Monday/Tuesday Open Thread

Bush showed nice reflexes dodging a shoe thrown by an irate Iraqi. The WH is working on an auto bailout. What else is going on as we start counting down towards the holidays?

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It takes real effort

to be this awesome ... kudos to Mr. McCarthy.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Levin-McCain report

This doesn't seem to be getting a whole lot of air time from our <sarcasm>obviously liberally biased</sarcasm> media. Key quote from Carl Levin (emphasis added by me):

The abuses at Abu Ghraib, GTMO and elsewhere cannot be chalked up to the actions of a few bad apples. Attempts by senior officials to pass the buck to low ranking soldiers while avoiding any responsibility for abuses are unconscionable. The message from top officials was clear; it was acceptable to use degrading and abusive techniques against detainees. Our investigation is an effort to set the record straight on this chapter in our history that has so damaged both America’s standing and our security. America needs to own up to its mistakes so that we can rebuild some of the good will that we have lost.

I think he's talking to you, President Bush!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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The continuing saga...

All the little boys and girls wanted to grow up not to be engineers, but to work on Wall Street.

The growth in hedge funds was dramatic and causing some concern.

 In my continued investigations into the Hedge Fund Saga, and the one man bank known as Bernie Madoff who schlocked  millions of clients from their money, I discover that an effort was made to legally require all hedge fund managers to at least register, alerting  states to who was operating these funds and where.

 Alas, the ruling was overturned by the Supreme Court (!!) finding that requiring  hedge fund managers to register was intrusive and arbitrary, and contrary to their freedom to make a profit!

 Now that Bernie has bilked the rich for millions, they cry "But where was the SEC? Where was the oversight? Well the hedge funds managers were 'free' to operate anyway they saw fit. That kind of 'freedom to profit' turned out to be catastrophically expensive for the clients of Bernie Madoff. 

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But....but....but...

Ronnie said that deregulation was good!

He said that regulations "get in the way" of capitalism and a free society.

And according to the wing-nuts, he was our greatest President!   Surely, this must be wrong.

;-)

 

I survived the Bush Administration

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Regulations do get in the way

 no doubt. I would encourage democrats to do everything possible to be sensible about regulations to encourage small business. Everything is to 'complex'. Ethical regulations should be based on making rules simple and very business friendly. You can't moniter best business practices with options sellers who refuse to even register their businesses.

 There are opportunities for new business models that could turn CEO's into heroes to be emulated instead of scorned.

 I think all the CEO's should lobby for health care reform, starting with cost cutting measures. The cost of insurance is immoral. Having insurance companies dictate how doctors treat patients is immoral. 

 

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They do

As ML touched on, regulations do get in the way of capitalism and a free society.

The real question is "is complete freedom a good thing?"  The answer is obviously no.  Not all freedoms are created equal.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Thoughts on Obama/Blagojevich from the rational right

as defined by me, of course =)

I have stated over the past few days that I believe that the primary impetus behind the Obama team’s reluctance to speak out about Blagojevich is due to Obama’s reluctance to interfere or impair the federal investigation. As time has gone on, it has become increasingly clear that this is the case. Frankly, I find it admirable that the incoming president-elect is willing to take a political and reputational hit to do the right thing by helping Fitzgerald put Blagojevich behind bars.

Of course, what’s even more damning about our insipid media-driven culture is that it’s even necessary to say this. [...] Put simply, there was no need for any kind of immediate reaction to the charges against Blagojevich from the Obama team at all. It wouldn’t serve any useful purpose except to satisfy a smug political pundit class that demands that politicians need to condemn something right away, even if there’s no evidence of involvement, or else risk being smeared with complicity.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I've long respected

Outside the Beltway for being generally thoughtful about their politics.  I usually compare them to Kevin Drum (as righties to his lefty) as the kind of pundits we could use a LOT more of.

I'd also put Daniel Larison and Cunning Realist in such a category.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Agreed (nt)

 

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Getting a job nibble

which will hopefully pan out.  We've got a fair amount of snow on the ground here, which we don;t get vey often at all and that's almost always in late winter, not December.  We might actually have a "white christmas."

