The Politics and Reality of Energy in 2008

The cost of energy is a big concern on people's minds and naturally figures heavily in the electoral rhetoric heading into November and it will only get heavier. But, of course, that's about all it will do. The blunt reality of it all is that nothing either McCain or Obama have in mind will lower energy costs in the short term....and pretty much for the longer term. This is of course is not really a shocking revelation to many but it does put on damper on the hopeful and uplifting feeling many will get when listening to their preferred candidate speak on the matter.

Via The Economist and earlier via Mark Thoma , we have an interview with MIT professor Robert Pindyck assessing the energy policies of the candidates and energy realities binding them to real life.

To those with some memories, this territory has been covered in some previous diaries. An optimistic look at emerging solutions vs. empty chatter. A more glum assessment . See also here .

Pindyck with the unsexy truth:

Neither of the candidate's plans would have any impact [on short term energy costs]. The one exception would be McCain's proposal to eliminate tariffs on the importation of Brazilian ethanol. It would immediately reduce the cost of ethanol...

Most of the proposals are political and they involve subsidies to alternative energy sources. A lot of those subsidies are just ways of providing pork for different groups...

Look, what are going to be needed ultimately is a tax on carbon and a tax on gasoline -- a large one. Another way to have a tax on carbon is to have a cap-and-trade system so you only allow a certain amount of carbon dioxide to be emitted. That will raise the cost of carbon. A gasoline tax would greatly reduce gasoline use. It would create the incentives we need for other energy sources, including conservation.

No candidate is willing to get up and say, "We need a to have a high tax on gasoline." In fact, McCain wants to suspend the federal tax on gasoline for the summer and Obama didn't. Nobody is going to say, "We want to make sure we have a tax in place so gasoline prices are always going to be high." That encourages people to drive smaller cars and to conserve and that brings about investments in new technology. When people know that gas prices and fuel prices will stay high because of taxes, it means they have incentive to develop alternative energy supplies.

IOW, they cannot show the way. All they can do is block or obstruct one way knowing people will need to find another. Who's ready to do that? Well, neither in my opinion.

Yet another reason to just think about foreign policy and keep low to no expectations on most of the rest.

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Well said, John. More info,

Well said, John.

More info, FYI:

Analysis by the Energy Information Administration (of Dept. of Energy) on “Impacts of Increased Access to Oil and Natural Gas Resources in the Lower 48 Federal Outer Continental Shelf”
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html

(OCS = Outer Continental Shelf)

Excerpt, with bolding mine:

an OCS access case was prepared to examine the potential impacts of the lifting of Federal restrictions on access to the OCS in the Pacific, the Atlantic, and the eastern Gulf of Mexico…

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030… For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.

And by the way, if McCain continues to base his appeal on exploitation of ignorance on this issue (and on tax cuts), he may convince me to stay home in November rather than vote for him. Not only might I be simply too embarrassed to vote for him, but I don't like politicians and Americans generally to learn the lesson that phoniness and deception pay off big time (that's why I said early on in the primary campaign that I wouldn't even consider the ultimate phony, Flip Romney).

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High, but not too high

I prefer Obama's tax credit plan, but only for people making below a certain income. Gas needs to be high enough that we stop using it as a major fuel source, but cheap enough that it doesn't negatively impact the lower and middle class.

High gas prices are one of those things that are required, but unpopular. And as we've found, people are more willing to believe what requires the least amount of sacrifice from them and vote accordingly.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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McCain can kiss Iowa goodbye

He wants to eliminate ethanol subsidies and bring in cheaper Brazilian ethanol.

Maybe for an encore he can fly to Florida and suggest we eliminate the space program, or fly to Arkansas and talk about eliminating help for rice farmers or go to New Orleans and tell the folks down there how wasteful it is to build levees.

Maybe he can go to Colorado and tell everyone how states downriver might just be entitled to more water from the Colorado River basin. Oh wait .. he already did that.

McCain is his own worst enemy.

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Regardless of any other views he may hold,

wanting...

to eliminate ethanol subsidies and bring in cheaper Brazilian ethanol....

...is a good policy position in any objective sense.

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No it isn't

Just because something is cheaper somewhere else doesn't automatically make it the best thing for the American economy.

