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Here's your open thread for Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.  I'm away doing some house and dogsitting for a family member, so I don't have too much time to check in this week.  I'll be back on Monday!

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Christian executed in NKorea

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea publicly executed a Christian woman last month for distributing the Bible, which is banned in the communist nation, South Korean activists said Friday.

Ri Hyon Ok, 33, was also accused of spying for South Korea and the United States and organizing dissidents. She was executed in the northwestern city of Ryongchon near the border with China on June 16, according to a report from an alliance of several dozen anti-North Korea groups.

Ri's parents, husband and three children were sent to a political prison camp in the northeastern city of Hoeryong the following day, the report said, citing unidentified documents it says were obtained from North Korea. It showed a copy of Ri's North Korean government-issued photo ID.

 

Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Violence against Christians in India

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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What? Are you comparing those to executing someone...

...for distributing books?

 

Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Just saying

India hands must be clean, a few states there only act like Christians shouldn't be citizens are the lowest class of citizens and then people not directed by the government use the Christians as scapegoats and kill a couple dozen amid other acts of violence.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Sure took them long enough...but...

 

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 30% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-eight percent (38%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8 (see trends).

Just 25% believe that the economic stimulus package has helped the economy .

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Today marks the first time his overall approval rating has ever fallen below 50% among Likely Voters nationwide. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.

...and thankfully there is this ...

USA Today/Gallup poll shows that 59% of Americans say President Obama’s proposals to address the major problems facing the country call for too much government spending, and 52% say Obama’s proposals call for too much expansion of government power.

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We welcome all the new arrivals to the realm of reality.

Make room, there are many more on their way! ;-)

  

Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Mmm hmm.

Sure sank Bush in '04 didn't it?  There was no lack of great dislike for that guy.

I'm glad Obama isn't pleasing everyone as much.  What needs to be done isn't likely to be popular.

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That makes two of us...

I'm glad Obama isn't pleasing everyone as much.

;-)

 

Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Ha ha ha!!

 "I'm glad Obama isn't pleasing everyone as much"

 

That's one hell of a laugh, especially since he's increased the number of US troops in Afghanistan from 47, 000 to 68, 000, we've got 130, 000 troops in Iraq, and Afghan refugees are streaming over into Pakistan, the economy is still tanking, unemployment is still rampant, people're still losing their homes, jobs, etc., and the health care plan that he's got for passing isn't so great.

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It's not conservative, it's irresponsible

Headscratcin' Political News from Texas.

 Kay Baily Hutchison slams Gov. Perry for not taking the stimulus funds that she voted against! 

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/...

 

U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison today knocked Gov. Rick Perry for not accepting federal stimulus dollars to expand unemployment benefits, signaling that she’s ready to start fighting Perry on issues head-on.

Hutchison, who is running against Perry in the 2010 Republican primary, issued a statement to the American-Statesman calling the governor’s rejection of unemployment dollars irresponsible.

Hutchison is quoted as saying, that Perry's decision, that rated high on the popularity scale with the teabaggers, was 'not conservative, it was irresponsible'.

 Did Gov. Perry raid the unemployment fund to pay off Texas state debt because he refused to take the Economic Recovery $$$?? Now he has to beg for a loan from the Feds to pay unemployment claims?

 Texas ranks last or almost last in many comparative studies in the nation. But is the 'freedom index' high in the land of everything Large?

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Texas+Ranks+Last+in+...

 In related news Bobby Jindal who slammed the Federal Stimulus as the heigth of irresponsibility was seen, in local districts of Louisiana bragging about the stimulus money that was being spent to 'help' the local economy.

 

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Gov. Perry's Line Item Secession???

 Rick Perry thinks he has a constitutional right as Governor to reject any Nationalized Health Care Plan being shoved on his state.

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-does-rick-perry-think-health-care...

Gov. Rick Perry, raising the specter of a showdown with the Obama administration, suggested Thursday that he would consider invoking states’ rights protections under the 10th Amendment to resist the president’s healthcare plan, which he said would be "disastrous" for Texas.

But I’m certainly willing and ready for the fight if this administration continues to try to force their very expansive government philosophy down our collective throats."

 

 I wonder IF Gov Perry understands that infectious diseases are colorblind and have no borders, which is in part why health care is important. It is also important to have a healthy, happy working population that can contribute to the state and it's coffers which need at least a bare minimum of working tax dollars to provide some sort of reasonable state services.