I really want to write a post on anti-agapics, anti-sleep drugs, and "performance enhancing (mentally, get your mind out of the gutter) drugs.  I'll get to it eventually :)

My kids are coming this friday and spending four weeks.

That's what's going on in Casa Tlaloc.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Things are odd here

My parent company pays really weird.  You get paid on the 15th and last day of the month 1/24th of your yearly wage assuming you work exactly 40hr/wk.  Then any over/undertime or other adjustments is paid out the next pay period, except when the previous pay adjustment period is less than three business days away from a normal pay period, in which case it will appear on the next following regular pay period.

To make a long story short, after working a standard 80 hours over those two weeks, I had a check in my hand for over $1000.  I've never had a paycheck for $1000.  And being unemployed for so long, I'm not used to having disposable income.

If I didn't have tons of college debt, I literally wouldn't know what to do with my money.  Probably a Roth IRA up to the max amount or some such thing.

And getting more in line with your sleep drugs.  People around work have trouble believing someone can function without using caffeine regularly.  I've not used the drug in over a year for sure and certainly not in any regular sense for at least three years.  "How do you do it?"  I get 8 hours of sleep a night and eat healthy food when I can.

Imagine that!  A good diet and proper rest does wonders!

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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If this is true, it seems extremely unhelpful

The BBC is passing along allegations by the brother of the shoe thrower that Muntadar al-Zaidi has been tortured in Iraqi custody. 

Muntadar al-Zaidi has allegedly suffered a broken arm, broken ribs and internal bleeding, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC.

Mr Zaidi threw his shoes at Mr Bush at a news conference, calling him "a dog".

A spokesperson for the Iraqi military says the journalist is in good health and said the allegations were untrue.

Seems easy enough to disprove: give international agencies (like the Red Cross) full access to the prisoner. Absent such minimal actions, I am disinclined to credit the spokesperson for the Iraqi military.

Gotta love the charge they are holding him on, too: "aggression against a president."

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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That goes to show...

Before torture was routine I would have not given much creedence to the journalist: he's obviously trying to become a martyr.  Now I expect us or the Iraqis to be torturing prisioners.

It's amazing to see how far we've sunk.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Liberal Elite Media

All those so-called terrorist experts get on the TV and report how the US reverse engineered techniques designed to illicit false confessions and are using them in the name of freedom and truth.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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In which Tlaloc pans the Hulk

Just watched the new Hulk.  The word that best describes it is "vapid."  It is almost entirely deoid of plot.  The screen writer evidently believes dialogue exists purely to lead the most braindead audience by the nose to the next action sequence.

Said action sequences are well done, but the flashiness can't save the film.

The casting is rather painful, particularly in comparison to the earlier Ang Lee version.  Whomever decided to cast Liv freaking Tyler as Dr. Ross should be shot in the nuts.  Liv tyler's acting talents are best shown by a plunging neck line.  Putting her in the role of an intelectual is a rather cruel joke at the young lady (and audience's) expense.  I think Jennifer Connolley played a very good Ross (to be fair she had a much better script to work with) but there are other people who could play the role well.  I would have liked seeing Famke Jensen for one.  Liv Tyler was just embarrasing.

I generally like both Tim Roth and Edward Norton, but neither managed to excel under the weight of the leaden script.  The guy who played thunderbolt Ross had one saving grace- he was utterly forgettable.  Sam Elliot was perfect for that role.

Other than nice effects the best aspect of the movie (and the only way it actually exceeded Ang Lee's version) was in the little nods to the marvel continuity (Tony Stark, The Leader, DocSamson, etc).  Those are nice for long time fans to get little kicks from and they don't have to detract from movie as a whole.

