WTF Open Thread
Here's your open thread for Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. I'm away doing some house and dogsitting for a family member, so I don't have too much time to check in this week. I'll be back on Monday!
Submitted by stinerman on Tue, 2009-07-21 22:22
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Christian executed in NKorea
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Violence against Christians in India
http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/christian-leader-raps-anti-convers...
In some Indian states, they just throw people in jail for proselytizing.
http://www.indiancatholic.in/news/storydetails.php/12817-1-1-Orissa-Chri...

http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Aug09/Art_Aug09_15....
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
What? Are you comparing those to executing someone...
...for distributing books?
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Just saying
India hands must be clean, a few states there only act like Christians
shouldn't be citizensare the lowest class of citizens and then people not directed by the government use the Christians as scapegoats and kill a couple dozen amid other acts of violence.In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Sure took them long enough...but...
...and thankfully there is this
...
We welcome all the new arrivals to the realm of reality.
Make room, there are many more on their way! ;-)
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Mmm hmm.
Sure sank Bush in '04 didn't it? There was no lack of great dislike for that guy.
I'm glad Obama isn't pleasing everyone as much. What needs to be done isn't likely to be popular.
That makes two of us...
;-)
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Ha ha ha!!
That's one hell of a laugh, especially since he's increased the number of US troops in Afghanistan from 47, 000 to 68, 000, we've got 130, 000 troops in Iraq, and Afghan refugees are streaming over into Pakistan, the economy is still tanking, unemployment is still rampant, people're still losing their homes, jobs, etc., and the health care plan that he's got for passing isn't so great.
It's not conservative, it's irresponsible
Headscratcin' Political News from Texas.
Kay Baily Hutchison slams Gov. Perry for not taking the stimulus funds that she voted against!
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/...
Hutchison is quoted as saying, that Perry's decision, that rated high on the popularity scale with the teabaggers, was 'not conservative, it was irresponsible'.
Did Gov. Perry raid the unemployment fund to pay off Texas state debt because he refused to take the Economic Recovery $$$?? Now he has to beg for a loan from the Feds to pay unemployment claims?
Texas ranks last or almost last in many comparative studies in the nation. But is the 'freedom index' high in the land of everything Large?
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Texas+Ranks+Last+in+...
In related news Bobby Jindal who slammed the Federal Stimulus as the heigth of irresponsibility was seen, in local districts of Louisiana bragging about the stimulus money that was being spent to 'help' the local economy.
I'm only half stupid
Gov. Perry's Line Item Secession???
Rick Perry thinks he has a constitutional right as Governor to reject any Nationalized Health Care Plan being shoved on his state.
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-does-rick-perry-think-health-care...
I wonder IF Gov Perry understands that infectious diseases are colorblind and have no borders, which is in part why health care is important. It is also important to have a healthy, happy working population that can contribute to the state and it's coffers which need at least a bare minimum of working tax dollars to provide some sort of reasonable state services.
Does Gov. Perry realize that if his children were exposed to say, tuberculosis from some 'dirty illegal Mexican', or some worthless lazy welfare case... does he think that means that if he denies health care to illegals his kids won't get sick, because they are constitutionally states rights protected from getting an infectious disease?
I'm only half stupid
At the very least
If Scalia thinks some modern hippie that grows one marijuana plant for personal use, falls under interstate trade. Then surely health care should more than easily fall way under interstate trade to that ilk.
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Does Perry not think health care would fall under interstate trade less than illegal drugs? If yes, does Perry feel proud about using Federal money enforcing what is really in his mind a state's issue on easy to grow drugs?
If no; Does Perry think the Feds can step on All states toes if the great state of Texas gives passive permission to Federal Gov't encroachment?
I'm looking forward to Perry freeing anyone locked up in his great state solely on Fed drug charges, due to his constitutional right.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
You betcha
People should stop the hysteronics about the Federal Stimulus and start worrying about the unemployment rates in their states. State revenues are dropping off as jobs are lost creating even more problems for state budgets at a time when demand for state expenditures is going up.
Many companies are in a position of laying people off, so they can afford to provide health insurance to their remaining employees. In other words monies that could be paid out in higher wages, goes to the insurance industry.
