"I voted" open thread

Get out there and vote, and then make sure all your friends vote too!

The line at our place was out the door and they already had 100+ people less than an hour after voting began, but everything was moving quickly (they switched from electronic back to paper ballots, and it's actually faster) and everyone was in a good mood.

What will you be watching for tonight besides the Presidential election? 

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97th!

I was the 97th person to cast my ballot in my district, at 7:15 am. There are two districts that both vote in the same location, and the line for the other one was much longer.

Far too many uncontested races at the state/local level. :(
But at least there were a couple of independents running!

Question 2 in MA is about the decriminalization of marijuana. Unfortunately it is necessary to flip the ballot to side 2 in order to vote. Hopefully that won't be too confusing for the stoners and the result will accurately reflect the will of the people!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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I wasn't aware of that one,

MA seems like a place it might pass, especially if enough students turn out.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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It's slightly favored

Initial polls had it as passing by a huge margin, something like 72%. Then a bunch of money got dumped into a (rather misleading) ad campaign against it, and it is just a bit above 50% support now. It's one to watch.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Interesting thing about that ...

you need to remember that even if there are no MA state laws against it, there still ARE federal ones so it remains illegal from that perspective no matter which way the vote turns out.  (In case you were making plans ...)  :)

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Heh

If it passes, what it will do is change the penalty for possession of an ounce or less to just a civil infraction punishable by a $100 fine, with no permanent record - basically like a speeding ticket. If the Feds are going to come in and crack down on people with an ounce or less*, then they will have a lot of work on their hands!

*The "No on 2" ads claim that an ounce is equivalent to 60 individual sales, so clearly only a dealer would have such amounts. !!!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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lying prohibitionist SOBs

The prohibitionists never cease to amaze me with how misleading and vapid their arguments are. (Your 60 sales figure is used in this Boston Globe Op-ed ).

When I knew some stoners, the typical sales unit seemed to be 1/8 of an ounce. I think they would sometimes do a gram if the stuff was really potent and the buyer didn't have any cash on him...but that is still only ~32 sales.

I knew that they had no good arguments against medical/industrial marijuana, but I didn't realize that they had to resort to lies even for broader uses.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Decriminalization, really?

or is it a medical marijuana initiative? 

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Nope, not medical

We've had a bunch of district-level ballot questions over the past few years, instructing our state reps to vote in favor of medical marijuana legislation. I believe they have mostly all passed by fairly wide margins.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Wow.

I don't rock the ganja myself but I'd love to see it decriminalized here so we can stop wasting time prosecuting it.  Given that marijuana is Oregon's #1 cash crop you' d think we could do that but it's never worked so far.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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I really hope it passes

I forget how many millions of dollars it's supposed to save every year, but it was not an insignificant amount.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Smoke 'em if you got 'em

It passed .

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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border security and drug smuggling

I recently saw McCain talking about how drug cartels are posing an existential threat to the Mexican government.

McCain seemed to think that the solution is more border security...which might drive them out of the border towns (if it is really feasable to secure the entire border down there whithout throwing NAFTA in the trash or breaking the Federal budget). Anyway, if we shut down that route, they'll just find another one.

Probably the best case scenerio is that we secure our borders so well that all production is brought into the USA itself. Of course, we could accomplish that much more easily by allowing drug production in the USA, regulating it, and taxing it.

...but that would make too much sense.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Denver passed

a decriminalization statute in 2005.  The following year there was an attempt to pass it statewide which failed. 

I have not really heard of any serious repercussions the law's had.  The local police and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) nor the FBI have not had any altercations over jurisdiction that I know of.

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I voted for McCain today

In New York State, Rockland county. I went in at 7:30am and there were about 5-6 people voting already but at different machines so there was no line. I voted and was out in 2 minutes. After I walked out the parking lot was all filled up and a lot of people were walking towards the polling station so I lucked out a bit.

For weeks there was only one Obama sign in my area but this morning there were about 10 McCain signs and just that one Obama sign. So that put a smile on my face.

Then I drove to work through Northern Jersey and there was a ton of McCain/Palin signs and that made me smile some more.

There is a lot of stuff to watch for tonight especially the Senate but my interest is mainly (same as most everyone else's) in the Prez race.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Senate races

Minnesota is really hard to predict. I have no idea if the third party candidate will see his support hold up, or maybe even rise. Franken is kind of a tough sell IMHO but Coleman isn't that popular.

