Good Reading for Democrats and Liberals

This isn't so much a diary as it is a special post. Following up on this recent diary I wrote about the Sarah Palin speech, I present a posting today by Democrat and economics professor Mark Thoma titled Do Democrats Need to Learn Some Respect? . It strikes me as an apt follow up to this post he made about small towns and politics following the Palin speech which begins like this:

When you grow up in a small or mid-sized town, over time you come to realize that people from bigger towns, in general, have a condescending attitude about how and where you grew up. I think it starts to really dawn on you in junior high and high school as you begin interact with kids from bigger cities, and college certainly reinforces this feeling.

You couldn't possibly be up on the latest cool trends, be as sophisticated, be as savvy, etc., as they are because you grew up out in the sticks.

People who live in these areas are not, however, fools. They think that the people who think this way - the city boys - lack even the basics of common sense

You can tell how the rest will go. Thoma seems quite sensitive to watching liberals reinforce this "cultural elitism" that hurts their appeal in middle America.

But in his latest posting about learning respect, he writes a thoughtful entry that ends with this question:

If you don't truly respect the lifestyle and cultural beliefs and traditions of the religious or the working class, why do you expect them to vote with you? Maybe I'm wrong and Democrats do, in fact, have the greatest respect for alternative value systems and lifestyles, but sometimes I wonder. But if you really do believe that your beliefs are better than theirs, is it any surprise that identity politics - the politics of resentment - works?:

Thoma's posting and question about respect were prompted by this article by Clive Crook (posted on Thoma's site) appearing originally in the FT.

I found Clive's article to be powerfully provocative one about the contradictions in Modern American Liberalism. Now I see lots of contradictions in Modern American Liberalism in terms of policy, intent, objectives and results....but what Clive is talking about goes much deeper into culture and social fabric. Do read the whole thing but here's the crux of it, IMO:

Democrats speak up for the less prosperous; they have well-intentioned policies to help them; they are disturbed by inequality, and want to do something about it. Their concern is real and admirable. The trouble is, they lack respect for the objects of their solicitude. Their sympathy comes mixed with disdain, and even contempt.

Democrats regard their policies as self-evidently in the interests of the US working and middle classes. Yet those wide segments of US society keep helping to elect Republican presidents. How is one to account for this? Are those people idiots? Frankly, yes – or so many liberals are driven to conclude. Either that or bigots, clinging to guns, God and white supremacy; or else pathetic dupes, ever at the disposal of Republican strategists. If they only had the brains to vote in their interests, Democrats think, the party would never be out of power. But again and again, the Republicans tell their lies, and those stupid damned voters buy it. ...[Liberals] will have to develop some regard for the values that the middle of the country expresses when it votes Republican. Religion. Unembarrassed flag-waving patriotism. Freedom to succeed or fail through one’s own efforts. Refusal to be pitied, bossed around or talked down to. And all those other laughable redneck notions that made the United States what it is.

Cook does note that, ironically, Obama is not an elitist but risks being painted that way because of the attitude that many of his supporters paint on him by association.

Food for thought. BTW, looking at the comments at Thoma's, his liberal readers, by and large, don't seem to get his concern.

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be a real liberal

In our society, "liberalism" is often a cultural signifier, and has lost its association with real open-mindedness and tolerance (philosophical liberalism). Thoma seems to be saying "let's be real liberals." As you might expect, the cultural liberals fire back with "we're the ones being attacked!"...but of course, that's beside the pont: if we're going to live up to the philosophical liberal ideals, we have to maintain that tolerance even when we feel threatened.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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You got it.

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Cultural vs. Philosophical

I see the same thing happening with conservatism. "Conservativism" has lost it's association with virtually everything that I used to admire about it, and has become almost entirely a cultural thing. It seems like all it really takes to be a conservative these days are to espouse evangelical Christian values and be willing to shake sticks at Muslim nations. Bonus points if you cut taxes, but it's OK if you simultaneously raise government spending and increase debt.

 

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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You are right...

We have lost our way, and Bush was the nail in that coffin you described.

I still think he was a good POTUS, we had 6 out of 8 years of record growth, and everyone was dizzy with prosperity, he fought terrorism and kept us safe.

