School Choice Hypocrisy

From Megan McArdle :

Sandra Tsing-Loh is shocked and hurt that Obama sends his daughters to an expensive private school rather than the local public schools.

Said Sandra:

Barack Obama sends his children to private school. As a rabid public school Democrat, I crumpled in despair at the news. ...I do not know why Barack and Michelle Obama cannot send their children to a nice public school in Hyde Park

Continues Megan:

In Obama's defense, the public schools in Chicago are terrible. My parents struggled with the same decision--my father worked for a Democratic city administration at the time, and they had both ideological and political reasons to want me to go to public school. But the catastrophic condition of New York's public schools at the time was too much for them, and at considerable personal sacrifice they ended up putting me in private school.

What is intolerable to me is when parents who have exercised school choice for themselves then oppose it for everyone else. Of course, Obama has little choice; the teacher's unions have far too firm a grip on the Democratic party for any of their politicians to buck its wishes.

I agree with Megan. regardless of the issue, this is trait of liberals that simply irks me. And it also irks me that it doesn't irk more liberals.

As a libertarian, the problem here is screaming out at me and it's two-fold:

1. Well-do-to liberals are hypocrites when they, while claiming to champion the disadvantaged, do things that go against what they preach politically because...well...let's just say it: They are self-interested human beings who care about their family and, thus, lofty-sounding goals and stances on some issues fall flat in their real world. The Obama's want the best the for their kids...like any other parents. And they have the means to do something about it. Yet, in public life, they frown on ideas that offer others the same choice because they feel they have to stand up for schools that they would never send their kids to. Like I said: hypocrites. IOW, they seem to support choice in real life and implicitly in public policy...but ONLY if parents have the means to make this choice with no help (like the Obamas). Score one for the upper-middle class. I wonder if such stances secretly help win the votes of suburban liberals who don't want "THEM" dragging down their schools. After all, they paid good money to be in a geographical zone that allows their kids to go to good schools with other kids like them.

2. The other problem is with liberals like Sandra who think others should conform to their ideals that run counter to individual choice and common sense self interest...lest they be the "bad guy". And why would Obama be the bad guy? Because he doesn't actively support through his own private actions a goal that Sandra feels matters more. IOW, Sandra would have people do things her way in support of helping bad schools that caring parents of means would never subject their own kids to. Sandra is therefore implicitly saying that Obama and other liberals should take one for the team and hurt their own children...something most parents won't do when they have options. This all runs counter to the ideals of free country.

But both expose a I mentioned in a previous diary and this school choice example is a perfect example of what I meant when I said:

The strand of Democrats that I find particularly depressing, dim and unwittingly masochistic is what is called the "Social Democrat"...or more precisely...what I call the National-(istic) Communitarian Social-(istic) Democrat. It is a group full of contradiction and..strangely enough...rife with illiberalism that rivals the likes of Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter. It is, at the same time, a caricature and a very real wing of the party. It is an ideological basket case that wants what the frightening fruition of its vision could never deliver and hates what its vision inadvertently and indirectly does deliver...while never realizing its role in the worst of the reality it despises. It is a desire for control that wreaks uncontrollable havoc which then begets more desire for control and continued havoc like a dog chasing its own tail. It desires an inclusion that causes and demands a want for exclusion. It wants the benefits that come from the antithesis of what it wants while claiming them as their own creations...all while seeking to destroy that very antithesis in the name of yet other values that are not borne from what it seeks. In short, its murky and compromised sense of true liberalism, of any kind, has a very, very low threshold...after which point it's extremely illiberal in an effort to keep what it has unsustainably gained and fend off the side-effects of what it has unwittingly wrought.

Obama's and Sandra's problem is one of ignoring what people really want for themselves and their families. Obama is being like the TV Evangelist in Phil Collins' song that says "Do what I say, Don't do what I do" and Sandra is being like the Communists at the Berlin Wall who wanted to stop people from escaping to the freedom of the West because it hurt the failing program that required the commitment and obedience that free-loving people are not willing to sacrifice their family and lives for when push comes to shove.

A libertarian-sensible Democrat would dump the shackles of this hypocrisy and truly stand up for the disadvantaged by giving everyone the best chance to succeed withpout hurting others freedom of choice. And if their failing public school system can't handle what it helped to create then the evidence should push them to new ideas to break up and shake the disgustingly inadequate urban school system they feel compelled to stick up for...to the detriment of everyone.

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Well said

I generally agree with choice so long as tax dollars are not going to religious institutions. Charter schools funded with vouchers are fine by me.

Expanding the topic a bit, school choice isn't much more than an intellectual exercise in many rural areas. Where Brutus and I grew up, the closest K-12 school not run by the government was about a 20 minute drive away. In Sandusky proper, there is Sandusky High School and Sandusky St. Mary's. Two choices is hardly enough to "let the market do its work". In these rural areas the simple lack of people will eliminate competition; it'd be unprofitable to run any private school (religious or otherwise).

Then again, it seems that most rural government-run schools do relatively well. It's only the large cities that have trouble. The large cities would certainly have enough people to make charter schools a real choice, which, oddly enough, is where the charter schools are needed.

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I don't make distincitions

for choice.