If this review is mostly a comparison to the 2003 Hulk there's good reason- the studio and many fans were disappointed in Lee's Hulk and hence the latest movie was essentially a "re-do."  Which is really too bad because the Ang Lee movie was actually very good, it just wasn't what you'd usually expect from a superhero movie.  It had some fantastic direction, good acting, good plot.  It had good effects but didn't rely upon them to distract the audience from an inadequate story because the story was perfectly servicable.  The movie did run a little long and probably should have lost maybe 15 minutes, but I can forgive that pretty easily, personally.

Unfortunately the precedent is now set- vapid action wins out over solid movies that require a little intellectual investment.  When a Hulk movie is too cerebral for the american hordes it's time for me to break out the margarita glasses.

I would place Spiderman 1 + 2, Ironman, Xmen 1 + 2, and the 2003 Hulk on the top tier of recent superhero movies.  Second tier I'd rate the new Batman movies, Spiderman 3, and Xmen 3.  Distinctly lower I'd rate Ghost Rider, Fantastc Four 1 + 2, and the new Hulk.

(I need to see Superman Returns again, I can't remember it well enough to rank it)

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Something just occured to me

The single most defining attribute of the Hulk is supposed to be simple anger.  And yet the Hulk of the 2008 movie never seems particularly angry.  You never get a sense of Norton's Banner as a guy who has deep anger issues that are repressed.  Instead of the hulk being an expression of unresolved anger he becomes merely a byproduct of a fast heart rate in the new movie.

That's just very odd.  It's like a Spiderman movie that never even mentions the idea of power coming with responsibility.  That's a central facet, maybe THE central facet of the character and you jjust forgot to put it in?

The more I think about it the more the screenwriter deserves some serious gonad abuse.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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I'd like to check out the Ang Lee version

What tier would you put Unbreakable in, out of curiosity? 

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Tough call

I liked Unbreakable in general but it was a very atypical superhero movie.  Plus it suffers from the M. Night Shamalayan twist ending that hurts repeated viewings.

I'm not sure I could compare it with those other films, just feels like comparing apples and geodes.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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M. Night Shamalayan

I *hate* M. Night with a passion.  I swear that any dialogue in his movies must come out of his check.

However, I own Unbreakable and I like it.  That movie is the exception that proves the rule.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
I'm listening to...

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I liked Unbreakable and 6th sense

but obviously a twist ending stops being a twist when it become de rigeur.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Kurt Wagner

I didn't bother with Ghost Rider or the 2nd Fantastic Four.

The 1st Fantastic Four seemed like 3 half-hour TV shows strung together and had nothing in it. They go to space, they get their powers. Some of them don't like their powers, some do. Then they fight, end of movie.

The best part of X-Men 3 was when Scott Summers died.

The opening of X-Men 2 is one of my favorite moments in any movie. But I put Nightcrawler and Wolverine on a pedestal.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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I quite like Alan Cummings

and I thought his Nightcrawler was quite enjoyable.  I really wish he'd play the RIddler.  Nightcrawler was a bit of a departure for him, he usually plays smarmy smart kids (hence why I'd like to see him as the Riddler).

I really wish they'd done the Juggernaut in X3 as a CGI character.  That would have been much better.

 

It'd be pretty cool if the studios started experimenting with doing some of the "what if"/elseworlds comics in movie form.  Particularly elseworlds, some of those had some fantastic twists on characters.  It'd give the studios more flexibility in using the characters without being confined to specific actors and plotlines.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Hellboy!

Missing from your list of superhero movies are Hellboy 1 and 2. Have you not seen them, or did you not like them at all? (Or do you not consider them "superhero" movies?) I would place both in the top tier.

I agree that the first Hulk was much better than the second.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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I don't tend to think of hellboy

as a superhero.  I'd put him in the same genre as say Constantine.  Of course that's completely subjective and arbitrary.

I haven't seen HB2 yet but I'm eager to.  As far as HB1 there was a lot I liked but I really didn't think Ron Perlman pulled off the unrequited love angle.  Probably because he never gets to play a romantic lead with that mug of his, but some of those scenes really grate on me.  Other than that I thought he played the role fine.  Makeup and effects were great and the plot was solid.

