Government Failure vs. Market Failure

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Market failure

Most senior economists now realize that the fundamental beliefs about a free market and the "invisible hand" are not an accurate model of how the world actually works.

The fact that there are still some true believers at such places like AEI does not change this.

If government regulation of markets hasn't worked well in some areas it is not necessarily because the market was regulated, but because the regulations were put in to advantage one group over another.

The reason for this preferential treatment is that our democratic process has broken down. Special interests control most of the legislation that gets enacted. So farm policies favor ADM who just coincidently happens to be the largest contributor to the relevant politician's campaigns.

As to the trustworthiness of the AEI itself:

Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world’s largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.

Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/01/oil-lobby-payments/

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Can you address the negative savings rate.

The economy is thriving yet savings rates are in the negative.

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Sure

There was an important, but mostly forgotten book published in 1948 that explained this.
"Income Saving and the Theory of Consumer Behavior" by James Duesenberry.

He did a study of spending during the depression and other periods of economic distress. What he found was that people tried to maintain their standard of living even when their income had dropped.

The most common condition he studied was outright unemployment, but our present stagnation is similar. People feel they "belong" to a certain economic strata and don't want to adjust their lifestyle. They feel that whatever economic pinch they are currently feeling will be temporary and will thus dip into savings or borrow to keep their level of consumption up.

It is only after a long period of time that they will modify their behavior to conform to their new conditions. Because of the recently invented ability of people to extract value from their homes many have been able to live beyond their income for an extended period.

When and how this current trend will come to an end is the $64 question. The decline in housing prices and the rise in interest rates means that the refinancing avenue is drying up for many people. On the other hand unemployment is down and wages are up slightly so people may be able to keep their heads above water even if their housing and other costs rise.

My guess is that the big adjustment will come right after the 2008 elections. The present admin is doing everything in its power to push the costs of the wars and the repayment of the deficits into the future. If the Dems win they stand a good chance of being "blamed" for the recession they will inherit.

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Lies and statistics

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&statu...

Those who say a low savings rate is bad for individual households are correct. Problem is, there's no evidence Americans aren't saving much. Rather, the "savings rate" doesn't capture what they save.

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because they are saving by spending

or investing.

Unless investments are liquid you have not saved for a rainy day.

I can't eat my car, but I can live in it.

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That's saving too

When you buy a car, that is an asset that has resale value. If you buy a car on credit, your principal payments on the loan, properly understood, *are* savings. The same is true of a house. Your mortgage payments are part savings (the principal portion) and part consumption (the interest portion).

You can't eat your car, but you can "trade down" by selling, say, a $20K car to buy a $10K car.

You can't eat your house, but you can trade down, cash out and switch back to renting, or get a home equity loan.

In the end what matters is net worth. Borrowing $500K at 6% to buy a house is one thing; borrowing $10K at 20% from your credit card to go on a shopping spree is another thing entirely. The former can be a very good thing for your net worth, while the latter will probably not.

If you have $100K in home equity and $25K in credit card debt, that's not the end of the world. Just take out a home equity loan to pay off your credit card debt and you'll save boatloads of money (and make sure not to run up the card again).

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Plenty of lies and statistics to go around

If you divide that $54 trillion by America's 114 million or so households, you get an average net worth of roughly $474,000.

I suspect however that neither you nor the author (nor in fact myself or anybody I know) would propose to do this, which makes this statistic pretty much irrellevant. The question is what is the actual distribution of this wealth compared to before. After all, 1 person with 54 trillion paints a very different picture than 'people have, on the average, almost half a million dollars each!'.

That distribution btw would also answer your issue about the growing (or not) gap between wealthy and the poor. So; any idea where to find that data?

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Private failure brought 1929 Depression

What saved America in 1929--Government.

Govt is not all bad,
Private is not all bad

The thing is there should be a right balance.

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146 pages of drivel from an AEI paper.

I can't say how much PDF bores me, but I took the time & looked over some of the paper. I'll admit to having a predisposition that isn't positive towards most AEI notions. This one seems to fit right in line of what I expect from them.

There are points that sound clear and reasonable. Their answers, or rather, the author's notions of the problems and the fixes are all too typical of this think tank. Regulation bad. Completely unfettered/unregulated market good. It's almost a caveman's view of economic theory and it's impact on the populace.

I agree, we shouldn't require regulations that cost 1 Billion dollars for each person saved, but that was an over the top example they dreamed up to create the illusion that they are reasonable. No where did it ever list where these unreasonable requirements ever came about.

But.....I'll give you credit for having a paper that we can objectively discuss. And the idea that there has to be some cost benefit analysis isn't something we on the liberal side are completely or reflexively against. Until you start coming into area's like the health of the planet. How much does a healthy planet go for these days? Does WalMart have any mark-downs we can get one on the cheap? To sacrifice "some" future profit for the sake of a healthier planet makes way more sense than allowing stockholders & upper management increase their wealth at the expense of something that is not theirs to barter with - ie a healthy planet.