If the parents choose to send their kid to a private, religiously affiliated school, it doesn't matter...it's their choice. Catholic high schools generally have very high educational standards and are most often very good...religion or not.

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I Support Your Idea there..

But the question then becomes..shouldn't the parents pay to sent their kids to the Private School of their choice? If I want my kid to go to a $15,000/yr private school (who has the ability to discriminate on who gets in), then the collective community should pay for it?

By discriminate, I'm not intending to bring up racial implications..but most public schools don't get to turn people away from applying if they think don't belong. They have to accept who comes in.

Charter schools on the other hand (which I support) at least have a lottery system for fair entry.

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I know you don't

and we've been over this in the past.

Parents can send their children wherever they want -- with their own money. Once they use public money, I get a say in where they can spend it. I say it can't go to a religious institution.

Catholic high schools generally have very high educational standards and are most often very good

Precisely because they can discriminate as to who gets in (and stays in) their school.

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Obama's Open to Moderate School Choice...

..like charter schools. I find this to be a good idea because vouchers at the base point allows parents to use public funds to send their kids to private schools. Charter schools split the difference, and work well especially if he charter has a magnet focus, as pointed out in Freakonomics.

However, I personally would not object to the use of school vouchers because I think if the public schools are protected from competing schools with similar ideas, they have no push to improve--they'll just ask for more money. Charter schools are public (and the teachers unions adamantly oppose those as well).

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Another bitter HRC supporter in Sandra?

1: It would be hypocritical of Obama to use vouchers to send his kids to a private school. Sending his kids a private school directly takes nothing away from the the local public school [unless additional funds are attached on a per student basis]. Otherwise the only thing taken away from the public school are the possible extra attention the Obama's could have given to improve that one particular school system.

2: Sandra could have some cognitive dissonance in her dislike of Obama beating out HRC and doesn't seem to take into consideration that HRC had Chelsea sent to a private school.

One problem I see with an open voucher system is schools turning into even more of a memorization and standardized testing. And possible teacher and school compensation relying too heavily on "merit" pay, when a lot of factors that contribute to a test score could easily fall outside a teacher's control once the teacher picks a school.

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Thats a good point

I don't think any liberal (at least the sane ones) care if people pay money out of their own pocket (like the Obamas) to send their children to a private school. The problem is using public money to do it.

I've seen no evidence that Obama uses vouchers to fund his children's education.

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You mean like how Senator Santorum forced his local

school district to cover the cost of sending his kids to a private school? Especially when it came out that the house he was supposed to have lived in in that district sat empty or was rented to others during that time?

Obama is being up front at least and he isn't being a cheapskate about it either.

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That would be highly unethical n/t

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Supporting public schools doesn't mean you can't send

your kids to a private school. Supporting public schools means you fund public schools properly.

There is not contradiction there so calling it hypocrisy is incorrect.

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No kidding. The issue here is one of willful ignorance

of what it means to be hypocritical.

Unless Obama is channelling public school funds to the private school his daughters attend, his actions are not hypocritical. Anymore than it is hypocritical that Obama owns a jet when he isn't willing to give subsidies so that the poor may also own jets.

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I read this article and the linked diary with much interest

I read this article and the linked diary and all the following comments with much interest and enjoyment, and have to agree that, with rare exceptions, the public school systems in this country at large, both urban and suburban alke, have been failing miserably and have failed for the past 80-some-odd years. The Boston Public School System is a good example of this. Unfortunately, the public schools have not received sufficient amounts of aid to keep running, resulting in flight from cities and/or public school systems. Unfortunately, a vicious cycle has emerged: Because Public school systems, both urban and suburban alike, for the most part, have become ungovernable and educationally and physically poor, many families who've had the means, money or resources to do so have ultimately packed up and moved out of the cities to the suburbs, or have pulled their kids out of the public schools and put them in private or parochial schools. Unfortunately, the more families do this, the worse an already-bad situation has become. It's really a vicious cycle.

Politicians, understandably, do not wish to have their children used as guinea pigs for experimentation in schools where they won't be safe or won't get a decent education, and so have often put them in private schools. Unfortunately, however, far too many of these politicians, regardless of their party affiliation, are all too willing to have families with the least money, means and resources to buy there way out of bad public school systems use
their children as guinea pigs for the implementation of policies made by people who're a distance from such districts and have their own children in private schools, if one gets the drift.

Therefore, the best way is to work at altering the housing patterns of many neighborhoods, as well as improving the public schools, so that children of
all racial, ethnic, socioeconomic and faiths will have equal access to good, decent public education. Had such things been worked on years and years ago (this may raise afew hackles here), there would not've been the need to implement policies such as mandated school busing, which, in many places, especially Northern metropolises, including and particularly Boston, not only failed to achieve what they set out to do, because they failed to get to the root of the problems they set out to correct, but made many people more angry, fearful and suspicious of each other, and aggravated already-existing intergroup tensions and hostilities.

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School Choice In A Nutshell...

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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seen it, love it.

classic.

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I thought you'd dig that one... ;-)

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the first time I saw it,

I emailed it to my teacher sister and teacher GF. They both loved it too.

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+1

Its obviously a straw man argument, but the point is taken.

Quite funny.

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