But his domestic policies are horrendous! Spending up, didn't secure the border, didn't cut bureaucracy....etc

Another reason we are all so jazzed to have Sarah Palin, who espouses core conservative values on this ticket!

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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See, now I don't get this

What makes Sarah Palin conservative? I get the social conservative part, that's obvious. But as mayor, she massively increased the debt, increased the sales tax, asked for and got lots of cash in federal earmarks... As governor, she used state money to promote the damned aerial hunting initiative that had already been twice voted down by Alaska voters, continued with the massive federal earmark requests, increased the state budget...

How is any of this fiscally conservative?

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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What makes her fiscally conservaitve?

Simple answer.

Lies!

The future of conservatism = the new GOP chant, "Drill Baby Drill" as the heads bob up and down.

Sounds like a great vision for the future........ of the oil companies.

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I think some out there are mixing up evangelical & conservative.

Sarah Palin has left both Wasilla & Alaska deeply in debt. When faced with what to do about the oil tax revenue, instead of paying off the State debt she chose to bribe the citizens with $1,200.00 checks.

It's her beliefs of forcing her religion into other citizens lives that makes her a conservative now. Where libertarianism used to have some similarities to Barry Goldwater's conservatism, that isn't how they define themselves any more. It's sad too. I miss the fiscally conservative but socially liberal conservatives I grew up around.

And when you start looking at their social views, they don't just want to stop anyone from getting abortions, they don't want fellow citizens to be able to use the majority of birth control out there now. Birth control equals abortion when discussing IUD's, the pill, depro provera, and some others.

Why is it that the hardcore's of the Western religions have such difficulty with sex?

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Is this a surprise......?

That mix up was/is intentional.

Did you forget that God is a Republican?

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see my comment

here to answer the last question.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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OK, lets just get rid of these Palin rumors right here & now...

Here's a good example of what makes her fiscally conservative.

She did push for and approve the Wasilla Sports Center. Yes, it did cost a lot of money. (People keep saying $20 million, that article says $14.5 million, but then they also added a $1.2 million dollar food service/kitchen piece. This year, after Palin was out of office as Mayor.) Yes, the city went into debt to do it (how did you buy your house, bunkie?) and raised the city sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent to pay for it. Yes, the city is paying it off early .

She did want authority to have wolves culled from the air, because
they were taking too many moose and caribou. Which people hunt for food
in the back country in Alaska.

She wasn’t a member of the (wild-eyed libertarian) Alaska independence Party, although her husband once was .

Yes, it does appear that Palin’s local pastor preached about an end time when God will judge everyone, even Wasilla, Alaska, and the United States .
Duh. This is called the Book of Revelations, and while I don’t believe
it personally, I don’t see it as a disqualifier for the hundred million
or so Baptists, Methodists, Evangelicals, Episcopalians, Catholics,
Assembly of God, Presbyterian, Lutherans (traditional and Missouri
Synod), African Methodist, and so on Christians in the US.

She did try to cut her own salary as Mayor by $4000 a year ; yes, she had voted against the $4000 a year raise while on the City Council.

She didn’t cut funding for unwed mothers ; yes, she did increase it by “only” 354 percent instead of 454 percent, as part of a multi-year capital expenditures program.
No, the Washington Post doesn’t appear to have corrected their story.
Even after this was pointed out in the comments on the story.

She didn’t cut special needs student funding; yes, she did raise it by “only” 175 percent .

She did ask the librarian if some books could be withdrawn because
of being offensive; no, they couldn’t; yes, it was “rhetorical”, as was reported contemporaneously in 1996; yes she did threaten to fire the librarian a month later; no, that
wasn’t over the books thing but instead over administrative issues; no,
the librarian wasn’t fired.

She believes kids should learn about condom use in schools.

Yes, she did finally turn down the money for the bridge . Yes, that meant changing her mind about it.

Yes, she was vetted extensively , not just in three days.

If you want more, Charles Martin at Explorations has them.

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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I realize that you've at least linked to the source here...

...but I really don't like how you repeatedly copy your stuff from other sources and make it seem like you actually wrote this stuff, but really you've just rearranged someone else's writing and added or subtracted a word here and there, and mixed in your own writing.  When you're using someone else's material in this fashion you need to give them credit!  Use blockquotes, and indicate your edits, or else suffer my repeated harassment for not doing so!