Speaking of Constantine, it probably would ave been pretty good if not for the Reeves penalty.  The only movie where I think reeves really excelled was the Gift where he had to play a stupid @sshole redneck.  Funny that.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Ron Perlman

He definitley has romantic lead experience, from the most romantic TV show of all time (that is the description that I am pretty sure my sister would use - she was totally in love with Vincent). It's been a while since I saw HB1, so I don't remember that particular aspect. I am consistently wowed by the visual richness of Guillermo del Toro movies, though, and that tends to be something that sticks with me. HB2 definitely does not disappoint on that count.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Heh

I can remember when I was little, my mom used to watch that religiously.

It scared the bejesus out of me (i was like 6-7 at the time).

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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twenty one years ago...

My wife and I keep coming back to this idea of doing a movie centered around an old Superman and Batman who've just been kind of beaten down by their lives.  Could even do it as the Dark Knight Returns.  Anyway the hook is that you get Ron Perlman to play the old Bruce Wayne and Bruce Campbell to play the old Clark Kent.  I think they'd be great in those roles.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Bruce Campbell

You just named one of my favorites. I almost always enjoy watching him act. He made a great old Elvis. He'd make a great old Superman. I can see Ron Perlan as old Batman, too. You and your wife should definitely do this movie! :)

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.

The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.
Great show?
or
The greatest show?

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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...and Jack just left town

I have to say I truly enjoyed Jack of All Trades (largely because the "theme" was more to my taste) a little more than Brisco, so I'll just go with great show. But definitely a great show.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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He lives here in Oregon

The wife has seen him at live book signings.  She says he's hilarious just speaking extemporaneously.  Also his books are pretty funny.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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I think Franken is going to pull it off!

I honestly didn't think he'd win.  Although I admit that I'm surprised there wasn't a bigger deal made out of that guy that bribed Coleman via his wife's company.  Seems to me that's pretty plain spoken graft.

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If AF pulls this off...

I think the people of Minnesota should be sold off to the Canadians...cheap and quick like!

(We should keep the acreage, but ship out the lame brains to the great white north!)

Al Franken is a disgrace.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Maybe this isn't such a whacko theory after all?

See for yourself. And then there is this...huh ?

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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And in Roman times...

People used think Jupiter wasn't such a whacko idea.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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We'll have to check the AOL polling records...;-)

n/t

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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An AOL poll???? bwahahaha

 

The last AOL poll before the election had McCain winning the election 80/20.

It's not exactly a representative sample set of America.

I survived the Bush Administration

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Especially

if Ben "The Copy" Domenech is running the poll which seems to be the case for the second poll question.

 

We are all mediators, translators. - Derrida
http://signicide.blogspot.com/

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Come on...Ben had one incident in college...

...which is enough, no doubt...

...but let's not make him out to be some kind of joe biden type or anything...;-)

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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As you all know, I don't like G. W. Bush either, but

 I  really think that the business of throwing a shoe at him was rather over the top.  

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I don't know-

When you think about the hundreds of thousands that died so baby bush could try to impress his daddy, I have a hard time seeing a little shoe throwing as excessive.   

 

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I disagree, Tlaloc.

 I don't think that's the way to go.   It's quite infantile, imho.

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I'm not saying it's my first choice

but then again I don;t live in a country that has been demolished by the man's petty vanity.  So, you know, I may not be in a position to really judge the guy.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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What I said earlier, Tlaloc;

 I said that one does NOT have to like President G. W. Bush to realize that the show-throwing was over the top.

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Petty Vanity? Oh Brother...Talk about history revisionism...

 

Please, please go back and re-read the history, or read it for the first time! Listen to Clinton, Reid, Pelosi, Dean and every other democrat support the war, condemn Saddam, and call it the way it was.

It is so messed up to see them all take a walk on their own words and claim otherwise. The American people are fools to let it happen.

They all supported the war!

The US Congress, both the house and the senate approved it, the UN mandated it, our allies okay'd it, and now a bunch of dim witted partisan pee on's have the nut's to throw around aspersions, attach labels, and point fingers on George Bush!

