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Early bird comment

Sports comments, since I'm a bit tired of politics:

Congrats to Ken Griffey Jr. for hitting homerun number 600 last night!

Chicago Cubs currently have the best record in the majors. Could this be the year?

Will the Celtics be able to pull off a couple of wins on the road and wrap up the championship?

(Personally, I'd love to see both those questions answered in the affirmative!)

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It's nice to see Griffey

hit those milestones after all the injuries he's had.

The Cubs will find some way to lose in heartbreaking fashion, and the Celtics aren't going to win in LA =P

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Alas

I suspect you are right about the Cubs. Celtics winning it all in Boston is good too!

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ok news

Fed chief: Risk of major downturn 'diminished' favicon - I hope so... I am weary of a serious recession.

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I'm considering adding a block

to the right nav bar to highlight notable content, either news or essays or diaries or comments, here or elsewhere.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

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good idea - I see it - looks cool

I was looking to upgrade our software this past weekend. Downloaded the new versions (I think I have to increment it version by version) and backed up our current one but it was mildly complicated and I didn't have enough time to risk it, so the security update will have to wait a bit.

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What do you think about making a big deal

about the upgrade, like relaunching the site? Tweak the style so it looks a little different, redo the top banner, maybe add whatever functionality the new version comes with by default, and then announce the roll out all over to try to get new people to come?

We could have some planned essays and events to go with it. For example Tlaloc and I are going to do a joint science/art project on surrealism and recognition/cognition that we could save up. We could also feature some of the greatest hits and just repost them for new comments, which would be easy and showcase some of the best of SC. Maybe have a featured debate, get a guest poster, or whatever else would be fun and interesting.

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then I should go to an even newer version

instead of just upgrading the version. Let me check if the 6.x has all the functionality working already. I was waiting to see if it got there and it's probably feasible.

That might be a very good idea.

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they want to give me a new hybrid? Naaa. I want

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Calvin and Hobbes

are the best =)

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Yes they were. Between them, Bloom County & The Far Side

I was a happy guy in the mornings.

For now though, I'll just have to make due with the world commentary of Tom Tomorrow's This Modern World favicon

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Senate Chain Restaurants...

Ever get to eat in the Senate dining hall(s)? The workers ae lushly paid 37,000/yr+pension (as opposed to what those awful private businesses pay their workers).

Oh, by the way: the Senate is moving to privatize its food service:

WASHINGTON, June 9 (UPI) -- The U.S. Senate has approved a measure to privatize its money-losing, publicly subsidized network of restaurants.

The financial condition prompted the move to take the chain of publicly subsidized Senate Restaurants, as the network is officially known, private-- or face seeking a $250,000 taxpayer subsidy to meet July's payroll, The Washington Post reported Monday.

I know what you're thinking: WHY does the Senate have it's own chain

of government-run restaurants? Could you imagine how long it would take to get your food? Here are some of the wonderful attributes of this fantastic business:

Senate Restaurants has been profitable seven of its 44 years in business, a Government Accounting Office report said.

According to auditors, the chain of restaurants run by the Senate food service, including the snooty Senate Dining Room, has almost never been in the black. It's lost more than $18 million since 1993 and dropped about $2 million last year alone.

By comparison, here is what the House has done:

The House of Representatives made the switch (to private vendors) in the 1980s, and its food service is now better. And profitable: the House has made $1.2 million in commissions since 2003.

Man, I can wait for these guys to get their hands on health care. It's going to be great.

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Are the politicians paying for their own food?

Serious question -- I'm sort of surprised there isn't a (taxpayer funded) per diem.

I wanna know what they eat =)

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Yeah...

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Let them eat KFC

Or maybe turn the Senate restaurant into a Subway franchise. They have a deal now where you can get a footlong sandwich for $5.

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The problem...

Man, I can wait for these guys to get their hands on health care. It's going to be great.

...is that feteing our overlords leaders with lavish meals is yet another aristocratic hold over that has no place in an egalitarian society.

In other words, it has no bearing on the healthcare issue.

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Exactly

The point of that restaurant was to feed Congressmen. And most restaurants fail anyway.

The point of some form of government run Health Care is to insure the uninsured.

And the government is a not for profit entity, it should be run at break even.

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Viagra Anarchist commie?

I've been hacked! (Though the previous comment was indeed mine). I had a black bar and was like "what's going on?"

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Ah, yes, sorry about that

A number of accounts had spam inserted.

That's what prompted Ender to start looking at upgrading, to get the latest version and hopefully plug whatever security hole allowed those forms to be accessed.