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well, depending on the choices at hand, it is.

We're talking about no longer subsidizing ethanol. THAT is good all by itself. Ethanol is a porky boondoggle that students will be laughing at in 100 years when they read their American history of the early 21st century.

As far as allowing Brazilian imports of sugar ethanol. That's fine too. I see no reason to inhibit it. Well, scratch that. I can think of lots of reasons to inhibit it. But none of them are good or good enough.

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I used to be for free trade

But the destruction it has wrought changed my outlook over the years.

Screw Brazil and its cheap ethanol.

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yikes.

what destruction are you referring to?

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The destruction to the jobs,

livelihoods and way of life of average working Americans -- people who get up every day and go off to jobs that barely cover the bills, folks who don't give a damn about global markets and just want to live at least as good as their parents.

It isn't too much to ask that these people be taken into account before we wily-nily throw the doors open to anything produced overseas that might save Exxon or Wal-Mart a few bucks.

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More middle ground

Free trade is, on average, better for the country, but does screw over some people who are subject to increased competition.

I agree that we need to help those who lose their jobs due to free trade, but at the same time we can't expect the government to prop up stodgy old business models and inefficient ways of doing things.

The free marketers either don't understand or are completely dense when they say "but now goods/services will be cheaper for everyone!". What they don't get/don't care to get is that for the people who were displaced, $.10 cheaper widgets don't really matter when you're unemployed.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Darn it, Stiner

You were doing great sticking to truthful generalities. Then to provide "balance", you picked a specific yet hypothetical scenario while speculating as to what people understand.

10 cents cheaper? Far, FAR more than that in most cases. Then there's the added layer of jobs...not just retail jobs at Wal Mart...but also manufacturing, clerical and higher paying white collar jobs that are CREATED here because of expansion due to trade as well as foreign companies investing in factories and whatnot over here. And don't forget those domestic jobs created and SUSTAINED by free trade in terms of exporting AND the ability to import lower cost components. Then there are the ancillary jobs and businesses created simply because people can afford them now....like massage therapists, personal therapists and so on. So many levels. It boggles the mind.

Help the displaced. Fine. But don't stop the wheels of progress for other 99% of the population.

Remember, people lose their jobs everyday and most for non-free-trade reasons. Let's not let the image of closing factory seem more wide spread and common than it really is.

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I wish everyone who held a

I wish everyone who held a strong anti-free-trade positon simply because people lose their jobs (or wages are lowered) would tell me if they also would like to see severe restrictions on the adoption of new techonologies (particularly information technology and manufacturing automation) that reduces the need for labor and thus causes people to lose jobs as a direct effect. In other words, I wish they'd answer my question at http://swordscrossed.org/node/1662

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Don't hold your breath

strong anti-trade positions require selectively skewed and one-dimensional thinking.

One closing plant over-rides everything else (including the building of new plants) and is always seen to be bigger than it really is.

It's imagery. And it's hard to shake it off when you believe it to be omnipotent and omnipresent.

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That was one heck of a

That was one heck of a cost/benefit analysis, quaoar. Very rational.

(Is there an emoticon for sarcasm? If not, there should be)

Here's a bit of recommended reading http://select.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/opinion/20friedman.html (not that you should let information affect your opinion. Reminds me: a good friend of mine in college used to say, half-jokingly, during the informal political debates we'd have, "I don't need facts. I have opinions.")

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Maybe so, but that postion

Maybe so, but that postion is very much to McCain's credit, and Obama's to his discredit.

And I remember McCain at the 2000 Iowa debate telling the crowd that he opposed ethanol subsidies and that if the Iowa caucuses weren't the first contest, everyone else on that stage would oppose them, too. That's what I call brass balls, and one of the reasons I liked the guy so much back then.

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Too bad he's gone

Its also why I liked him in 2000. He was willing to do what was right even if it was not popular. Now he's just your average pandering politician.

If McCain 2000 was in the race, I'd have a hard time deciding for whom to vote.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Agree with your first

Agree with your first paragraph.

As for your second, if McCain 2000 were in the race, I wouldn't be struggling with the choice between voting for the 2008 version vs. staying at home in November. And I'd devote time and $ to his campaign. Where have you gone Joe D....er, John McCain?

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