sorts.

We are forced to see the villainy of the doctors and the fictional reporter and because we know the distinction between the fictional reporter and the onion writer, we retain our respect for the latter for his abusive satire of the former.

Well, as you can plainly see I have now shifted the focus to that of the fictional satirist for the purpose of exposing the cruelty of such work.  A noble position, no?

Your target on the other hand, was not intended as Savage or yourself, but Kennedy; a person just diagnosed with a brain tumor. As a result, we feel the same level of disgust towards the actual writer (you) that we feel towards the fictional writer in the Onion.

I don't believe that you can say who my target was (in the original piece) with any more certainty than you can the author of The Onion's piece.  I made it quite clear that I was writing this piece in response to similar pieces from the left, did I not?  As such my satirical target was clearly the other authors on the left, not Teddie himself. Teddie merely serves as the vehicle for my ridicule much as Reagan did in The Onion's piece ... per your analysis above.

So clearly you should, if you are true to your word, be "retain[ing] [y]our respect for [myself] for [my] abusive satire of the [the left wing satirists]".

Thoughts?

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You sir, are a liar

Bull. You attacked someone diagnosed with a brain tumor because you wanted to cause pain to the people that respect him. Had you been satirizing left-wing bloggers, you would have written as one and gone overboard attacking someone on the right.

You enjoy the attention and if you need to spit up bile in order to do it, all the better.

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No, I am not.

You sir, are a liar

I am merely illustrating how easy it was for you to spin a cover story for the author of the Reagan piece, and thereby illustrated the fallacious nature of the distinction you were trying to make.

The point is that there is not a bit of a difference between the "satrical underpinnings" of the Reagan piece and those of my revised (or even my original) post.  They are essentially indistinguishable in that respect, as was my intent.

I set out to write a piece that was every bit as objectionable to those on the left as the Reagan and similar left-wing attack pieces are to me.  In that respect I believe I have been successful.

Had you been satirizing left-wing bloggers, you would have written as one and gone overboard attacking someone on the right.

This, unfortunately, is not possible.  There is no depth to which I could sink in order to "out do" the bile that is spewed out by the left-wing extremists.

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You blame the wrong people

(us) then you sink to their level.

How does that make you any different than 'them'?

It doesn't.

You think you are doing justice to some great cause?

Exposing the bile filled left? Congratulations.

Now what are you gonna do?

Look for more extremism to do some knee jerk hate filled screed that you pretend is 'exposing the truth'?

You have become that which you claim to despise.

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In a sense, this is true.

You have become that which you claim to despise.

But I have always believed in fighting fire with fire and someone has to push back. 

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satire was wrong word

all i meant is that they aren't serious. maybe "professional iconoclast" is a better descriptor.

i don't think that they are particularly partisan. they'll go after anyone/thing that will provoke a reaction.

how do you like this (anti-war):

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_imagearticle310.jpg

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purpose of this site

aren't we trying to get away from BS like this?

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Don't feed the trolls

Meh. If you ignore it, it tends to go away.

GR has been off his game lately. I don't know if he's having trouble at home or work or perhaps he's just really upset that the Republicans nominated McCain. And FWIW, that isn't some sort of snarky cheap shot. I'm starting to become truly concerned.

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I didn't leave the Republican party ...

but they sure seem to have left me! I am now a maverick. A rebel without a cause, as it were. :)

... he's just really upset that the Republicans nominated McCain.

Mostly it is just a lack of time.  Besides, I gotta find a new groove.  All this pointless arguing has even gotten me down.  :(

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Meh ...

just ignore the diary. It will be off the front page soon enough.

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Although I'm a big advocate of free speech,

I must admit that this is kind of a nasty tribute to Senator Ted Kennedy. As a constituent of his who lives in the Bay State, I have to say that Senator Ted Kennedy has been a champion and a fighter for all people. He may have started out as somewhat spoiled and reckless in his younger days, but when he got elected Senator, he had the good, common sense and intelligence to hire smart, knowledgeable, decent and competent staff people to surround him, which is far, far more than many, if not most politicians have been doing, particularly nowadays. I am sorry to have learned that Senator Ted Kennedy is so ill, and, so here's keeping my fingers crossed for him, hoping he recovers quickly and resumes a normal life, and I wish him and his family all the best of luck during these difficult times.

