Obama should meet with Petraeus in Iraq, without preconditions

Within the first weeks after receiving enough delegates to secure the nomination, Barack Obama should go to Iraq and meet with General Petraeus without preconditions. There would be a lot of preparation . The first steps would not be to pre-judge all the items on the list.

Obama hasn't been to Iraq since January 2006 , before the Golden Mosque bombing by al Qaeda. A lot has happened since then. Last Monday, John McCain invited Obama to join him on his upcoming visit to Iraq. The Obama campaign flatly rejected the offer. Bill Burton , campaign spokesman:

John McCain's proposal is nothing more than a political stunt, and we don't need any more 'Mission Accomplished' banners or walks through Baghdad markets to know that Iraq's leaders have not made the political progress that was the stated purpose of the surge. The American people don't want any more false promises of progress, they deserve a real debate about a war that has overstretched our military, and cost us thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars without making us safer.

I'm pretty sure McCain won't pull out a 'Mission Accomplished' banner on a joint trip, and I'm also pretty sure that Obama could exclude any walks with McCain through Baghdad markets. Ed Morrissey :

If they’re worried about the military giving them a dog-and-pony show, the answer isn’t to decline the trip but to counterpropose a more comprehensive trip than even McCain’s suggesting and turn it into a real fact-finding mission. Don’t spend two hours looking at charts with Petraeus. Take four or five days; go to Basra and Mosul. If they simply can’t suspend campaigning for that long, send a joint team of advisors from both sides.

After all, Iraq is in the top two of top-two issues in this country. It seems reasonable to me that Obama should go there and see for himself what's taking place, and get his information directly from the source (or sources). In addition to Mosul and Basra, perhaps he could even go to Diyala province now that it's been pacified . Anyway, it's heartening to hear that Obama is at least considering going there:

Senator Barack Obama said today that he is considering visiting American troops and commanders in Iraq this summer. He declined an invitation from Senator John McCain to take a joint trip to Iraq, saying, "I just don’t want to be involved in a political stunt."

In a brief interview here, Mr. Obama said his campaign was considering taking a foreign trip after he secures the Democratic presidential nomination. No details have been set, he said, but added: "Iraq would obviously be at the top of the list of stops."

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Mr. Obama suggested today that any foreign itinerary would include a stop in Iraq. "I think that if I’m going to Iraq, then I’m there to talk to troops and talk to commanders, I’m not there to try to score political points or perform," Mr. Obama said. "The work they’re doing there is too important."

Mr. McCain responded with a touch of sarcasm to the news that Mr. Obama was thinking about going to Iraq. "I certainly was just a short time ago glad to hear that Senator Obama is now, quote, considering a trip to Iraq," Mr. McCain said at a news conference late in the day in Los Angeles. "It’s long overdue, it’s been 871 days since he was there. And I’m confident that when he goes he will then change his position on the conflict in Iraq, because he will see the success that has been achieved on the ground."

Again, Ed Morrissey :

Just so we’re clear, a "political stunt" would be letting McCain cow him into a joint trip to Iraq. Letting McCain cow him into a solo trip? Not a stunt.

It would also be interesting to see if Obama does change his 16-month cut-and-run policy after a visit to Iraq, considering that there are strong indicators that the strategy is working *. I'm doubtful that he will. Why? Because his "plan" is too diametrically opposed to the current strategy, and in my view, he's too politically invested to change it because such a change would anger and inflame the very base that propelled him to the nomination. There would be hell to pay from the Hard Partisan Left. Obama's withdrawal proposal is a direct and complete rejection of the counterinsurgency strategy crafted by General Petraeus, and his opposition to the strategy has been longstanding. Here's what Obama said on January 5, 2007:

Meanwhile, Obama said he told the president directly that an "escalation of troop levels in Iraq was a mistake."

Obama was among more than a dozen senators of both parties who were invited to the White House to discuss his plans for Iraq. Bush plans to continue to meet with lawmakers and is expected to announce his new Iraq strategy next week in an address to the nation.