  Does Gov. Perry realize that  if his children were exposed to say, tuberculosis from some 'dirty illegal Mexican', or some worthless lazy welfare case... does he think that means that if he denies health care to illegals his kids won't get sick, because they are constitutionally  states rights protected from getting an infectious disease? 

 Balkanizing Texas might not be enough protection to save your political ass Mr. Perry.

 

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At the very least

If Scalia thinks some modern hippie that grows one marijuana plant for personal use, falls under interstate trade. Then surely health care should more than easily fall way under interstate trade to that ilk.
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Does Perry not think health care would fall under interstate trade less than illegal drugs? If yes, does Perry feel proud about using Federal money enforcing what is really in his mind a state's issue on easy to grow drugs?

If no; Does Perry think the Feds can step on All states toes if the great state of Texas gives passive permission to Federal Gov't encroachment?

I'm looking forward to Perry freeing anyone locked up in his great state solely on Fed drug charges, due to his constitutional right.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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You betcha

 People should stop the hysteronics about the Federal Stimulus and start worrying about the unemployment rates in their states. State revenues are dropping off as jobs are lost creating even more problems for state budgets at a time when demand for state expenditures is going up.

 Many companies are in a position of laying people off, so they can afford to provide health insurance  to their remaining employees. In other words monies that could be paid out in higher wages, goes to the insurance industry.

The upper middle class pays $250 less in Federal taxes, and their health insurance costs have gone up $5,000 in the last eight years.

 Do the math. Is it the government that's coming after your wallet, or the private health insurance industry?

 

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Hmmmm....interesting question:.

 

This:

 "Is it the government that's coming after your wallet, or the private health insurance industry?"

is an interesting question.  I'd say it's a combination of both myself.

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It's just this sort basic economic ignorance BO demonstrates...

... most of the time he opens his mouth off teleprompter that blows my mind.

From Breitbart:

“UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.” -- Barack Obama , Aug. 11, 2009

No institution has been the butt of more government- inefficiency jokes than the U.S. Postal Service. Maybe the Department of Motor Vehicles.

The only way the post office can stay in business is its government subsidy. The USPS lost $2.4 billion in the quarter ended in June and projects a net loss of $7 billion in fiscal 2009, outstanding debt of more than $10 billion and a cash shortfall of $1 billion. It was moved to intensive care -- the Government Accountability Office’s list of “high risk” cases - - last month and told to shape up. (It must be the only entity that hasn’t cashed in on TARP!)

That didn’t stop President Barack Obama from holding up the post office as an example at a town hall meeting in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, last week.

When Obama compared the post office to UPS and FedEx, he was clearly hoping to assuage voter concerns about a public health-care option undercutting and eliminating private insurance.

What he did instead was conjure up visions of long lines and interminable waits. Why do we need or want a health-care system that works like the post office?

What’s more, if the USPS is struggling to compete with private companies, as Obama implied, why introduce a government health-care option that would operate at the same disadvantage?

Obama Unscripted

These are just two of the questions someone listening to the president’s health-insurance reform roadshow might want to ask.

Impromptu Obamanomics is getting scarier by the day. For all the president’s touted intelligence, his un-teleprompted comments reveal a basic misunderstanding of capitalist principles.

For example, asked at the Portsmouth town hall how private insurance companies can compete with the government, the president said the following:

“If the private insurance companies are providing a good bargain, and if the public option has to be self-sustaining -- meaning taxpayers aren’t subsidizing it, but it has to run on charging premiums and providing good services and a good network of doctors, just like any other private insurer would do -- then I think private insurers should be able to compete.”

Self-sustaining? The public option? What has Obama been doing during those daily 40-minute economic briefings coordinated by uber-economic-adviser, Larry Summers ?

Capitalism Explained

Government programs aren’t self-sustaining by definition. They’re subsidized by the taxpayer. If they were self-financed, we’d be off the hook.

Llewellyn Rockwell Jr ., chairman of the Ludwig von Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama, and editor of LewRockwell.com, put it this way in an Aug. 13 commentary on Mises.org :

“The only reason for a government service is precisely to provide financial support for an operation that is otherwise unsustainable, or else there would be no point in the government’s involvement at all.”

 

Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Crocodile tears

“The only reason for a government service is precisely to provide financial support for an operation that is otherwise unsustainable, or else there would be no point in the government’s involvement at all.”