Nobody's defending what he did at Chappaquidik, but Senator Ted Kennedy admitted his mistakes, made amendments, and went on to become a great senator. While it's true that the Senator has earned the respect and accolades of Liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans alike, it's disgusting to use the Chappaquidik incident to keep denigrating him, particularly right now.

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Well said.

A few more posts like this and maybe this diary might actually become a real tribute? *

What was the most significant accomplishment you think he made to America?

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* And I am not pretending that this was my original intent.  I am just going with the flow of the comments. 

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Two things are evident from

Two things are evident from this post:

1. You, GoRight, are an a--hole.

2. SwordsCrossed, to its credit, allows a great degree of freedom of expression.

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I left out one more thing

I left out one more thing that the post makes evident:

Either...

You are an idiot who can't distinguish between a few extremists or incidents of going too far with humor vs. a much larger group of people and other individuals, and who thinks that the worst acts of the former justify and entitle you to engage in similar acts.

OR...

You ARE aware of that distinction, but are too immature and insensitive to moderate your behavior appropriately.

I don't particularly care for Ted Kennedy and I oppose him politically more often than I agree with him, so don't be so moronically presumptuous as to write off my comments here as those of some "liberal" whose opinions you think you can automatically disregard.

Thing is, you see, I try to be guided to a large degree by this principle called "decency". You should try it sometime.

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An Obama-esque ego, I see ...

Either...

You are an idiot who can't distinguish between a few extremists or incidents of going too far with humor vs. a much larger group of people and other individuals, and who thinks that the worst acts of the former justify and entitle you to engage in similar acts.

OR...

You ARE aware of that distinction, but are too immature and insensitive to moderate your behavior appropriately.

Either...

You are a simpleton with an over-sized ego that believes everything written here was directed at you.

OR...

You DO recognize that unless you are writing similar material from a left-wing point of view this piece actually has nothing whatsoever to do with you and you are just choosing to be an a--hole moron.

Thing is, you see, I try to be guided to a large degree by this principle called "decency". You should try it sometime.

Well if this is true then you shouldn't be offended by this piece in the slightest, should you?

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That's just dumb. I'm not

That's just dumb. I'm not even going to waste time deconstructing what you say, explaining your errors and correcting you. You've shown yourself on several threads to be impervious to reason and insistent on empty, immature rhetoric.

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Funny, from my perspective I could say the same thing ...

to you. This is the point you don't seem to pick up on.

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Meh.

Is there an expression that conveys even less caring that meh? Meh in this case is way overstating my degree of caring.

1. You, GoRight, are an a--hole.

No more so that those who write pieces from the left of a similar vein.

2. SwordsCrossed, to its credit, allows a great degree of freedom of expression.

Quite correct, you are still allowed to post I see.

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Re: "No more so that those

Re: "No more so that those who write pieces from the left of a similar vein."

And no LESS so. That's what, for some reason, seems to escape you. You take incidents that you claim are equivalent to the indecency you've shown here as an excuse to be just as indecent, while claiming that you are just pointing out how indecent THEY are. Guess what? No one's buyin' it.

I won't repeat my name-calling, but I stand by it (and I'd like to add to the list, but given John's comment below, I won't).

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It doesn't escape me.

And no LESS so. That's what, for some reason, seems to escape you.

I know full well what I am doing and why I am doing it.  That's what, for some reason, seems to escape you.

I am not claiming that this is any better or more noble than the filth from the left.  I freely admit that my intent was to be just as vile.  So now perhaps you understand how I feel when I read things like the Reagan piece ... much more so than if I simply denounced the Reagan piece on an intellectual level.  You must fight the emotional with emotional. 

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I'll try again to get my

I'll try again to get my point to penetrate your inches-thick skull.