This is the kind of liberal BS that pisses me off.

Get real about it, admit it, the fact is that it was Saddam's fault, period. He, and he alone had the power to avoid the whole thing. He played the game, and lost. We all lost. But it sure as heck was not GW's fault!

To suggest it was Bush trying to make his dad proud, or we did it for the oil, or anything else is just liberal BS 101.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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The problem being

that all of those people had been deliberately lied to by the president who sat on intelligence that was contrary to the story he wanted to tell.

Of course people will support your war if you can prevent them from knowing that said was is pointless and completely uncalled for...

Surely you don't give Bush a pass for his historical revisionism, right?

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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I see, so which Bush family member will you blame...

...this on? Hmm...

Laura hasn't been properly smeared by the left yet, or better yet, one of the daughters, she is a... CIA operative, ya that's it...recruited by her Grandpa perhaps?

 

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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I don't see where your argument makes sense

1) While I don't agree with the decision to invade afghanistan (because there seemed to be reasonable alternatives, and the nation building in Afghanistan also hasn't gone well, which was imminently predictable) at least afghanistan did in fact have a direct connection to 9/11.  In that regard the afghanistan invasion was somewhat more understandable.

2) the story you link to has to do with an escalation of our current invasion.  I don't particularly like that but it has nothing to do with lying to create a supposed justification to invade iraq.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Ok you only want to get into how the Bush administration...

...is so evil, like you surely thought his Dad was evil, and Ronnie Reagan was evil, and Nixon was evil, and Goldwater was evil, , and the religious right is evil, and conservatives are evil, the New Republic...evil. The Washington Times...evil.

The fact is the Iraq war was a reaction to Saddam's defiant behavior in the face of world condemnation. Not Bush's anything.

You want to get all cozy with the scooter libby set and settle into the liberal love seat, grow up and get real.

We were being attacked by terrorists, we are now killing them on their home ground, I will take that option, thank you very much.

And once, and not before, we kill every terrorist who's willing to stick their head up in Afghanistan, this deal will be done.

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Hmmmmmm

Come back out of the deep end of the pool, RW ;}  I don't see any of that in what Tlaloc said. 

What he did say is that the Bush Administration appears to have distorted some facts and repressed others in making their case to Congress (and the world) for the war.    You probably disagree with that.   But hindsight seems to provide reasonable support for his opinion.  

It's also true that Congress did provide authorization.  Perhaps they failed to exercise the full extent of their responsibility in doing so.   And, taking the "but we were lied to" stance now does smack a bit of immaturity and political posturing.

But your saying it was all and only Saddam is just as disingenuous as saying it was solely George.   "We had no choice" versus "We were lied to."   Not much courage shown in either position, IMHO. 

It's all water under the bridge though.   We are where we are and it will soon be the Obama Administration's job to move us forward.    

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Fair enough I suppose...

...I appreciate your lucid post.

I do sincerely believe however, if one is eager to point fingers of blame for the war in Iraq, the tip of your index finger must be placed squarely on the tip of saddams nose.

Please go back and re-read the headlines. He snubbed every effort, of which there were a considerable many, to mediate the issues. And in the end, unfortunately for us all, in the cafe bagdad, he got just what he ordered, the dictator special...a dish best served cold. ;-)

Underlying all arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. ~M. Friedman

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Petty vanity

 is tolerable, if not somewhat normal. The hypocrisy of Bush's policies is intolerable.

 Who is to say that the shoe throwing journalist, might possibly have had his father, mother of child  killed, during the 'liberation', or perhaps his brother tortured at Abu Ghruiab.

 It is more than galling to listen to a man who claims to have freed Iraq, knowing that the liberating authorities were throwing around Saddam Hussein's name as the 'evil dictator, while at the same time rounding people up off the streets, throwing  them into Saddam's favorite prison and torturing them under the symbol of the US flag. 

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Tossing sabots

I personally would not have done it, and yes, it's disrepectful and actually pretty hazardous and costly, throwing *anything* at a head of state.....but I have to admit I hid a smile.   

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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