And that's the point here, actually.

Coverage for catastrophic and age-related health care, as it exists today, IS unsustainable.   There's no way that the average American can save the minimum amount currently estimated one will need at retirement to pay for one's healthcare premiums, out of pocket expenses, and medications (last I read, somewhere above a quarter of a million dollars).   That's on top of what one should be saving to provide food, clothing, and shelter, too.

Ditto for catastrophic health care.

If the heathcare industry had been better stewards of their market instead of trying to wring every last cent out of it, this may have never come to pass.  For example, they bemoan the lack of consistency in filing paperwork among various insurance carriers and how much that costs them.   Well, what was preventing them from imposing industry standards 10 years ago?  The answer: they didn't care, because they can push the cost of their inefficient operations back onto their customers.  

Obama and the Democratic Party ran on healthcare reform.  That they are persuing it should come as no surprise to anyone.   Neither should the fact that what we will get out of it will be expensive, unsatisfactory to many, skewed towards rewarding their campaign contributors, and make for a hellish transition.

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You are correct madam...

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Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Maybe that has to do

with the nature of healthcare vs. other economic sectors? 

There are huge transitional costs in healthcare to standardizing forms, procedures and practices.  That's why doctors are still filing out written charts and having archivists type them up overnight.

Other industrialized countries have all found a way to do it without bankrupting themselves.  We should aim to provide the same quality of care as France does with the same % of GDP.  Is that so hard?

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No, it's not that hard

But it's not easy, either.    And certainly not with the kind of folks we have in Washington.

Hunter over at Daily Kos summarizes it well:

It seems absolutely assured that there is no American problem or catastrophe that will not be dealt with by our government by lavish, staggering public giveaways to the very corporations most directly responsible for the problem.  [snip]

So it should have been transparently obvious from the outset that the only response our glorious and wizened Senate could come up with, when facing a failed healthcare system that has been steadily bankrupting the country, its businesses and its citizens for decades, would be to invent a solution in which the companies most responsible for the problem would be given cash hand over fist.

I would add the corollary that whatever they come up with will also be unworkable and a giant bureaucratic nightmare for everyone.

I enjoy quoting Hunter on this because his liberal bona fides are unquestionable.  If I were to say such things, 'twould just be my "evil conservatism" showing ;-)  But, I do have to point out, that his first sentence is exactly the conservative/liberal position as to why it's not a great idea to get government directly and actively involved in everything that seems to be broken. 

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Thing is, the government

is already heavily involved in healthcare.  If there is a coherent position that healthcare should be exclusively private, conservatives and libertarians are not making it.

The assumption that government-run healthcare will be a beaurocratic mess makes several logic leaps:

- That there exists an uncomplicated, efficient way to deliver large-scale healthcare that is sensitive enough to demand and supply forces;

- That widely acknowledged government performance in other areas (the military, nuclear power regulation, highway systems) should be disregarded while we must take overly complicated tax forms and long lines at the DMV as important predictors;

- That whatever resutling "mess" would be less preferable than the current well-documented mess that not only makes you fill out needless paperwork but can make you bankrupt.

I believe that mistrust of government is healthy, as long as it is measured against social imperitives and one is willing to distinguish between the performance of different administrations.  Is FEMA a well-run government program?  Well, depends on whether it's run by James Lee Witt or Michael Brown.

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Oh Gee, this isn't Orwellian or anything, now is it...

Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt ), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.

The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

More here ...

 

Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Too much Centralized power ain't good

Probably not best to shift control of somethings into positions that are pretty much directly controlled by a party...but if it's abused, they should be impeached and removed regardless of who might, or might not have authority.
I think fears of a burning down the Reichstag might be far fetched.
The Constitutionality of the law is suspect, free speech impairments are strict scrutiny.

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The gov't can legally throw people in jail for no reason in times of rebellion.

Naomi Wolfe loves this.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Well then, it should be as simple as appointing another zaar...

...PS-Naomi Wolfe is an idiot!

 

Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Wolfe

Wolfe hears hoof beats in Central Park and thinks government conspiracy to breed killer horses.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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removed due to violation of site rules

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....who are the moderators now days...

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Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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Just me

I think.  Stiney posted a comment saying he was removing his name, and Spiritual Lefty must have also taken his own name off the list.

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...we're in good hands then...

;-)

Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds...~ A. Einstein

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