I'm not saying you don't realize that your post was "just as vile" as those you are criticizing. I'm saying that you either don't realize or are pretending not to realize that you are merely engaging in the same vile rhetoric because you WANT TO, not because you are justified in doing so for the purpose of pointing out how inappropriate OTHERS have been. You claim to be making a legitimate, important point that justifies the indecency of your post. Bullsh*t. You are merely using the indecent actions of relatively few folks on the other "side" as a pretext for your own indecency. That's what either escapes you or what you are pretending is not the case.

Any chance you get it now, genious?

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It's "pretend"

at least I hope so. ;)

It has to be.

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And you know this how?

You know that the author of the Reagan piece was being pure of heart and honorable in intent whereas I was not? Are you a mind reader?

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GR, either you are a total

GR, either you are a total put on, or you are really stupid, or you just don't think AT ALL before speaking. Your reference to the author of the Reagan piece is a non sequitur, and it seems that you really just can't get my point. My point has nothing to do with the mindset of the author of the Reagan piece. Geez.

As a note, at times I have trouble suffering fools gladly. But I generally don't get nasty, since someone can't help being stupid. But combining stupidity with nastiness -- as you've done and continue to do -- is something to which I feel justified in responding nastily.

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By the way, I'm glad that,

By the way, I'm glad that, as a matter of policy, SC allows you to participate and does not delete your posts/comments, although the quality of discourse here would be higher without your presence. But hypothetically if SC did so, it would probably be hard to choose between doing so on the basis of indecency or on the basis of utter obtuseness. You REALLY bring down the average here, so to speak.

I gather from what a couple of others have said that in the past you were different and better, but all I've seen since your apparent return to SC are completely worthless and distracting input, plus this indecent post.

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With all due respect ...

I am not all that impressed with you either.

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Again, you know this how?

... you are merely engaging in the same vile rhetoric because you WANT TO, not because you are justified in doing so for the purpose of pointing out how inappropriate OTHERS have been.

I write a vile piece of sh--.  I admit that I know it is a vile piece of sh-- and that I specifically intended it to be a vile piece of sh-- so as the return the favor of similar pieces of sh-- from the left.  My piece is based on the assumption of a good faith application of the Golden Rule on the part of my political counterparts AND the good faith attempt on my part to "treat them as they obviously want to be treated (based on they own actions)."

So what are you actually complaining about?  Yes I am engaging in the same vile rhetoric as my policitcal counterparts.  Yes, under these circumstances, I INTEND (i.e. want) to do so.

The only unaswered question is, why am I doing so?

Actually it is not unanswered because I have, well, answered it there "genious".  I am doing it in response to the pieces, such as the Reagan piece, that I find offensive.  I am doing it to convey just how offensive I find the Reagan piece to be in terms that the emoters on the left can understand.

You now claim that these are NOT the reasons that I do so.  You now claim that I am merely using these as a cover.  So tell me, how do you know?  Are you a mind reader?

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Actually, I did speak with

Actually, I did speak with too much certainty. There are indeed alternative possibilities with regard to your mindset and intent, and I've covered them.

One is that you are merely using the indecency of others as a pretext for the indecency in which you simply want to engage.

Another is that you don't have a particular desire to engage in such indecency (i.e., not just looking for a pretext to do so), but you simply don't realize (or are pretending not to realize) that, as I've explained previously, the indecency of a relatively small number of people does not justify your engaging in the same indecency, either for its own sake or as a means of pointing out the indecency of those others.

I don't know for sure if it's one, the other, or some combination. My guess is some combination: that you have a general desire to sink to that level, and probably didn't need much to rationalize doing so, and the indecency of others allowed you the opportunity for such a rationalization. And you don't strike me as the kind of guy who would stop and ponder for moment if he was just making a rationalization and if the indecency in which he was about to engage was really appropriate or not.

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BR and GR,

If I may,

This is all unnecessary.

GR, this diary was in bad taste...it has nothing to do with a sense of humor. Let's be honest about that. I don't blame people for being even mildly offended. Mere political differences should never be the reason for such venom toward another.

BR, I understand that you find this diary offensive and I agree. That said, there's no reason for name-calling. There is a higher ground for conveying your sentiments.