Georgia, I am really hoping to see Chambliss lose. If turnout is huge for Obama that could happen. 

I wouldn't be heartbroken if Landrieu lost in LA but that looks unlikely. It's all about how many seats Republicans can hold this year.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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IRC channel

I'll be in #SC on irc.mibbit.com all day.  Most of the day I'll be away, but you can drop in and just be idle with me.

If anyone has difficulty in the IRC room , just ask for help and I'll try my best.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Thanks, I meant to put that in the post...

Maybe starting at 7pm (or whatever) you could remind people again that they can chat there? 

Thanks also for putting that together.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I voted, too

Technically, by state law I voted today.  However, I filled out my ballot 35 days ago and turned it in to the board of elections probably 14 or so ago.

We've got some interesting issues on the ballot.  I'm really hoping the payday lending referendum fails (that is a yes vote) although polls show it passing.  Our legislature tried to cap the interest rate on payday loans at 28% (they are currently up to 391%), but the lenders have been blasting the airwaves with ads to get the restriction overturned.  The "yes on 5" people have very little money to put up against the lenders, which gives everyone only one side of the issue.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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I voted in favor of ...

the $500 limit and the 28% interest in the new language.  I forget if that was a yes or a no, though.

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I'm glad to hear it

Keeping the law on the books ($500 limit and 28% interest is a "yes" vote).  Removing the law is a "no" vote.

I'm pleasantly surprised you voted yes.  I figure that'd be a "personal responsibility vote" for you.

You may be pleasantly surprised that I voted down the bonds for environmental cleanup.  I never vote for the government to take out debt, no matter what it's for.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Ha, well you might be surprised ...

You may be pleasantly surprised that I voted down the bonds for environmental cleanup.

I voted yes on that one.  :)  I just couldn't vote against the little furry critters even though it will likely turn into an anti-property rights juggernaut that will come back to roll me over some day.  A couple hundred million in bonds is nothing.  The Casino I voted for will have them paid off in no time!  :)

I did vote to uphold the water rights for property owners although, I suspect there is too much wiggle room in their use of the word "reasonable" ... but all the subordinate to public good/welfare seemed like enough of a check.

Like I said, I didn't pay enough attention to the local issues this time around and so I had to make a choice on the fly.

I'm pleasantly surprised you voted yes.  I figure that'd be a "personal responsibility vote" for you.

Yea, I considered that angle (personal responsibility) but the alternative was $800 limit (no big difference) and a whopping 391% APR interest cap.  It was the interest cap that did it for me.  391% APR is loan sharking.  28% is "reasonable" for just loaning out money, IMHO.  I mean how much do you really have to gouge someone when they are down?

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Not the casino!

You're happy with giving a monopoly to a specific business that has to be built in a specific space?  Even the Ohio Libertarians are against this one.  First you're for Issue 5, then you're for deficit spending, and now you're for state-sanctioned monopolies?  What happened to you?

I'm strongly for allowing gambling in Ohio.  However, I'm not about ready to craft a monopoly in the state constitution to get there.

And for what it's worth, I also voted for the water rights amendment.  I voted down the initative amendment because it shortened the amount of time one can collect signatures to put an initative on the ballot.  Had the rest of the bill stood alone, I would have voted for that.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Eh, maybe I erred on the Casino thing ...

but my on the spot thinking was:

(1) It's by Wilmington who just had a big DHL hub close so they just lost a big chunk of jobs.  This would give them some jobs that can't be outsourced and are very likely to be stable.

(2) We have been keeping the gambling out for a long time and the only real effect has been that our gamblers go to Indiana and Pennsylvania which means money leaving the state.

(3) If the details become a problem we can always fix them in the future.

So, not necessarily the best analysis but that's what I was thinking when I pushed the button.

I also voted down the initiative amendment because it read to me like it was making it harder for people to get things on the ballot, which I object to in general.

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Landslide!

DIXVILLE NOTCH, New Hampshire (CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama emerged victorious in the first election returns of the 2008 presidential race, winning 15 of 21 votes cast in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire.

People in the village in New Hampshire's northeast corner voted just after midnight Tuesday.