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Thanks for the heads up

I'll try out this gold bar for awhile and see how I like it.

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What do you figure a gold bar signifies?

Other than that's more money than I have in MY pocket right now.

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Erections and freedom for all! -nt.

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Are environmentalists going to be the death of us all?

(yes, I know that is their true goal ... but still ...)

Mandated ethonol production and subsidies are already driving up food prices all over the world. Now the climate alarmists want major reductions in CO2 emissions. Here is an interesting piece on some of the potential implications of such a policy:


In praise of CO2


With less heat and less carbon dioxide, the planet could become less hospitable and less green.

Planet Earth is on a roll! GPP is way up. NPP is way up. To the surprise of those who have been bearish on the planet, the data shows global production has been steadily climbing to record levels, ones not seen since these measurements began.

GPP is Gross Primary Production, a measure of the daily output of the global biosphere -- the amount of new plant matter on land. NPP is Net Primary Production, an annual tally of the globe's production. Biomass is booming. The planet is the greenest it's been in decades, perhaps in centuries.

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The results surprised Steven Running of the University of Montana and Ramakrishna Nemani of NASA, scientists involved in analyzing the NASA data. They found that over a period of almost two decades, the Earth as a whole became more bountiful by a whopping 6.2%. About 25% of the Earth's vegetated landmass -- almost 110 million square kilometres -- enjoyed significant increases and only 7% showed significant declines. When the satellite data zooms in, it finds that each square metre of land, on average, now produces almost 500 grams of greenery per year.

Why the increase? Their 2004 study, and other more recent ones, point to the warming of the planet and the presence of CO2, a gas indispensable to plant life. CO2 is nature's fertilizer, bathing the biota with its life-giving nutrients. Plants take the carbon from CO2 to bulk themselves up -- carbon is the building block of life -- and release the oxygen, which along with the plants, then sustain animal life. As summarized in a report last month, released along with a petition signed by 32,000 U. S. scientists who vouched for the benefits of CO2: "Higher CO2 enables plants to grow faster and larger and to live in drier climates. Plants provide food for animals, which are thereby also enhanced. The extent and diversity of plant and animal life have both increased substantially during the past half-century."

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Doubling the jeopardy for Earth is man. Unlike the many scientists who welcome CO2 for its benefits, many other scientists and most governments believe carbon dioxide to be a dangerous pollutant that must be removed from the atmosphere at all costs. Governments around the world are now enacting massive programs in an effort to remove as much as 80% of the carbon dioxide emissions from the atmosphere.

If these governments are right, they will have done us all a service. If they are wrong, the service could be all ill, with food production dropping world wide, and the countless ecological niches on which living creatures depend stressed. The second order effects could be dire, too. To bolster food production, humans will likely turn to energy intensive manufactured fertilizers, depleting our store of non-renewable resources. Techniques to remove carbon from the atmosphere also sound alarms. Carbon sequestration, a darling of many who would mitigate climate change, could become a top inducer of earthquakes, according to Christian Klose, a geohazards researcher at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. Because the carbon sequestration schemes tend to be located near cities, he notes, carbon-sequestration-caused earthquakes could exact an unusually high toll.

[More at the link above...]

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Just FYI

Most environmentalists that I am aware of were/are against the ethanol subsidies, so heap your scorn elsewhere.

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Interesting. Do you have any pointers?

If so I might consider revising my opinion here ...

What were their primary reasons for opposing the subsidies? I would have assumed that they preferred the pursuit of alternative energy sources and especially renewable ones such as ethanol?

Was it because ethanol production requires more energy to produce than you get in return, or some such? I think that's right but I can't swear by it.

Even so, the environmentalists are for reductions in CO2 emissions, aren't they, or do I have that wrong too?

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Some links

Well, environmentalists aren't a monolithic block of people that all think the same way (despite what you may think!), but here are a few quick links I've unearthed:

Environmentalists Burn Ethanol Hype as Empty Promise favicon

Yet Another Reason to Gripe About Ethanol: Water favicon

Growing Better Biofuels favicon 

 

 

 

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Great, thanks for the links.

It does, indeed, appear that some notable environmentalists are against the ethanol boom. Some of the reasons expressed are what we would all expect.

The one about water is actually curious to me. Since the ethanol in question is not for human consumption I would think that it could be produced using waste water effluent ("clean" of course) instead of requiring drinking grade water. If one was innovative here, the ethanol production could actually become part of the waste water processing I would think.