"It was an open-ended discussion," Obama told reporters after the meeting. "The president asked for our opinions. I think both Republican and Democratic senators expressed grave concern about the situation in Iraq."

"I personally indicated that an escalation of troop levels in Iraq was a mistake and that we need a political accommodation, rather than a military approach to the sectarian violence there," said Obama.

Asked for the president's reaction, Obama said: "I think he is considering it very carefully. They've obviously run that possibility through the traps. He did not say definitively that that's the decision he had made."

No specific figure was mentioned for the proposed increase in troops during the meeting, Obama said.

The COIN strategy envisions a political accommodation AND a military approach. Obama rejected this, favoring the former but not the latter. On February 16, 2007, the House approved the following resolution: "Congress disapproves of the decision of President George W. Bush announced on January 10, 2007, to deploy more than 20,000 additional United States combat troops to Iraq." It passed 246-182, but the Senate version failed to clear cloture. Obama voted in favor of putting the resolution to a vote.

Twelve months later, Obama's rejection of the present strategy remains in full force and effect. After foreign policy advisor Samantha Power said that Obama's proposal to withdraw all combat brigades in 16 months was a "best case scenario", the Obama campaign disowned her :

Unfortunately, the best-case scenario does not usually apply in Iraq. That is why it was perfectly appropriate for British television reporters to challenge former Obama foreign policy adviser Samantha Power about how he would respond to an unraveling security situation in the country. She gave what seemed like a common-sense response : Obama will be guided by the circumstances on the ground and the advice of his military commanders, and will not be locked into a plan that he produced more than a year earlier while running for president.

Power's candor was evidently too much for the Obama camp, which promptly disowned her remarks.

Michael Dobbs didn't mention that the Obama campaign also disowned Power because she called Hillary Clinton a "monster" on British television. Nevertheless, the campaign directly repudiated both her "best case scenario" remarks and the "Hillary is a monster" comment. The reality may be that Obama will sign on to the Petraeus strategy if elected, but I don't see any indications of it right now. So as it stands, by dint of his "plan", he must believe that our endeavor in Iraq is irretrievably lost, so the only rationale alternative is to remove our troops with haste. Because of the numbers, the logistics, the bases and whatnot, 16 months is pretty hasty and, to me, it's likely that such a rapid departure would conflict with the latest January 2007 NIE on Iraq.

Changing gears a little, last April I wrote a post on Ambassador Crocker's testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Political progress has been made, but surely not as quickly as anyone likes. The main Sunni bloc's recent suspension of talks on national reconciliation is an example of the volatility and fragility of the process. But it is a process. The national government has shown some willingness to incorporate Sunnis into the military forces, but only haltingly. Al Maliki is stronger politically, but he needs to do more.

* Here's another indicator that the COIN strategy is working. News coverage is way down :

During the first 10 weeks of 2007, Iraq accounted for 23 percent of the newshole fornetwork TV news. In 2008, it plummeted to 3 percent during that period. On cable networks it fell from 24 percent to 1 percent, according to a study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism.

The numbers also were dismal for the country's dailies. By Acuna's count, during the first three months of this year, front-page stories about Iraq in the Bee were down 70 percent from the same time last year. Articles about Iraq once topped the list for reader feedback. By mid-2007, "Their interest just dropped off; it was noticeable to me," says the public editor.

It's not bleeding, so it's not leading.

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naaa. You gave a bunch of reasons. None good though.

I mean, Why? It's a PR stunt. It doesn't help form or carry out policy.

Just remember this one:

So John McCain, in order to prove his point that there are neighborhoods in Baghdad that an American can stroll through safely, tells reporters at a press conference that he just got back from a 1-hour walk around the city. Safe and sound! Though, oddly for a guy running for president, without any TV cameras around. Later it turns out that he visited....

"Wait for it....