It was the first time since 1968 that the village leaned Democratic in an election.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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those people in the 2 towns

are verifiable morons.

Disclaimer: I thought that they were morons even when they voted republican because I heard enough crap from their mouths. They get too much disproportionate attention.

Another disclaimer: I am just pissed because they voted for Obama :)

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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No, man,

tell us how you really feel.

:)

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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I voted last week for McCain ( I think it was on Thurs.)

This is the fourth time I've voted ( 2006 primary and general, 2008 primary and general.), the 2008 primary was the only time I voted at a polling booth, I guess it was the only time I was home during on election day.

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good man!

Where are you btw?

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I live in Nebraska. Go to

I live in Nebraska. Go to school in Lincoln, but my home town is Broken Bow which is in central Nebraksa. For those who don't know, Nebraska has three CDs - Lincoln and a narrow sliver eastern NE which constitute the first district, Omaha as the 2nd ( I don't think there's too much else in this district), and then the 3rd district which I vote as a resident of which makes up 85% of NE geographically. I may have mixed up CD one and two.

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The CD's in NE

are especially relevant in NE because we along with Maine split, though I don't think that will happen this year.

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Broken Bow?

That was featured in Star Trek: Enterprise as the hometown of Capt. Jonathan Archer.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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It's done. I voted.

yippie.

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No lines in my precinct

Voted at 9am local time, in and out, no waiting at all.   Electronic machines here.  Seemed to be a steady stream of voters.

Had to go Obama and Noriega (Cornyn is just, eww, and needs to go).  Kept Culbertson (R) in the House, hoping to balance out the presumed Democratic majority.

Tonight should be fun ;}

 

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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I voted for McCain (leans to the right and spits).

Then took a shower when I got home.  But the good news is that skymutt can now officially consider his vote nullified!  :)  I guess we'll both just have to sit back now and rely on the wisdom of the rest of the voting population.  He he.

In the end the possibility of a surprise McCain victory and the ensuing wailing, whining, and moaning it would cause within the Democrat party was too great to pass up.  Principles be damned.  :(

I went at 11AM.  No lines ... well I had 1 person in front of me at the sign in but the other lines were empty (of course).  No wait once I got my authorization to vote.

I wasn't prepared as I could have been since I haven't been watching the local issues as much as I could have.  For example, I didn't vote in any of the judicial races because I didn't know who was who.  My vote would have been a random choice so I "voted" to not vote in those races so that everyone else could decide.  I trust them to make the right choice there.  :)

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SC's Ohio members are a wash

1 vote Obama
1 vote McCain
2 votes Nader (my ex/roommate also voted for Nader -- or so she claims)

It looks like independentminded and Brutus hold the balance!

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Tie-breaker

I think independentminded is from Massachusetts (woo hoo!) so it's all up to Brutus.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Hmm

Perhaps I was thinking of one of the other yellow-bars who shows up every so often.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Bobb Barr called me on the phone

He told me to tell you that you were dead to him.  He said that he always thought that you were not a True Patriot, that your 2nd Amendment support was soft, and that you were a closet appeaser on amnesty, and that those suspicions have been confirmed :-(

(Amazingly I think we voted the same on the issues.  Not a total nullification...)

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Nullifying angle can be satisfying, I suppose.

And yes, the only pleasure I would get from a McCain surprise win would be the hysteria of exasperation and self-doubt that would avanlanche on the Democratic Party. I fear that disgust with the GOP will taken as a vindication of a full gammit of bad Democratic policies. The flip side to that is that I wouldn't like such a surprise win to be a vindication of terrible GOP policies over the last 8 years either.

But such joy wouldn't last long. Because then the reality of McCain's finger on the trigger sets in.

To me, both parties need a lesson in prudence, patience, humility and a moderate sprinkle of libertarianism to boot.(seriously)

I'm not asking for the second coming of Murray Rothbard. That's drastic. What would be nice would be a gentle shift notch or two shift in that direction across the board. More moderation, less spending, no tax increases, balanced budgets, a weaker excecutive, smart and pursposeful deregualtion, a reassessment of regulations, renewed respect for privacy and civil rights. That's not asking a lot. However, in eras of crisis is when government expands its power and generally doesn't give it back....forever corrupting and adulterating all that follows and never taking the blame.