Take it for what it's worth.

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John, I certainly respect

John,

I certainly respect your opinions generally and I respect your view regarding name-calling. That said, I think there IS a time and place for name-calling, and I think a response to GR's post is such a case, and I don't think my name-calling comes anywhere close to the indecency of GR's post. But I guess reasonable people can disagree on whether or not name-calling is appropriate.

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As they say

Illegitimi non carborundum

Name-calling is never appropriate. Ignoring the source is the best way to go. Trolling is never fun when no one's paying attention.

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Well, sometimes it's

Well, sometimes it's important for members of a community to publicly denounce particular statements, lest people either within that community or first-time/recent visitors to that community get the impression that such statements are considered respectable (or even good) by many/most within that community.

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Name calling was entirely appropriate

Well done BR. If ignoring someone what the right response, there would be no posting rules on the site (or the encouraged response would be to ignore violators.)

If the folks with the -delete- power want to pretend that using a couple of swear words is worse than this crap, then the least the rest of the community can do is heap scorn on the writer.

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I was simply trying not to intervene directly

but instead tried to diffuse things a little.

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I'm not saying you're wrong.

I just don't like to see fighting like this.

But my intent was not to provide "fake balance". I hope that much clear.

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Fox guest jokes about shooting Obama

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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*Shakes head*

Well, it's a free country I guess. First it was Huckabee, now this chick. I guess it's OK to talk about wishing for the death of political candidates you disagree with as long as you throw in Osama and laugh.

Seriously, I think Coulter would be proud--yet upset, because she didn't think of it first.

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And don't forget Hillary ...

she mentioned the assassination of Robert Kennedy. Can't get much worse than that ... at least according to the Obama campaign.

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Trotta

had both the decency and maturity to apologize when she realizes she stepped over the boundaries of propriety. I wish some others around here had the same.

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Ever hear of

this fallacy ?

A new low for you and this site. I'm embarrassed for all of us.

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Unfortunately ...

if I were a Christian or a Muslim I would be more of an old testament type of guy. An eye for an eye type of mentality.

I think that this site will survive this simple assault on its dignity, as will I. No worries, everyone knows who wrote what.

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Once again, I trot out Deuteronomy

Hopefully you would be very selective in your use of the OT

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Stonings have been underrated for some time now ... :)

If the Islamo-terrorists get their way, stonings might make a comeback, who knows?

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Does this diary

break the rules of civility for the site?

If so, I implore GR to voluntarily take it down.

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Which one?

The one about being civil? My understanding is that the civility rule applied to posts about other posters on the site, not about public figures. The public figures have always been fair game.

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I tried

to give you a way to earn back a modicum of respect, but you refuse to take it. I will leave it at that.

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You know Specter, you are one of the people here ...

who's opinion I actually care about. There are a few others who shall remain nameless at this time to avoid playing favorites, but you make the short list.

I have thought about taking it down. I really have. At times I feel bad about writing it, but I did write it and so I also feel that it wouldn't be right to take it down.

Obviously I didn't write this piece to gain anyone's approval, least of all yours. I don't expect that you or anyone on the left would approve given the stated intent of the piece. In some weird twisted way the fact that you and others disapprove is a testament to the success of the piece in terms of meeting its objective of being vile.

Then I read and thought about independentminded's post above and the title that I gave to this diary, a Tribute to Ted Kennedy, and it occurred to me that a real tribute to Ted should include all sides of Ted and what people think about him. The good, the bad, AND the ugly.

Should we hide the ugly parts of how some people see Ted? I don't think so. I don't object to people writing nice things about Ted in the comments here. In fact I gave kudo's to independentminded for doing just that. So let's have a tribute that shows all sides of how Ted is viewed. I have provided the slime, you all provide the good stuff.

I'll tell you what, Specter, if you really feel that we should gloss over the baser perspectives on Ted Kennedy and paint a rosy picture of him simply because he happened to get sick, then respond to this post and if you ask me to after having considered the above I will voluntarily delete the diary as a favor to you (and the rest of the community, of course).  I leave the fate of this diary in your able hands.