A market three minutes from the Green Zone. Wearing a bulletproof vest. Accompanied by over a hundred well-armed soldiers. Covered by three Blackhawk helicopters. And two Apache gunships."

The visit was tragically followed by this news a few days later:

The latest massacre of Iraqi children came as 21 Shia market workers were ambushed, bound and shot dead north of the capital. The victims came from the Baghdad market visited the previous day by John McCain, the US presidential candidate, who said that an American security plan in the capital was starting to show signs of progress.

Iraq is important. Iraqi's aren't going to be voting for our next president though, so I think the campaign should occur here.

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Just a minute

On NPR, this is how General Petraeus described McCain walk through a Baghdad market:

JIM LEHRER: Senator McCain was with you last weekend in Baghdad. And he was talking about how he was able to walk around on the streets of Baghdad, particularly in a market. But today Iraqi tradesmen in Baghdad called that whole thing a propaganda move.

What can you tell us about that? Was it just simply a propaganda move, a photo-op?

GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: No, I mean, he spent an hour in the market. I was actually with him. He was in a baseball cap. He did wear body armor, because we advised that he ought to do that. Certainly, there was security around him. I mean, nobody ever wants to lose, you know, senior senator or the multinational force Iraq commander in their area of operations.

But having said that, there were tens of thousands of Iraqis in that market. It's the largest or second-largest market in Baghdad. It is one of those that has been hardened by the placement of concrete barriers literally all around it.

And it may be as much as a kilometer, almost a mile long, so this is an enormous market, as I said, tens of thousands of Iraqis in it. He was not protected by a cocoon of security. Yep, there was security there, but he was out -- actually he helped the Iraqi economy quite a bit, bought a number of carpets, in fact. And he haggled with the merchants himself, with an interpreter, and was moving all around very freely.

So, I mean, he asked to be allowed to drive down the airport road, to be able to go out and actually see some parts of Baghdad that congressional delegations do not normally see. We go down to these markets fairly frequently, several times a week, to see how it's going, and the revival of the markets is one of those indicators, in fact, that we watch.

And it was good to be able to let him see one of these very vibrant markets, which, by the way, eight weeks ago, was hit by a car bomb, before right around the start of the Baghdad security operation, with devastating effects, with dozens and dozens of Iraqis killed, before vehicles were excluded from traveling into the market during its operation.

JIM LEHRER: But as you know, the reports describe that situation slightly differently. They say there were armed helicopters overhead. There were armed Humvees all around. There were more than 100 armed U.S. troops around, protecting Senator McCain and the congressional delegation, that this was hardly a routine visit to a market. So which is it?

GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: Well, there was considerable security, as I said, Jim, around it. Actually, there's security when I go down there, as well.

But having said that, I mean, a suicide vest bomber could have walked up to him just as easily as they could have walked up to me. We were not, you know, surrounding him, again, with some kind of cocoon of soldiers. He moved around freely.

We have helicopters usually flying when I'm actually out in the markets, as well, I mean, sometimes whether you know it or not, because, as I mentioned, no one wants to lose, you know, some high-ranking guy on their watch.

Again, having said that, there are snipers that are always possible. There are others who are possible in these marketplaces. You cannot control that kind of activity. And, again, I thought, you know, it was a fairly routine stop out there, in terms of just sort of strolling through a market, albeit with, you know, squads of guys out there in that marketplace.

But they are fairly heavily patrolled markets anyway, with Iraqi -- these markets are always controlled during the time that they're in operation to prevent vehicles, in fact, from moving through the access barriers when those markets are open. They're only allowed to move vehicles in and out, when the markets are shut, to deliver goods. And then they're excluded.

This was why the NYT article on McCain was a hit piece. On your comment about massacre of the children and 21 Shiites, let's be clear on who was responsible. It was al Qaeda. It was a a suicide truck bomber killed the children and the Shittes were killed execution-style. Al Qaeda runs a propaganda every bit as much as an intimidation campaign. They read the papers and watch the news. They wanted to convey the message of chaotic violence to the American people, and you bought their propaganda hook, line and sinker. Today, now that al Qaeda has been confronted and the Awakening movements have taken hold, they're closer to defeat than they've ever been . The suicide bombings will still happen, but by all accounts, they're getting decimated in Iraq.