I fear we may be heading into another such era. I pray Obama has good voices whispering into his ears on such matters. Prudent and further seeing liberal economists, like Goolsbee, can provide that guidance and counsel. Unfortunately, sloppy, hubristic and arrogant technocratic liberal economists can drown them out and muddle the larger picture.

Foreign Policy is the same. He can listen to Wilsonian liberals like Holbrooke who don't differ much from neo-cons in a general sense or he can seek counsel from more prudent and moderate liberals who are more in line with a point of view of Powell or General Clark.

Same goes for personal issues. We have PC-Nazis and wild-eyed social engeineers and ID politics groups on one side and more libertarian-minded social liberals who don't seek politics of victimization on the other.

 

All these choices fall within the Democratic umbrellla. One side is more statist, one is more libertarian....but all are within "Democratic" spectrum.

I hope the latter have some say. After all, the overly-active statist side will never take blame or responsibility for what they do and the other side most certainly will get blamed regardless of what they do or don't do. Best to at least have something on the table then.

 

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Well, there you go again ...

being all reasonable and such.  :)

I actually agree with a lot of that, I just doubt that the Democrats have it within them to moderate themselves ... and thus the more extreme they become the more I feel obligated to over-react so as the keep the "center" from shifting.

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I came, I saw, I wrote

I came, I saw, I wrote in:

John McCain of 2000, NOT 2008. (Totally different person)

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A blast from the past on the "value" of pre-election polls ...

Where the Polls Went Wrong

For weeks before the presidential election, the gurus of public opinion polling were nearly unanimous in their findings. In survey after survey, they agreed that the coming choice between President Jimmy Carter and Challenger Ronald Reagan was "too close to call." A few points at most, they said, separated the two major contenders.

But when the votes were counted, the former California Governor had defeated Carter by a margin of 51% to 41% in the popular vote—a rout for a U.S. presidential race. In the electoral college, the Reagan victory was a 10-to-l avalanche that left the President holding only six states and the District of Columbia.

Emphasis is mine.

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The difference

is nobody is saying this election is "too close to call."

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/

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So you don't think a 10 point shift to McCain ...

would change the "predicted" outcome?

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And that ='s....

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Wow,

you could make a nice amount selling that on ebay. :-)

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/

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I guess we'll see,

but "predicted" and "too close to call" are not the same thing.  Show me somebody outside of Drudge, Hannity or Limbaugh saying this thing is "too close to call" then we will talk about "predicted" and momentum. :-)

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/

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You are focused on the too close to call part ...

I am focused on how far off the polls can be.  From an operative perspective, what they are calling it (predicting one way or the other vs. too close to call) doesn't matter whereas how large the slide could be does.  If they are predicting Obama by 6 points but, as history tells us, the polls can be off by as much as 10 points then McCain CAN still come out ahead.

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Voted a couple weeks ago

I tell you, mail in voting is very nice.  No lines.  You get to sit down at home to decide your ballot.  You cantake all the time you want to research the issues.  And then you either drop the ballot in the mail or you put it in a free drop off box.  

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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I voted

for Obama about a week ago in Colorado.  My mother and brother also voted for the first times in their lives (55 and 28 years old respectively).  They both said they voted for Obama as well.

It is a great day in the USA (hopefully)!

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/

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This is America?

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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democracy in action

eh...

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Meh ...

As long as they are outside the designated voting preceinct area I don't see a problem here.

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Why is that?

n/t

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Because they aren't breaking any laws ...

they have as much right to stand in front of that building as any one else.  The fact that they are holding night sticks doesn't change that.  Of course, I wouldn't be particularly intimidated by them.  YMMV.

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Thanks

I am seeing a pattern emerge with RW: first he does not appreciate the way votes are allocated as one person = one vote, then he does not like people exercising their 1st Amendment Rights (as long as they are not directly intimidating anyone with threats or physical contact, they can stand there all day).  What exactly are you getting at, RW?

What's next, removing people's 2nd Amendment Rights? :-)

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/

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LOL, you crack me up...

..Gee, let me see, why do black panthers dressed in military regalia and wielding nightclubs at the enterance to a polling place give me pause...

What is going on in America?

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Assuming what those guys are

Assuming what those guys are doing is legal, and leaving aside the legal argument, do you think there is nothing wrong (inconsiderate and unjustifiable) or troubling about what they're doing? If not,

(1) would you say the same if a bunch of apparent skinheads were standing all day/night outside a polling place, visibly armed with all sorts of weapons?