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I didn't-I put the place to see them at the bottom! n/t

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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See stinerman's comment below

He apparently didn't follow that bottom link and therefore it seems that he was misled into believing that this post was of your own creation, when it is not.  That's part of the reason why you should use blockquotes when you are copying and pasting material from anouther source, and you shouldn't mix in your own words with someone else's without indicating what's yours and what's not yours. 

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You can not link and block quote together though? n/t

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Sure you can!

Ever tried it?  There's no trick to it... just select all the text you want to quote and hit the "indent" button. Simple as pie.

 

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Too many links

You're underminded your own case.

You lead off with talk that she is a fiscal conservative and then link to several pieces that she increased two government programs by 354% and 175%. That doesn't sound fiscally conservative. And before you talk about balanced budgets, Alaska (like most states) already require balanced budgets.

Quite a bit of the rest is more about pointing out rampant hypocrisy than anything else. The Rev. Wright story didn't bother most liberals, but it was apparently a big hit with conservatives. I highly doubt most honest liberals really care about Sarah Palin's pastor, but they talk about it as a means to highlight the double standard inherent in the Republicans' arguments.

I think its more than obvious both parties make bad-faith arguments in order to make the other side look bad.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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No sir I disagree strongly.

You're underminded your own case.

No, I think not, lets see?

You lead off with talk that she is a fiscal conservative and then
link to several pieces that she increased two government programs by
354% and 175%. That doesn't sound fiscally conservative. And before you
talk about balanced budgets, Alaska (like most states) already require
balanced budgets.

That was when she was a Mayor, no Balanced Budget Requirement there Bro. And Fiscal conservatives still spend money. You see, she was savagely accused of cutting those particular programs, but in reality she cut the increases. 

Quite a bit of the rest is more about pointing out rampant hypocrisy
than anything else. The Rev. Wright story didn't bother most liberals,
but it was apparently a big hit with conservatives. I highly doubt most
honest liberals really care about Sarah Palin's pastor, but they talk
about it as a means to highlight the double standard inherent in the
Republicans' arguments.

Not quite a bit Stinerman, read all of it. But in defense of that, I don't know about liberals in General, but Miss Liberty went off half cocked about the pastor and the librarian the other day trying to make a big deal about it, so I addressed several issues in this post, not just being Fiscally Conservative.

I think its more than obvious both parties make bad-faith arguments in order to make the other side look bad.

Whatever, that may be true, or it may not, it is irrelevant as it relates to this portion of the thread, these are specifically addressed to those accusations regarding Sarah Palin I have been faced with here on SC.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Wait a sec

You're claiming that Palin balanced the budget when she was mayor? Is there evidence for that in any of your links above? Because everything I have read on the subject says that she began her term as mayor with a balanced budget, and left with the town $19 million in debt. And this after increasing the budget 63%!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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With the exception of the expenditure for a...

...sports complex.

Increasing a budget is not a bad thing in and of itself. If someone is fiscally sound, borrows to add value to there home via an pool or addition, that is not being fiscally un-conservative. It is a good investment and serves the needs of the inhabitants.

Sarah Palin ran a tight ship, but they built a sports complex that added debt to the bottom line. In fact the town is paying that debt off early.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Agreed on the "horrendous" domestic policies, but..

6 out of 8 years of record growth

Record growth?? of what... government spending?  In exactly what area have we had record growth in any year of the Bush Presidency?

Everybody "dizzy with prosperity?"   Who exactly was this?  Even during the Bush Recovery, job and wage growth were tepid when compared to previous recoveries.  Any "prosperity" to be had was due to cash-out refinances made possible because of rising home prices, which are dropping like a rock now and millions of Americans are ending up in the poor house.  That's not real prosperity, that's a house of cards!  Maybe you are"dizzy" with whatever it is that you've been smoking!

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Are you really that proud of yourself...LOL!

...You're keeping that signature? hmm... self esteem issues?

So when you lose this one, maybe you'll post a new one that say's, once upon a time I was...