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Since Ender seems to have stepped out for the day

if you're looking to generate some cross-party discussion you might wish to consider posting this at theforvm.org as well; if you want to aim at a conservative audience I guess redstate.com is the most obvious choice. Seems like for the moment it's you against the liberals here =)

My quibble is with the bit about safety regulations -- naturally you can argue about efficiency and whatnot, but isn't it fair to say that diminishing safety regulations are an inevitable market failure absent governmental oversight? History would certainly appear to suggest so (e.g, the early 1900s), although maybe our more litigious society would provide a natural incentive for companies to maintain safe conditions for workers... probably not what the author had in mind, heh.

The transportation and agriculture bits I buy, at least upon initial reading.

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Chopped Liver

Is it just me or is there an implication in your first paragraph.

What is SC chopped liver.........

I thought SC was looking to keep conservatives, not chase them away.

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Nah

Just pointing out possible additional places where the diary might receive a somewhat different reaction, in case LZ were interested. Doesn't mean I don't want him to post here by any means, and sorry if I gave that impression. On the contrary, I want our few conservatives to feel warmly welcome here as we slowly change their minds =)

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Ugly truth

The ugly truth about regulation (when done fairly) is that it doesn't cost business anything.

Let's take employment conditions as an example. Companies are forced to provide a safe workplace, pay a decent wage and provide overtime pay. Now if all companies have to follow the same rules then no company gets a competitive advantage.

The companies costs go up, however and they squawk. But since all companies are in the same boat they are free to raise their prices to compensate (or take a lesser profit it they think this will give them a market advantage). So the costs get passed on to the consumer.

But, of course, all costs get passed on to the consumer - there is no one else to pay. So the net effect of regulation is that some social good gets done and the costs of doing it get spread over the greater population.

When companies push for relaxed regulation what they really want is to have unfair regulations put in place which give them a relative advantage. Getting them to admit that this is their real motive is not likely to happen.

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False -- deadweight loss

You are viewing regulations, etc. as a pure transfer of resources from party A to party B. That's half of the story, but it misses what's important: the deadweight loss.

Yes, when you (for example) set workplace labor and safety regulations, that increases the cost to businesses. Yes, businesses pass on those costs to consumers. End of story, everyone comes out OK? Nope.

What you have done is increased the marginal cost of labor. This will cause ripples through the economy. For example, businesses that face tradeoffs between labor and capital will now choose more capital-intensive modes of production (a substitution effect). Businesses that are by necessity labor-intensive (e.g. service industries) will face disproportionately high costs relative to more capital-intensive businesses. Etc. These shifts all hurt efficiency.

The following page gives some good examples, including a graphical illustration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadweight_loss

When companies push for relaxed regulation what they really want is to have unfair regulations put in place which give them a relative advantage. Getting them to admit that this is their real motive is not likely to happen.

A suggestion: I think it would be better if we all stuck to "type C" arguments on this site rather than "type M" arguments. The following article explains what I am talking about: http://www.techcentralstation.com/100703B.html

Type M arguments do not give rise to constructive discussion. They are almost impossible to test empirically.

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dead weight

I suppose the dead weight you are referring to is the cumulative weight of all the dead workers who weren't covered by health and safety regulations.

The problem with the libertarian world view is that it only judges things by money. The social costs or benefits of polices are given no value. If you want to count purchases as savings then you better start including externalities in deciding the "costs" of business regulation.

Right now the ecological economists are trying to find a way to force societies to account for the externalities of pollution and resource depletion. The fact that economic models have ignored them up until now has allowed businesses to deny their existence. Mother nature is starting to demand that we change our perceptions.

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Your apparent assumption

that those who disagree with you lack your concern for the wellbeing of others makes discussion difficult... as detailed in the C/M link above.

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His assumption is one that it is difficult not to make

NO matter how many statistics you quote.

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Economic models have not ignored externalities

Right now the ecological economists are trying to find a way to force societies to account for the externalities of pollution and resource depletion. The fact that economic models have ignored them up until now has allowed businesses to deny their existence.

Would you care to provide evidence for this claim? Every intro to economics textbook I have ever seen has at least one full chapter, usually more, on positive and negative externalities, public goods, asymmetric information, monopoly/monopsony, and other forms of "market failure" -- cases where a free market does not result in a Pareto-efficient outcome.

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Here are

Government Success Stories
and
Free-Market Failures

This website comes on top of the google search for free market failures.

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About Debt

This recommended diary on DailyKos has lots of interesting charts:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/4/9158/20950

Perhaps some of you would like to comment on the data either here or there.

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