(2) Just to test this even more, what about a bunch of visibly armed, robed Klansman standing outside a polling place in a mixed-race neighborhood in the South 50 or 60 years ago?

I'm not equating my hypothetical #2 with what those guys are doing (so please, no one get all ridiculous by misinterpreting and going off on that); I'm just trying to find out if you totally reject the idea that something short of explicit threats at that place and time could be considered inappropriate intimidation that, while perhaps legal, could be very undesirable and could make the people doing it a**holes.

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Yes, it is inappropriate and tasteless.

But it is not illegal.  I am a fan of first amendment rights, even when they are used in poor taste.

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/

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Unless and until the cross the line from legal to illegal ...

conduct, I don't care how they are dressed.  If they want to dress and KKK or NBP or Nazis I don't care.  Only when they start to physically obstruct people (i.e. try to physically prevent someone from entering the polling place) and/or try to physically harass them do I have a problem.  Of course, when they start to do these things they are crossing the line I drew above.

As for the "all sorts of weapons" talk, again, they are free to hold anything that they are legally allowed to possess on those premises.  I would, however, afford the police some latitude in the interpretation of some of laws regarding creating public disturbances and such as a means of removing disruptive individuals ... but only SOME latitude.  And I would be happy to leave it to a jury's discretion to assess and determine whether any such laws had be overstepped by authorities.

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the "new black panthers"

According to this report , they seem to be part of the New Black Panthers (the reporter dropped the "new" label, but the real BP disbanded a while ago and their surviving leaders have disowned the NBP as having nothing to do with the original BP).

They're a bunch of paranoid punks. The cops took away the guy with the nightstick.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Interesting ...

The cops took away the guy with the nightstick.

I wonder what they used as the reason?  Probably something lame like inciting a panic or possibly just did so based on some law that allows them to hold people for some period time without even posting charges.  I find these kinds of laws to be a scary abuse of power and an infringement of your peronal rights.

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"they did escort one gentleman out of here"

The actual report said:

they did escort one gentleman out of here

I suspect they just told him to leave, and didn't arrest him.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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Straighten out DKos

There's a recommended diary at DKos that is mocking this issue on the basis that the Black Panthers disbanded a while ago .

One commenter straightened out the author , but his comment is at risk of being lost in all the comments congratulating the author for how clever he is. I think it is worthwhile to recommend that comment.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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It's like the inmates have taken over the faucility...

Last week Mike Sandvick, head of the Milwaukee Police Department's five-man Special Investigative Unit, was told by superiors not to send anyone to polling places on Election Day. He was also told his unit -- which wrote the book on how fraud could subvert the vote in his hometown -- would be disbanded.

"We know what to look for," he told me, "and that scares some people." In disgust, Mr. Sandvick plans to retire. (A police spokeswoman claims the unit isn't being disbanded and that any changes to the unit "aren't significant.")

In February, Mr. Sandvick's unit released a 67-page report on what it called an "illegal organized attempt to influence the outcome of (the 2004) election in the state of Wisconsin" -- a swing state whose last two presidential races were decided by less than 12,000 votes.

The report found that between 4,600 and 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots. Absentee ballots were cast by people living elsewhere; ineligible felons not only voted but worked at the polls; transient college students cast improper votes; and homeless voters possibly voted more than once.

More...

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Heh.

The report found that between 4,600 and 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots.

It's all part of the Democrat voting stratedy which is summed up in their signature slogan: Vote early, and often.  Well, we already know that they have been voting early thus far in this election ... we'll have to wait to see just how often after the totals can be compared to the totals on the registration rolls.

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Well here is some evidence...

 Listen to the following phone call received by the Honest and Open Election Hotline :

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Republican solution to the problem

...put so few voting machines in the Democratic-leaning precincts that it takes all day to go thru the line once.  A more apt slogan: Get in line early, vote late.

(For the record: with Ken Blackwell not longer around to attempt to disenfranchise me, there was actually a whopping FIVE voting machines in my precinct as opposed to a mere three in 2004.  Only took me 35 minutes to vote today vs. like 2 hours in 2004).

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And you wonder why I assume bad faith from Democrats?