During his first term, President Bush has signed into law three major tax cuts, including the largest in two decades – and since the summer of 2003, America has had the fastest-growing economy of any major industrialized nation in the world. Under President Bush’s leadership, the economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years. The homeownership rate has been at a record high. Interest and mortgage rates have been near historic lows. The core rate of inflation over the past year ranks among its lowest in 40 years. The rate of growth of Federal spending is slowing, jobs are being created at a brisk pace (1.3 million jobs in the first six months of this year), and the unemployment rate today remains below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.

The economic growth encouraged by the president's tax cuts is now producing sharply increased federal tax receipts--up by nearly 15% in fiscal year 2005 alone, nearly 12% in fiscal year 2006, and projected to rise nearly 7% in the fiscal year that will end this month. That is the highest growth in tax receipts in consecutive years since 1981. As a result, tax revenue as a percentage of our economy is now above the 40-year historical average. Under the circumstances, it's pretty hard for anyone to argue that the American people are under-taxed. Even at a lower rate of taxation, the hard work and productivity of Americans is generating more tax dollars than ever before.

...the federal government is too big and spends too much money--we've agreed on that point since we both worked in the Ford administration more than 30 years ago. President Bush feels the same way, and that's why he has steadily reduced the annual rate of growth in non-security discretionary spending. In contrast, the last budget enacted during the Clinton/Gore administration increased that category of spending by a staggering 15%. President Bush has pressed hard to keep that spending under control--and this year's increase will actually be lower than the rate of inflation for the third year in a row.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Heh-- straight off of whitehouse.gov

...and even there they don't claim "6 of 8 years of record growth".  Neither his claim, nor any equivalent claim, is made anywhere in your sources. I see a pattern here-- you also tried to back up your false claims that Sarah Palin commanded a nuclear wing of the Alaska National Guard as governor with a picture of Alaska National Guardsmen looking at a missile while touring a facility... and the missile wasn't even nuclear!  It seems that when words fail you, you resort to copying some random stuff from somewhere off the web that doesn't in any way prove your false claims, and then you act like it's game, set, match.

Bad news though: it's not going be that easy for you, at least not while I'm around.  So let's try this again: which 6 years of the Bush Administration did we have this "record growth"?  Can you answer that in your own words and provide supporting sources and statistics? 

 

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It goes both ways

Just to be clear, this problem of respect does go both ways. Another problem is that some people have inferiority complexes (sometimes associated with these issues) and even if you initially feel very comfortable around them and think of them as an equal, they can start accusing you of thinking that you're better than them...then it gets uncomfortable.

I think some of these divisions arise from cultural or ideological differences being percieved as personal slights. For example, if you aren't gung-ho about military service and military action, then some soldiers might extrapolate that you think that they're idiots for risking their lives. There are all types of ways that people can interpret your behavior as insulting, which often makes it stressful to be around people from different cultural backgrounds.

Unfortunately, there are many cultural separations in America, and many politicians have made it worse by explicitly politicizing those separations.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Maybe if we all subscribe to American Culture....

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Do Republicans need to learn some respect?

I'd say it cuts both ways.

When you live in an area where Republicans are a large majority -- like Alabama -- there is a tendency to look at liberals like unpatriotic scum who want the terrorists to win.

qui tacet consentire

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Hey Quaoar - Lost track of ya last night? ;-)

.. I found a little bar in Albuquerque NM we could do this at... ;-)

Why did Alabama let Florida take all their beach front property anyway?

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Why is this such a one-way street?

It's a perfect valid criticism that there are big city liberals who have condescending attitudes toward rural America - in fact, we periodically battle that kind of narrow ignorance on sites like dkos.

But I never see an essay about conservatives' equally condescending dismissal of liberal areas of the country. The press was quick to jump on Palin's comments about Obama's attitude towards the rural working class, but then Palin capped it off with a dismissive comment about "San Francisco", which is the conservative target of choice.

Apparently it's okay to suggest that San Franciscans aren't real Americans, or to dismiss "San Francisco values" as inferior, without fear of reprisal. Ditto the East Coast, which got an equally negative shot out from her.

Now, there's a good political reason why this unbalance occurs: Democrats need Middle America to win, but Republicans hardly need San Francisco and have given up on the East Coast. It's also a fair point that Democrats are making an appeal to the values of Middle America, while Republicans are outright battling the values they associate with San Francisco. So legitimate points there.

