An Independent's Perspective on Nader and Left Factionalization

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The bigger third part threat this

election year may be from Bob Barr on the Libertarian line. Re Nader, is he running as an independant or on the Green Party line.? I remember reading that former Rep. Cynthia McKinney was seeking the Green Party nomination.

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The minor party candidates are as follows:

Bob Barr - Libertarian
Cynthia McKinney - Green (they still have the convention, but she's the presumptive nominee)
Chuck Baldwin - Constitution

Nader is an independent.

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Ranked voting would be much better

I wonder if the entrenched interests are so committed to the two party system that such reforms just aren't given a chance.

It seems such an obvious improvement to allow people to convey more information with their ballot.

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blame nader

I thought that the DKos poster was making a pretty reasonable case for strategic voting, rather than simply blaming Nader for Gore's defeat. With that being said, I think that the Dems who do "blame Nader" are a bunch of arrogant crybabies looking for a scapegoat--it's not their place to dictate that the electoral system be organized in a way that favors their favorite candidate.

Anyway, these "electoral activists" are necessarily focused on the next election. We won't have a ranked choice ballot by then, so it is kinda irrelevant to them.

I do think that it would be better to have a ranked ballot. Likewise, I think the Dems can win some "democratic credibility" if they were to implement ranked ballots in the cities that they dominate (even at the risk of letting in non-Dems). Both Obama and Dean have promoted ranked ballots...but I don't think that we'll see them any time soon on the national ballot.

 Ballot reform is really a local issue (and an issue for other governmental organizations, such as student/professional organizations)

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The overriding point is that Democrats love to blame Nader, but they aren't keen on doing anything to make the spoiler effect go the way of the dinosaur. They'd rather keep their first-past-the-post system and take their chances than reform the system so that there'd be no more spoilers. I think it's part and parcel of the "at least we're better than the other guys" strategy that both parties love to exploit. A credible 3rd/4th party on the left and right flanks would keep the Ds and Rs honest.

Ballot reform needn't be a local issue. Congress has the power to dictate ballot access requirements for federal elections. Ron Paul usually introduces a bill every year that provides for uniform requirements.

Another peculiar thing about our ballot access laws is that we discriminate between major/minor parties and independents. In the UK, you need something like 5 or 10 signatures on a petition and a £500 deposit. If you get 5% of the vote, you get the deposit back. The UK has a pretty stable 3-party system. Canadian ballot access is very much the same and they have 4 national parties.

I haven't ever heard a good reason why ballot access should be different for minor parties/independents as compared to the Big 2.

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