This interview with Menendez is a prime example.  You HAVE to read this to believe it.

Senator Menendez Defends Obama Tax Plan

I mean there is no way that this guy is a US Senator and doesn't know (a) the difference between the Capital Gains tax rate and the Top Marginal tax rate, and (b) doesn't know that half of working families pay no income tax at all.

He is either a total moron, which I guess is a possibility albeit a slim one, or he is a lying scum bag.  Actually, those aren't mutually exclusive so he is actually probably both.

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top income tax bracket

That was a confusing conversation (whether intentionally or unintentionally), but it seemed that the big issue is whether Obama's top tax bracket would pay a lower rate than what they paid under Regan.

It's a bit of a technicality, but during most of Regan's administration, the top tax bracket was higher than 40% . I call it a "technicality" because by the end of Regan's Administration, it was down to 28%.

So Menedez is using a conceptual bait and switch : we remember Regan as a big tax-cutter, and he seems to be trying to get that mixed up with the idea that the 80's were a low-tax decade.

That said, he seems like deceptive scumbag...like the vast majority of successful politicians.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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on second thought

I looked at it a little more closely, and it seems like he started out with his clever conceptual bait and switch, but when the interviewer nailed him down on it, he wasn't able to maintain it.

Then he just started getting stupid because he didn't want to give into the interviewer. He had a point that he wanted to make, and fought for it until the end, even resorting to a flat out denial of fact.

He seemed to be treating it like a debating club, rather than an honest conversation. Again...that's typical for politicians.

In my expert opinion, you should do what I tell you to do.

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"conceptual bait and switch" = "bad faith" in my book.

So either way I this is just more data to support my general tendency to assume bad faith from the Democrats.

You do raise an interesting point on the "technicality" aspect of the actual tax rates under Reagan.

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Excuse me while I call CNN

I think you can assume bad faith from any politician, D, R, or otherwise.

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I "could" assume it from any politician ...

but I have a reason (many actually, most not shown here) to do so against the Democrats.

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fellow conservatives - getting some good clues

Action: Just received urgent email from Obama Campaign

We might not be in a bad shape. Keep hope alive.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Palin cleared in "Troopergate".

Here's a Google news search .

Palin cleared by Alaska panel in ethics probe

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - Alaska Gov. and Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin was cleared on Monday of wrongdoing in an abuse-of-power investigation into the firing of the state's public safety commissioner.

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yeah saw that

amazing how much crap they piled on her to get their current lead... And this of course barely makes a blip on the radar after 1000s of stories of improper behavior.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Heh, here's an idea ...

all you McCain backers ... go to the Obama website and start calling to talk up McCain!  :)

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Ha, even better ...

when you log into the Obama website it pops you into a page that give you a list of people to call and asks you to gather some information when you talk with them.  But of course they have no way to know if you really called or not.  I recommend just going down the list and marking everyone as "already voted!"  He he.

I figure you can do that much faster than people actually calling so we get like a 10 to 1 advantage over their callers ... and you don't even have to talk to anyone.  :)

Maybe we should point this out over at some of the right wing haunts?

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Oldest trick in the book...

...and you "dream this up" as if it were some revolutionary concept, just as the polls are about to close.  They ought to do a "real men of genius" commerical about the post-Rove state of the Republican dirty tricks machine ;-)

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Oldest trick in the book?

To go onto your opponents cold call database and use the tools they provide to sytematically remove people from the list of people to be called?  I assume their site is smart enough not to hand out names and numbers for people who have already been called.

The innovation here is to make use of the very tools they have provided to systematically subvert their attempts ... how can that be the oldest trick in the book?

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It's a variation on the oldest trick in the book

Game the other guy's GOTV effort-- absolutely, positively the oldest trick in the book.  Check the book and see for yourelf-- there is not a single trick older than this one ;-)

 

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I don't know what version of the book you are looking at ...

but there are lots older tricks in my version ... and the version I am looking at was written by the Democrats.  :P

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A boilerplate GOTV email is a clue?

It's a clue that the Obama campaign's email server is working...

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come on dude

don't tell me you are not worried!

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Yea, he already knows I have neutralized his vote ...

so he is sweatin' bullets for sure.  He he.  :)

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Cool as a cucumber

By tonight, I will be lifting a glass to a new day in American politics, while you will be hating yourself for abandoning priciple and voting for a wishy-washy, gang-of-fourteen, pro-amnesty, AGW-believing Democrat appeaser.