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I think it does

and I believe with my newfound admin powers that I (and perhaps Tlaloc) can, but I feel it'd be overstepping my bounds.

I defer to Ender, Brendan, or John since they're the overlord masters (and especially Ender because he's paying the bills).

The diary is crap and it doesn't represent the principles of the site, but I don't get to be the final judge.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Be careful what you ask for ...

I will demand equal treatment or at least point out the inconsistencies whenever they come up.

(You censorer you.)

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EDITORS, I commend you on

EDITORS,

I commend you on allowing posts even as gratuitously offensive as GR's here. But I'd like to make a suggestion, and I'm close to the fence on this one, but I lean toward favoring your doing it.

This post reflects on the SC community, and reflects extraordinarily poorly on it due to its gross indecency. First-time visitors may get a very bad impression of this community if this post is the first (or one of the first) posts they see.

Here's my suggestion: Allow the post. Do not edit the post other than to add an "Editor's Note" at the top stating that the Editors find this post indecent not reflective of the spirit of the SC community, but that it is allowed in the interest of erring on the side of free expression.

I think reasonable people can disagree on whether or not you should do the above. I think you should, but I would respect a contrary view. It's not an easy call.

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All you had to do was ask...

there you go, updated and self-corrected. :)

Anything else you want me to add to the disclaimer?

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Good. I would still like the

Good. I would still like the EDITORS to make a more affirmative statement that your diary does NOT reflect their sense of decency and appropriate discourse, nor that of many/most members of the SC community.

But your note is much better than nothing.

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Interesting.

Why should it matter who adds the disclaimer? Are you trying to shame me into conformance or something?

Strictly speaking, as far as this diary is concerned I AM the EDITOR! :) Doesn't that count?

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First, the more important

First, the more important part of my prior comment is the affirmative nature: not just saying in a broad, vague way that your diary is "not representative" and that it "should not reflect on any other members..." but that the indecency of the post indeed runs CONTRARY to the spirit of the SC community and it's desired quality and nature of discourse.

Second, it does mean something if the editors make a statement. Visitors will wonder why the editors allow such a diary if it is so indecent. I think that, on balance, it would be good for SC and good for our community here if the editors made it clear that they find your diary indecent and not reflective of the decency of the SC community, but are allowing it in the interest of free expression.

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Anything more for the disclaimer?

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There, I added your exact verbiage ...

and my appeal to Specter, a fair minded individual, still stands. If he gives it the thumbs down after considering my position I will delete it.

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That's an improvement, and

That's an improvement, and while not my ideal, good enough to be reasonably satisfactory, at least to me.

Of course, I'd rather see the whole indecent thing gone, but that's up to you.

And I remind you, I'm not someone "on the left". On economics, military/foreign policy, and a couple of social issues I'm right of center. I'm just not a thoughtless, standardless, knee jerk, talking points conservative like you.

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Here I am avoiding the pointy sticks ...

I'm just not a thoughtless, standardless, knee jerk, talking points conservative like you.

and then you go and say something like that.  Tsk, tsk.  I guess I'll just have to continue to take the high road with you ... :)

I propose a cease fire on the pointy sticks, not because I can't keep slinging them but rather because you seem to actually be taking this stuff personally.  It's not personal. 

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Nope, not taking it

Nope, not taking it personally at all. In fact, I think that would be an impossible result of comments from you, with or without "pointy sticks". I have no further comment, unless you do and I wish to respond.

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this diary is not very appropriate however

It is something that can be understood as an unfortunate product of the hate and partisanship most of us have engaged in in the safer confines of regular partisan blogs.

Many times I have read much much more hateful and despicable thoughts (than this) on Reagan and some other figures revered by the Right - written on the liberal blogs.

It is true that we try to be better here (I am as much of a sinner as GR in that respect :))

I think GR did enough with the disclaimer.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Bill O'Reilly said something

Bill O'Reilly said something to the effect that right wing bloggers, for the most part, don't go after their political opponents with insidious personal attacks like those on the Huffington Post and other sites...

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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