I assume that part of the big energy requirement for ethanol production is that the "mash" is boiled at some point which should eliminate any unwanted pathogens as a natural part of the production process. I'm just brainstorming here, so don't start throwing stones if there is a flaw here some place.

Anyway, thanks.

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The ethanol boom

does not come from environmentalists. It comes from farm state interests who, rightly, saw a lucrative new market for farm products.

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Water

The water link was more for the tone ("Even after all our interminable rants about the silliness of ethanol from corn...") than the actual point. Still, while you are probably correct that corn destined for ethanol could use waste water, I'd be surprised if in most cases it actually does. I'm also not sure if a farmer knows whether the corn he's growing is going to be cattle feed or ethanol mash from the get-go. They might just sell it at harvest to whomever is willing to buy.

But I don't know enough about it myself to throw any stones at your speculation - sounds right to me.

By the way, there is much more hope among environmentalists for breakthroughs in cellulosic ethanol (from algae especially) as a sustainable fuel source. (The third link has some insight on that one.) 

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Environmentalists don't like the combustion engine.

That alone should have been apparent to you.

You are the Joe Lieberman as cheerleader for the Democrat Party for environmentalism.

(yea, I know...it's supposed to be Democratic Party but that's part of my point)

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Fair enough.

Environmentalists don't like the combustion engine.

But unless they acknowledge the need for world-wide transportation and distribution mechanisms, all of which will require some form of energy, then they will simply be fulfilling the caricature of them as wanting to demolish the world's economy and hating the human race (i.e. considering us to be the primary problem ... and hence my hyperbolic point that they want us all dead since the planet would be better off without us).

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batteries & the electric engine

maybe you'd like to comment on the matter that the bush Administration cancelled all R&D into batteries that would fit this kind of bill, hmmm?

We could reach the moon in 10 years. We can certainly build a battery that would power a passenger vehicle for 400 miles if we wanted to.

I want to & I can't afford a Tesla.

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Batteries?

How do you plan to charge them?

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solar, hydro, volcanic steam, tidal or nuclear

won't pollute.

What's your problem? You only like stuff that burns? That's so caveman like.

I'm talking about a future where oil isn't king and we aren't held hostage by foreign nations that don't particularly like us.

I'm looking forward. What about you?

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Even coal

Yes, it's dirty. But it's better than buying oil from the Saudis and we have more coal than they have oil.

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Oh, Great!

It all makes sense.

McCain promises to give something to all dehydrated babies:


And how does he expect to pay for this venture? You guessed it: by taking away our beer!


I'm not the best public speaker, but does anyone sense that we have another Bush on our hands in more ways than just policy? :-)

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Ha! I'm not at all surprised.

Are these two comments actually related in any way or were they two unrelated comments that just fit your meme nicely?

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He was asked

at a press briefing where all the hot water would come from, and the latter was his response. j/k

Freud could have a field day with those two slips, eh? :-)

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What a maroon ... (McCain, not you) :)

(and yes, I meant to type maroon)

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So you don't like your Federal office nominees...

Who looks good to you at the state level?

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Romney? n/t

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No, no...I meant who is running at GR's state level

that imprsses him. Hopefully there are good candidates for other offices to him.

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Not likely

We don't have any statewide offices up for election in 2008 except for the unexpired term for AG. The Ds and Rs haven't nominated anyone, but the Chair of the Ohio Constitution Party is running as an indy. I'll probably vote for him.

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Still busy...

What happened to the open threads? Apparently I need to come back right quick! :-)

I hope everyone's doing well.

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Come back soon!

We need you!

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It is the economy, stupid.

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BRational

Could you pretty please, with peaches and whipped cream, write a brief dairy on your stats, that I only remember vaguely, on how tax cuts function in terms of making the govt larger or smaller.

I really liked your comment on that but can't seem to find it.

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Keep your damned hands off my beer!

Last thing I want is for my beer to be vetoed. favicon

Ronnie had alzenheimers the last several years in office. We don't need to see that again.

I'd love to get that image as a stand alone.

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Too bad for this women,

that I was in Illionois before Obama was a state congressmen. The roads were horrible even back then.

Obama tries to send earmarks of matching funds back to Illinois for various luxaries like, roads. Obama's state is so broke though because of his actions as a Senator, they can't even come with the money so they can get the matching funds. How stupid is that? Illinois people used to make jokes about us here in Indiana. That's stopped now because now they're moving here because here is where the jobs are, and our roads don't have potholes.

Hollis Stacey, Ft. Wayne IN (Sent Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:13 AM) [from the link in dkos]

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Obama won't veto my beer though.

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