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Not worried...

...but vigilant. The word is vigilant ;-)

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And IF Obama wins ...

you can sign up to get your very own "e".  That way you can join the "Obamanation" as a "vigilante" hauling people to those concentration camps I hear he is planning to setup.

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Don't worry

The Obama death squads are only rounding up True Patriots.  As a supporter of McCain and his pro-amnesty, AGW-believing, gang-of-fourteen policies of systematic collaboration with Democrats, you have nothing to worry about :-)

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True, and that's OBVIOUSLY what I was really thinking ...

when I made the final switch from Barr to McCain.  Health insurance against the "Obamanation."

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They might come after you anyway

Death squads aren't known for being particularly fair or discerning.  Maybe you can make your own stand reminiscent of Ruby Ridge, which I have imagined to be the secret fantasy of every True Patriot:  Go out of this world like a man, and  take a couple G-men with you...

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Noise on the ground...

In Georgia: Saxby Chambliss may be able to get out without a runoff. That's still not the odds on favorite scenario this afternoon, but he looks to be in a better position. Even if he goes into a runoff, if he is ahead by 7% or more, he is going to win the runoff. If he is 5% of less going into the runoff, Martin will win.

In Minnesota: It looks like Norm Coleman will win re-election today, as will Michelle Bachmann.

In Kentucky: I'm hearing McConnell is probably okay now.

Because of the trends, look for a leadership challenge to Harry Reid beginning tomorrow. Already, Democratic Senators are privately whispering that Harry Reid won't be able to carry the left-wing's water and run for re-election at the same time without compromising both.

 

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Link?

Please remember to provide a link.

To the point of your post, I think if the Ds have 59 seats and Georgia goes to a runoff, those poor Georgians won't know what hit them after the RNC and DNC dump millions of dollars into the race.

I think if it goes to a runoff Chambliss wins.

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FYI

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Thanks

I don't know which parts of Indiana are 6pm (looks like the Gary area is 7pm), but it seems like already that would tell us a lot.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Cool flowchart for tracking

Cool flowchart for tracking & predicting election results tonight http://www.newsweek.com/id/167116

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In more important news.

The beach workout phenom, Brady Quinn will start at QB for the Browns because he was the back-up on a team with a losing record and Quinn played well vs the academy schools while at Our Lady.

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I did it; for the first time EVER, I did a write-in.

 After taking care of some necessary stuff around the house, I walked over to our voting poll place and cast my vote, bringing a crossword puzzle book along just in case I had a long wait in line.  Fortunately, however, since I went over at around 1-something in t he afternoon, I only had a 5-minute wait.  I did a write in at the polls:  I wrote in Bernie Sanders & Dennis Kucinich, just as I'd planned.  

As much as I don't like the McCain/Palin Ticket and didn't vote for them, I could not bring myself to vote for Obama either, for the following reasons, although I'd voted for him in the primary, especially because Hillary Clinton was carryng on in a god-awful way and supporting policies t hat I could not/would not support.  

Why I did a write-in rather than voting for Barack Obama:

A)  Obama voted for the FISA bill, which would grant  immunities to telecompanies or whoever that violated the Constitution's 4th Amendment, which advocates protection of privacy and against unreasonable search and seizure.

B)  BHO voted to continue funding our Iraq war, even after having gone on record as opposing it.

C)  He has never even suggested cutting our always-exhorbitant military budget, rescinding the Patriot Act, dismantling the Department of Homeland Security, rescinding the Patriot Act or taking  the media out of the hands of big corporations.

D)  During the debate between Obama and McCain on foreign policy, both candidates talked about "going in and kicking some butt", effectively, and "finishing the job that we started in Afghanistan".  (I turned the TV to something  else at that point).  

E)  Given what Obama claims to stand for (Change we can believe in, etc.), all of the above, imho, are completely and totally inexcusable...and unacceptable.  I refused to let my principles go down by the wayside.

 

 

 

 

 

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Good for you.

But Dennis Kucinich?  Really?  He has to be the biggest nutcase to so persistently put his name in the running.  And by nutcase, I really MEAN nutcase.

Other than that, good for you.  Really.

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