And we could group this into a larger issue that liberals (including myself) are sometimes guilty of: patronization. If you read blogs by people of color, they constantly complain that they're biggest hurdle to progress is well-meaning liberals who somewhat condescendingly think they know better for those communities.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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San Francisco was...

the place and group he made those comments too.

Sarah Palin was not "picking" San Francisco for no particular, or particular reason other than that fact.

So, it would follow, why did BO say one thing to one group, and talk smack to the SF group.

Seems as though your ire is misplaced?

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Oh, San Francisco has a long history

of being in the Republican party's targets. I'd be willing to call that an innocent comment on her part were it not such a standard slur by Republican politicians, with a very definite effect in mind. Credit Pelosi as the reason for this particular angle of attack, but it's been used by Gingrich, Hastert, O'Reilly, etc.

But, I'll concede your point: in this case, Palin had a legit reason to name drop the city. I don't think that's why she did it, but that's just my impression, given that this is a regular strategy.

(On a digression: if you want to see the apex of San-Franciscophobia, this attack ad by a Republican politician in Kansas City is a hilarious must-see.)

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Come on Pico..

I just watched it, and she is unequivocally referring to Barack Obama, and how he says one thing to a group in Scranton, and another (Infamous) thing to another group in SF.

The implication you've drawn is by your awareness, as is everyone's, that SF is a bastion of...well...un-conservative behavior and ideas, is true, but not relevant to this case, I don't believe.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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You're probably right

Palin probably meant to say Macon, Ga., or Pensacola, Fla., or Meridian, Miss., and San Francisco just slipped out of her mouth by accident. Honest mistake, I'm sure.

qui tacet consentire

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Apparently you're not even reading what he said. NT.

NT.

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I can read just fine

My Southern education has learned me real good.

qui tacet consentire

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I'm sure you can

apparently you're not.

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Also in politics, obviously the Elite

is a good target for attack. You attack the big city elite or the eastern elite. But it would sound pretty silly to attack the rural elite, the small town elite or even the southern elite.

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The elite is one thing,

although even then an unfair grouping, but an easy enough target. Since when are entire cities and/or seaboards "the elite"?

There's an unbalance between the expectations of what constitutes a legitimate complaint about the population of an area. The East Coast can be derided for being snooty, out-of-touch, patronizing, and condescending (and many people from that area often are), but the South cannot be derided for being ignorant, stubborn, hostile to criticism, and with a giant inferiority complex (though there are many people from that area who fit that description perfectly).

I've been very outspoken elsewhere about dismissive attitudes by liberals toward the South. It would be nice to see someone on the right suggesting that slurring the coasts is equally uncalled for.

But as I said, the real issue is political gain, not moral standing. That's why indignation at either side is a little silly.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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It would be nice but you and I only hear crickets.

It goes against their core beliefs. Modern American conservatism requires that a good conservative always assigns blame to political opponents and never admits to any failures or transgretions. Maybe it's a corollary of Reagan's 11th commandment, I don't know.

While I understand that stance as far as political expediency goes, I can't respect those that won't take responsibility for their own actions.

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Talking about the pot calling the kettle black? Yikes! n/t

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Well considering the South has been, and is

the butt of many jokes, and whole comedy shows, some folks probably just figure there giving the coasts and big cities their fair share.

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I don't disagree, although

I could make a long, long list of all the movies and tv shows that show some cosmopolitan swaggerer getting lost among the rural rubes, and then discovering that their simple lifestyle is so much richer than life in the big city. As far as pop culture goes, the insults are slung both ways. In politics, it's only acceptable in one direction.

Now, I don't think any of this is acceptable, I'm just fascinated that it's very much a one-way street.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Don't hold your breath

It would be nice to see someone on the right suggesting that slurring the coasts is equally uncalled for.

qui tacet consentire

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I think Huck would

I could see Huckabee doing it.

He might be a bit too heavy on the God talk, but I think he's a pretty nice guy. Wouldn't want him running my country though.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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He might

So the tally is one guy who may or may not. He does seem like a genuinely nice guy, which is probably why he isn't the nominee.

qui tacet consentire

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it's really a dispute between middle class whites

One of the failings of Thoma's essay is that he accepts the frame that Democrats (or Democratic activists, at least) are more prosperous/privileged than their Republican counterparts.

