Tuesday/Wednesday Open Thread
Is Saxby Chambliss going to take the 41st Republican Senate seat today? I bet he will.
Have fun!
Submitted by Ender on Tue, 2008-12-02 15:15
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Is Saxby Chambliss going to take the 41st Republican Senate seat today? I bet he will.
Have fun!
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Somehow I don't think the citizens of New York will be safer
Yes, its dumb to shoot off a gun accidentally in public and hit your own leg
and its dumb to have a handgun that was bought "illegally" but the New York law goes overboard in protecting its citizens if that carries a mandatory 3 1/2 years in jail. People that go down the highway yapping on their cell phone and changing the song on their cd player are probably more dangerous to the public.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
3 1/2 years
There is also a charge of "possessing a loaded handgun with the intent to use it against another." If he is indeed found guilty of that charge, I don't think 3 1/2 years is at all overboard.
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
Everything so far...
...just indicates that, that's a trump up charge of intent. A lot of other info has been leaked, but no reports of eye witnesses claimed Plaxico was brandishing a gun or anything remotely like that.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
I disagree with you, Brutus14.
Both of the above-mentioned things (i. e. yapping on one's cellphone or changing the songs on a CD player while going down the highway at 60-70 m. p. h. and carrying a gun on one's person just for the hell of it if they're a civilian) are equally dangerous, imho. I think that the NY law is a legitimate law, and I believe that we have a similar one here in the Bay State. Guns don't belong in civilian hands.
There may be a problem
There's that pesky Bill of Rights.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Again, I disagree, Brutus14.
That "pesky" Bill of Rights, as you're calling it, is what has thus far saved the United States from being like many, if not most other places across the globe. The reason that extremism has managed to get and keep the upper hand in many, if not most parts of the globe is because people's most basic rights are not protected in anyway. That's why the United States has the Bill of Rights-for people's protection, and the fact that the Republicans have all but destroyed it and thrown it down the crapper along with our Constitutiion is so dangerous.
Post-padilla
I have a hard time believing in the existence of said bill of rights.
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Seems to me like you're missing the point here independent
I'd interpret what Brutus said to be a snarky way of saying it's you can't keep guns out of the hands of citizens. It is ironic that you suggest citizens shouldn't be allowed guns, and then turn around and defend the Bill of Rights, are you suggesting amending the Bill of Rights or what?
Luckily the Supreme Court disagrees with your legal opinion.
See District of Columbia v. Heller
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-4 Strongly Disagree - 0 Meh - Strongly Agree +4Looks like Chambliss has it
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Has the MN senate count ended yet?
Pretty state but apparently number figurin' isn't a strong suit.
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Almost there...
Apparently 7% left to be recounted. With perhaps as little as a 13 vote difference
at this point, I suspect they are counting very carefully!
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
So few fingers, so many votes.
-nt
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The threat of a fillubuster proof majority has been abated
Of course considering we're only 2 of any Rinos away from it, I'm not sure how much difference it makes.
I think it's been much over hyped
It's not often that a vote comes down to 100% partisan split. Usually a few voters from either side wil switch over.
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Obama's citizenship
Hey GoRight and Prime Mover:
Concerning your last thread
dealing with this issue, I thought this article 
adequately refutes the residual charges that Obama is not a citizen.
Also, there seemed to be some confusion about the legal standing of "Certificate of Live Birth" vs "Birth Certificate." According to everything I've researched, they are one and the same
.
I think the article does a nice job of putting the issue to rest, but, as PM said, no facts are going to deter the determined.
We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
Like I said...
Obama could produce a photograph of himself coming out of the birth canal with a calendar in the background showing "August 4, 1961" and a view through the window of palm trees swaying in the Hawaii breeze near the "Queens Hospital - Honolulu" sign out front....
...and the whack jobs on the right would STILL try to claim he was born in Kenya.
A side note... this is not the first time in our nation's history that something like this has happened. Opponents of President Chester A. Author tried to have him disqualified by claiming that he was actually born in Canada instead of his native Vermont.
....they didn't have any more luck than the right-wing whack jobs are going to have with Obama.
This is the far right's attempt at making the Obama presidency "illegitimate" and claim that he is an illegal President. If it wasn't this, they'd find something else. They cannot accept the fact that the country overwhelmingly rejected their political philosophy.
These people are like those on the far left who claimed that Bush was never a legitimate President... that he was "selected not elected". They emotionally aren't able to cope with the fact that America rejected them and all that they stand for.... so they come up with some way to make it "better" in their minds.
I survived the Bush Administration
I don't see how arguing Obama's citizenship changes
anything about whether or not America rejected far right philosophy, because it doesn't change who America voted for. Now, what is a good example of what you're talking about is the some people on the right's insistence that whenever a true conservative runs he'll win, therefore forget the fact that McCain ran in a year when the Republican incumbent had an approval rating of 20% - 30%, and the economy was crumbling, he lost because he wasn't a true conservative.
It also neglects
that while McCain started with moderate credentials he spent most of the campaign running to the right, not the center.
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Who gets to say what a true conservative is?
Who gets to say who is & who isn't?
At this point Republican's need to agree on what they stand for & how they'll govern. They lost this time (not by much as per the popular vote totals) because for this last president's administration, they claimed to believe in small government, low spending, low taxes, security & keeping the government out of our lives & they governed exactly opposite that. Well, the top 1% got tax cuts that were significant...the rest of us got the bill.
Don't get me wrong, I am partisan. I just hope the Majority doesn't govern like the majority did the first 6 years of bush43's term. I want a consensus government.