McCain explains his Baghdad visit below:

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What's the point.......

of going to Iraq, to get the glamour tour.

The only real value in visiting Iraq would be talking to the men and women who are actually engaged in the mission.

I thought Obama's questions to Gen. Petraeus in the Congressional hearings were excellent.

What does victory in Iraq look like? Is it essentially a relatively stable Iraq with an acceptable level of violence.

Having two Presidential nominees enter Iraq together is taboo for safety reasons.

What is really going on in Iraq? The Iranian backed Shiites are in a struggle with the American forces to see who can win the battle of hearts and minds (and resources, oil/water).

When the Iraqi government takes money that stays in the hands of politicians and can't deliver on infrastructure which is a first step in creating secure conditions for business.

If Iranians do a better job at delivering infrastructure it shows up the Iraqi politicians as corrupt and the American's as inept at delivering on their promises.

I have no doubt that Obama would give the words the weight they deserve. No one has a vested interested in continued chaos in Iraq that is sapping our military and our treasure.

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So going to Iraq automatically means...

...."glamour tour"? Why? This issue is in the top two of issues, so unless Obama's mind is already made up and he doesn't want to hear any new information, why shouldn't he go and why shouldn't he meet with American soldiers and Iraqi and Kurdish soldier, civilians and politicians?

That said, you do have a point about not having them together for safety reasons.

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The glamour refers

to being shown the inside of an airplane, the inside of the apparently lavish US Embassy, the inside of the Officers Quarters, etc. Many of these politicians get a scripted guided tour. That's what I meant by glamour tour, IF (ha!) I was being unclear.

I personally would love for Obama to have a little sit down with al Maliki, and our soldiers.

He has an outline of some of his ideas, if you are interested.

The three points are:

Pressing Iraqi's leaders to reconcile
Regional Diplomacy
Humanitarian Initiative

I don't recall Obama's position on permanent bases, but the Iraqi's are protesting in mass, this very day, about the occupiers having permanent military bases in Iraq. It's a bit of a touchy subject since some in the muslim world have always feared that the establishment of Israel was just the first foot in a wider Western forced US/British/Israeli coup of their homeland.

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That would be like Heaven

We'll just because they [some Arab Muslims] are paranoid, doesn't mean the West isn't out to get them.

Forced Western style democracy for all.

*sarcasm*

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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First hand view is important

If I were about to / hoping to be responsible for Iraq, I would want to see some things for myself. As a candidate, though, it it almost unavoidable that it would be perceived as a publicity stunt, and without official authority, Obama would probably not get the access and information that would be of most value in future decision making. So he's kind of in a catch -22 on this. If he goes now, it's perceived as and probably would be more of a "glamor tour." But if he does not go now, he is perceived as uncaring with regards to our position there

If Obama is as smart as his supporters say, he may indeed change his plans with regards to Iraq. A lot can happen in a year.

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Uh, why?

Given that Petraeus was just in DC briefing congress about the state of Iraq why exactly should Obama go to Iraq to hear the same song and dance again?

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Good conversation. I want to thank you for posting

this, BirdDog. Even though I disagree with you, I think this post helps drive what the sites majors want this space to be....namely a site that offers most points of view.

Just like anywhere, you some times have to be able to take some heat for positions you may take though.

Thanks again. Keep it up.

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Obviously

That goes without saying (which is why I never say it).

I wish we had more conservatives here...

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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Every group has it's share of fools.

Even those damn raging moderates...damn moderates.

To be able to talk past your ideological comfort zone isn't something that is widely held across the web. Most like thier own cocoon.

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I appreciate that, k

nt

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Seconded, BTW.

There's very little we're likely to agree on (some fiscal matters perhaps) but I'm glad you're here.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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