That's just ridiculous. There are plenty of poor people in the Democratic coalition -- in fact, here in Pittsburgh essentially everyone is a Democrat and the Republican strongholds are the upper-middle class suburbs. All of the old steel towns are solidly Democratic.

Conversely, Republican politicians (and probably their delegates also) show the same type of socio-economic skew as the Democratic politicos: some "silver spoon" dynasties, and a bunch of upper-middle class people, with a smattering of people from lower-middle class backgrounds.

Railing against the "coastal elite" is just pretending that the sucessful laywers and academics in the big cities are somehow more elite than the sucessful businessman who does business in a region with a bunch of small towns. 

 

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Depends what you mean by "elite"

What I've come to understand is that "elite" when spoken about from a small-town perspective has less to do with money and class than it does with attitudes about social values.

It's not about being socially "liberal" or "conservative". Rather it's seems best cited by some choice quotes from Thoma and Cook.

First Thoma:

When you grow up in a small or mid-sized town, over time you come to realize that people from bigger towns, in general, have a condescending attitude about how and where you grew up....You couldn't possibly be up on the latest cool trends, be as sophisticated, be as savvy

That's not about being conservative or liberal. It's about what makes measures the worth and quality of a human being. From a small town perspective, it's a disgust with people who measure that worth or quality of peoples on the basis of things that, quite frankly, DON'T matter to small town people. There, I can't say I disagree. It comes across as shallow and condescending.

Small town people who believe in personal responsibility, respect for others and a sense of self respect don't respond well to people who think the basic building blocks of society are elsewhere in some slick government program or abstract intellectual notions.

You can be incredibly educated, rich, well traveled, well-read, wise and pensive and still not give off a whiff of this elitism.

From Cook:

Democrats speak up for the less prosperous; they have well-intentioned policies to help them; they are disturbed by inequality, and want to do something about it. Their concern is real and admirable. The trouble is, they lack respect for the objects of their solicitude. Their sympathy comes mixed with disdain, and even contempt....Freedom to succeed or fail through one’s own efforts. Refusal to be pitied, bossed around or talked down to. And all those other laughable redneck notions that made the United States what it is.

Personally, I see a reinforce of the quote from Thoma as well as another way of seeing what I just said above.

"A lack of respect for the objects of their solicitude" hits it pretty well.

I common comment about all this small town people toward such elitists is:

A snake in the grass.....kinda like a used car salesman.

Can't say I blame them sometimes.

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Speaking as a small-towner

That's generally correct.

This is also why the "Mayor of Wasilla" argument won't do Obama/Biden any good. The implication here is that someone of a small town is somehow unable to shoulder responsibilities like the city slicker elite is.

If anyone would take the time to realize this isn't the argument but rather than small town politicians don't face the same challenges that large city politicians do. This large city experience prepares one for national office much better than does small town experience.

Of course, your average person doesn't see it that way. They just see the attack in terms of identity politics: Gov. Palin is a small-towner like me, and that big-city Chicagoan Obama is giving her a hard time about it. Therefore Obama is attacking me, so I should vote for McCain/Palin.

Ugh.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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Follow-up by Mark Thoma

On all of this.

see here

A follow up by Clive Cook is included. Apparently, he got more emails for his article than any other article he's ever written.

Aside from the standard "ARE YOU KIDDING ME????" emails, he says:

But these were outnumbered–vastly outnumbered–by emails from ex- or wavering Democrats who say they feel disappointed or betrayed by the party’s spokesmen and advocates. Who knew this strand of opinion even existed? ...

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Recent news on cultural contempt

Alcee Hastings recently made a public comment portraying hunters as hostile (or at least inconsiderate) towards minority (black and Jew) concerns. He should apologize for using that divisive language, but instead he apparently only tried to explain that he was just talking about Palin, and pretend that he wasn't relying on stereotypes of "hillbillies".

I don't know if this qualifies Hastings as a "coastal elitist", but as with Obama, this would be a great step forward for a black man:


Portrayal Of Obama As Elitist Hailed As Step Forward For African Americans

In other News; NPR, that bastion of liberal elitism ran a story this morning talking about how progressive Oxford Missisippi is...even saying that it's level of integration can put Manhattan to shame.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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