The upper middle class pays $250 less in Federal taxes, and their health insurance costs have gone up $5,000 in the last eight years.
Do the math. Is it the government that's coming after your wallet, or the private health insurance industry?
I'm only half stupid
Hmmmm....interesting question:.
This:
is an interesting question. I'd say it's a combination of both myself.
It's just this sort basic economic ignorance BO demonstrates...
... most of the time he opens his mouth off teleprompter that blows my mind.
From Breitbart:
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Crocodile tears
And that's the point here, actually.
Coverage for catastrophic and age-related health care, as it exists today, IS unsustainable. There's no way that the average American can save the minimum amount currently estimated one will need at retirement to pay for one's healthcare premiums, out of pocket expenses, and medications (last I read, somewhere above a quarter of a million dollars). That's on top of what one should be saving to provide food, clothing, and shelter, too.
Ditto for catastrophic health care.
If the heathcare industry had been better stewards of their market instead of trying to wring every last cent out of it, this may have never come to pass. For example, they bemoan the lack of consistency in filing paperwork among various insurance carriers and how much that costs them. Well, what was preventing them from imposing industry standards 10 years ago? The answer: they didn't care, because they can push the cost of their inefficient operations back onto their customers.
Obama and the Democratic Party ran on healthcare reform. That they are persuing it should come as no surprise to anyone. Neither should the fact that what we will get out of it will be expensive, unsatisfactory to many, skewed towards rewarding their campaign contributors, and make for a hellish transition.
You are correct madam...
:-)
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Maybe that has to do
with the nature of healthcare vs. other economic sectors?
There are huge transitional costs in healthcare to standardizing forms, procedures and practices. That's why doctors are still filing out written charts and having archivists type them up overnight.
Other industrialized countries have all found a way to do it without bankrupting themselves. We should aim to provide the same quality of care as France does with the same % of GDP. Is that so hard?
No, it's not that hard
But it's not easy, either. And certainly not with the kind of folks we have in Washington.
Hunter over at Daily Kos
summarizes it well:
I would add the corollary that whatever they come up with will also be unworkable and a giant bureaucratic nightmare for everyone.
I enjoy quoting Hunter on this because his liberal bona fides are unquestionable. If I were to say such things, 'twould just be my "evil conservatism" showing ;-) But, I do have to point out, that his first sentence is exactly the conservative/liberal position as to why it's not a great idea to get government directly and actively involved in everything that seems to be broken.
Thing is, the government
is already heavily involved in healthcare. If there is a coherent position that healthcare should be exclusively private, conservatives and libertarians are not making it.
The assumption that government-run healthcare will be a beaurocratic mess makes several logic leaps:
- That there exists an uncomplicated, efficient way to deliver large-scale healthcare that is sensitive enough to demand and supply forces;
- That widely acknowledged government performance in other areas (the military, nuclear power regulation, highway systems) should be disregarded while we must take overly complicated tax forms and long lines at the DMV as important predictors;
- That whatever resutling "mess" would be less preferable than the current well-documented mess that not only makes you fill out needless paperwork but can make you bankrupt.
I believe that mistrust of government is healthy, as long as it is measured against social imperitives and one is willing to distinguish between the performance of different administrations. Is FEMA a well-run government program? Well, depends on whether it's run by James Lee Witt or Michael Brown.
Oh Gee, this isn't Orwellian or anything, now is it...
More here
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Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Too much Centralized power ain't good
Probably not best to shift control of somethings into positions that are pretty much directly controlled by a party...but if it's abused, they should be impeached and removed regardless of who might, or might not have authority.
I think fears of a burning down the Reichstag might be far fetched.
The Constitutionality of the law is suspect, free speech impairments are strict scrutiny.
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The gov't can legally throw people in jail for no reason in times of rebellion.
Naomi Wolfe loves this.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Well then, it should be as simple as appointing another zaar...
...PS-Naomi Wolfe is an idiot!
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Wolfe
Wolfe hears hoof beats in Central Park and thinks government conspiracy to breed killer horses.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
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....who are the moderators now days...
?
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein
Just me
I think. Stiney posted a comment saying he was removing his name, and Spiritual Lefty must have also taken his own name off the list.
...we're in good hands then...
;-)
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein